Why do Mexicans hate their ancestors?

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Sirius

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Jul 16, 2013
 

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Oh....geeesh..! mexibaboso youth have enough troubles without hating their abuelos because they passed on the burro and baboso gene...and now the author of the article wants mexibabosos to believe they have the " Desert Sand Flea Gene " mexibabosos have enough trouble improving their image.....
Hey,... that is the difference between Spaniards and Mexicans.

Spaniards hate the cultural and genetic legacy of Moors and even get violent if one talks about it.

On the other hand, we Mexicans have no problem to accept it... along with our Amerindian (i.e. "Asian"), European and other roots.

Maybe the "Mojados" will feel it as a "secret to be kept" to supposedly didn't attract more fire from rightwing groups in the USA.

But we, Mexicans in México, love our intellectual liberty, to cherish and awe to our Past. And we don't care two sh*ts what anybody else think about it.

But actually, the connection Mexico-Arabs, recent or ancient, is not the most interesting. I think the most interesting is the connection Mexicans-Filipinos, in which Mexicans are responsible for a great deal of Filipino culture... and we modern Mexicans barely know anything about it. That is really surprising and interesting.

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Sirius

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Jul 16, 2013
 
Eduardo wrote:
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Thank you, Mojado!
I am sure this will help dispel once and for all any doubt that Mexico and U.S.A. are friends and therefore make it clear that we couldn't possibly support U.S. interventionism in the Middle East.
Somehow I decry the mentioning of US Interventionism and Iraq in a thread like this (altough, hell, the theme started with that, isn't it?)

In Wikipedia there is a series of articles "X (country) relations with Y (country)". The corresponding of Mexico and USA is this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93U...

... first of all, I will say that compared with other articles (e.g. Mexico relations with other countries) this entry is very sub-standard. You will see that "El Porfiriato" and "1930-1945" are EMPTY. I don't know if it is because there is lack of interest in them (or in the article in general: it is evident), or it is that Mexicans and US writers do not agree on what to put... their own versions.

What it is interesting, is the way the article starts, with I think very unpolite und somehow blunt asserssions on how the relations go...
Mexico–United States relations refers to the foreign relations between Mexico and the United States of America. The two countries share a maritime and land border in North America. Several treaties have been concluded between the two nations bilaterally, such as the Gadsden Purchase, and multilaterally, such as the North American Free Trade Agreement. Both are members of various international organizations, including the Organization of American States and the United Nations.

The two countries have close economic ties, being each other's first and third largest trading partners. They are also closely connected demographically, with over one million U.S. citizens living in Mexico and Mexico being the largest source of immigrants to the United States. Illegal immigration and illegal trade in drugs and in fire arms have been causes of differences but also of cooperation.

While condemning the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and providing considerable relief aid to the U.S. after Hurricane Katrina, the Mexican government, pursuing neutrality in international affairs, opted not to actively join the controversial War on Terror and the even more controversial Iraqi War, instead being the first nation in history to formally and voluntarily leave the Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance in 2002,[1] though Mexico later joined the U.S. in supporting military intervention in the Libyan civil war.[2]

According to a 2010 Gallup poll, 44% of surveyed Mexicans, roughly 6.2 million people, say that they would move permanently to the United States if given the chance,[3] and according to the 2012 U.S. Global Leadership Report, 37% of Mexicans approve of U.S. leadership, with 27% disapproving and 36% uncertain.[4]
Of course, the last numbers given "44% will go to the USA when given the chance" is offensive to Mexicans (at least, for some Mexicans). Is it true? I didn't made the poll and don't know its methodological validity. Who were interviewed, from which región of the country, from with income level?

I WANT to believe, that it is not truth, and even give myself pretty convincing arguments about it.

But of course that is not the subject to be discussed in this theme...
Sirius

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Jul 16, 2013
 
It is evident that the participation (or rather, non participation) of Mexico in the "War on Terror" or refusal to agree with the invasion of Iraq is given much importance in the article.

Is it important? I think it is.

For the part of the USA it WAS viewed (I remember well) as a kind of "treason" from Mexico, in a moment where (like today) there was the discussion of a legalization of illegals in the USA. I believe that the USA expected something like an "eagerness" - Columbia type, Cuban exile type - from the part of Mexico, to go against all real or purported "enemy of America/Freedom/Democracy, etcétera".

From the part of Mexicans like me, it was the right thing to do. I reproach Vicente Fox A LOT of things, but I could say, that this very simple fact of not offering a lip service to a war of aggression, didn't robbed my pride of being a Mexican.

I think that Mexico and the USA entered in things like NAFTA and then the purported "big friendship between Fox and Bush" (too ignorants) without analysing all the possible scenarios that could be presented. I speculate.

Of course, there were Mexicans that advocated to give the Americans all what they wanted in that occasion... and even claimed (I don't know if it is true) that the project of the fence in the border was created in that moment.

The fact, is that this Mexicans that advocated not only to give lip service to the war of aggression against Iraq, and if possible actually sending troops, were the kind of Mexicans that admire narcotraffickers, were in its remarks even more racist and hateful against Irakis, and more mendacious that Collin Powell and its "Weapons of mass destruction". Very loathsome people.

So I believe that this episode is REALLY very important, but not because it meant something about the US - Mexico relationship. It true meaning its the relationship of Mexico with itself...

And of course, the war in Iraq is also important in the relationship of the USA with itself. But I am not American, and cannot judge its true meaning on that, be it economical, geopolitical or moral.

Mexico went out UNSCATHED from this episode of history, from my point of view. The Wall in the border for me, means nothing, in any case.

Well, it is difficult to delve in this limited space and time about it. But I hope that I could give a hint of my feeling. But sadly I cannot tell if my feeling was much generalized among valuable Mexicans. I know that garbage Mexicans thought very different from me... I guess that that is something.

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Ghaznavi the Great

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Jul 17, 2013
 
Mexicans make up 8.7% of the miltary personnel in Afghanistan.
I don't need physchiatric help, Here's evidence see for yourselves!
U.S. Mexican military in Afghanistan War
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Eduardo

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Jul 17, 2013
 
Ghaznavi the Great wrote:
Mexicans make up 8.7% of the miltary personnel in Afghanistan.
I don't need physchiatric help, Here's evidence see for yourselves!
U.S. Mexican military in Afghanistan War
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
You say you don't need psychiatric help but your posts show the opposite.

So what do you think of all those Muslims in the U.S. forces or the Muslim countries supporting the U.S. presence in the Middle East like the Albanians, for example?
Sirius

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Jul 17, 2013
 
Ghaznavi, nobody is saying you are crazy (yet) but... have you not been Reading what we say all along?

There is a lot of Mexican-Americans in Afghanistan, because the USA is its country. Some person of Mexican origin, probably a soldier there, put that video.

Probably you will find similar videos of African-Americans, Polish-Americans, German-Americans, Irish-Americans, you name it, that take pride of serving there.

Haven't you been Reading that there are even Muslim Americans serving in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Mexico and the USA are two different and distinct contries, each with its own foreign policy.

Mexico as SOVERAIGN STATE, as a COUNTRY, has not been involved either in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere in Eurasia.

Please, either you could mentally process this I am posting now, or I am afraid that your intelectual prestige is going to godown very fast, from now own.

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Sirius

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Jul 17, 2013
 
What is more,@Ghaznavi... why don't you read the comments and see the reception this video have on some Americans?

You will not that are not Iraqis or Afghans being insulted there.

I don't take it, because no Mexican soldier (in its acception of Soldier of the United Mexican States) have operated in Iraq or Afghanistan. I don't know in which words I should express that.

I will just give up on time. All that have to be said, is been said.

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Ask A Mojado

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Jul 17, 2013
 
Mojados hate the big noses, hanging double barrigas, flabby nalgotas, hairy fundio's, egg shaped heads, Tyranasaurus baby arms, hairy sovaco's, hairy legs, tiny pito's, and hairy smelly tortas....
Sirius

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Jul 17, 2013
 
Now I feel entitled to answer the insults of Ghaznavi in his first post:

It is a pitty that an interesting theme like this, ends suddenly and wrecks, because he cannot give but idiotic answers, instead of an intelligent response that motivates its continuation.
Ghaznavi the Great

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Jul 17, 2013
 
Eduardo wrote:
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You say you don't need psychiatric help but your posts show the opposite.
So what do you think of all those Muslims in the U.S. forces or the Muslim countries supporting the U.S. presence in the Middle East like the Albanians, for example?
Firstly Afghanistan isn't in the middle East it's in South central Asia, Iraq is in the middle East.
Albania is a corrupt country, it's not the citizens fault but the government's.
Ghaznavi the Great

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Jul 17, 2013
 
Sirius wrote:
Ghaznavi, nobody is saying you are crazy (yet) but... have you not been Reading what we say all along?
There is a lot of Mexican-Americans in Afghanistan, because the USA is its country. Some person of Mexican origin, probably a soldier there, put that video.
Probably you will find similar videos of African-Americans, Polish-Americans, German-Americans, Irish-Americans, you name it, that take pride of serving there.
Haven't you been Reading that there are even Muslim Americans serving in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Mexico and the USA are two different and distinct contries, each with its own foreign policy.
Mexico as SOVERAIGN STATE, as a COUNTRY, has not been involved either in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere in Eurasia.
Please, either you could mentally process this I am posting now, or I am afraid that your intelectual prestige is going to godown very fast, from now own.
Regards.
There's not many muslim American's serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the ones that are don't commit atrocities like murder and rape of innocent civilians like true Americans do.
I wasn't blaming Mexico I was talking about Mexican Americans serving in Afghanistan and Iraq, and there's a LOT of them.
Ghaznavi the Great

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Jul 17, 2013
 
Ask A Mojado wrote:
Mojados hate the big noses, hanging double barrigas, flabby nalgotas, hairy fundio's, egg shaped heads, Tyranasaurus baby arms, hairy sovaco's, hairy legs, tiny pito's, and hairy smelly tortas....
Hey don't be mean!
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Jul 17, 2013
 
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Firstly Afghanistan isn't in the middle East it's in South central Asia, Iraq is in the middle East.
Albania is a corrupt country, it's not the citizens fault but the government's.

I wasn't blaming Mexico I was talking about Mexican Americans serving in Afghanistan and Iraq, and there's a LOT of them.
Afghanistan is in South Central Asia but this thread is about the Arabs, go come from the Middle East.

Sounds like a selective bias to me. Why don't you go to the Albanian forums to see what they actually think about the non-European Muslims.
Eduardo

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Jul 17, 2013
 
*who come from the Middle East.
Sirius

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Jul 17, 2013
 
Ghaznavi the Great wrote:
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I wasn't blaming Mexico I was talking about Mexican Americans serving in Afghanistan and Iraq, and there's a LOT of them.
OK, at least we know now that you are sensible after all.

Yes, there are many Mexican-Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan and other US current and past interventions.

I have to say, that they also act when the USA invade countries in Latin America (e.g. Panamá, Dominican Republic, etc.)

I guess that orgin, religión, or whatever do not influence much their decission to follow orders and go to anywhere they are ordered to go, isn't it?

What the Mexican-American soldiers do in those places, is not my concern. It will be desirable that they do not behave ideologically influenced or commit excesses that could predispose other peoples against "Mexicans" (here and there).

If you understand that Mexico did made an effort for peace, that Mexico as a State, do NOT have anything against the Muslim countries, I am more than satisfied, and I will be very glad that you bring up this subject.

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Ghaznavi

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Jul 18, 2013
 
Eduardo wrote:
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Afghanistan is in South Central Asia but this thread is about the Arabs, go come from the Middle East.
Sounds like a selective bias to me. Why don't you go to the Albanian forums to see what they actually think about the non-European Muslims.
Albanians wouldn't support the US, I have Albanian Muslim Friends and they hate America.
Ghaznavi

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Jul 18, 2013
 
Sirius wrote:
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OK, at least we know now that you are sensible after all.
Yes, there are many Mexican-Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan and other US current and past interventions.
I have to say, that they also act when the USA invade countries in Latin America (e.g. Panamá, Dominican Republic, etc.)
I guess that orgin, religión, or whatever do not influence much their decission to follow orders and go to anywhere they are ordered to go, isn't it?
What the Mexican-American soldiers do in those places, is not my concern. It will be desirable that they do not behave ideologically influenced or commit excesses that could predispose other peoples against "Mexicans" (here and there).
If you understand that Mexico did made an effort for peace, that Mexico as a State, do NOT have anything against the Muslim countries, I am more than satisfied, and I will be very glad that you bring up this subject.
Regards.
Interesting!
I agree it's not the fault of Mexico as a state but generally Mexican Americans.
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Jul 20, 2013
 

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See Ghaznavi,

I agree with you that Mexicans are rude.

Look at how they treat you on this blog.

Mexicans are inferior to other races. Period!

No respect, just judgement. That is the Mexican way.
Eduardo

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Jul 20, 2013
 
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See Ghaznavi,
I agree with you that Mexicans are rude.
Look at how they treat you on this blog.
Mexicans are inferior to other races. Period!
No respect, just judgement. That is the Mexican way.
I agree, we should be posting conciliatory statements like the ones you are posting:

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/mexico/TKAC1...
Ghaznavi

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Jul 20, 2013
 
2182013abcd wrote:
See Ghaznavi,
I agree with you that Mexicans are rude.
Look at how they treat you on this blog.
Mexicans are inferior to other races. Period!
No respect, just judgement. That is the Mexican way.
Well I've just read your comments on another thread and you're not the one to talk, you HYPOCRITE YOU PIG!

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