Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return

Full story: Santa Cruz Sentinel

After going months without a full-time job, Daniel Ramirez has decided it's time to return to family in Mexico.

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It's getting bad in the US when people are choosing Mexico over the US.

(I'm not defending ILLEGAL immigration, just pointing out an issue in the US).

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WOW! Miracles do happen! Merry Christmas to you all!
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Matt -- York PA wrote:
It's getting bad in the US when people are choosing Mexico over the US.
(I'm not defending ILLEGAL immigration, just pointing out an issue in the US).
Invaders are choosing to go home.
who cares.
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As Libertarians have been saying for decades: the economy automatically regulates the flow of immigrants. When we NEED more people, it is good that they come. When we DON'T need more people, the level of wages and the availability of jobs make that situation clear, also, and, as this report demonstrates, people pay attention to the signals. If we made it easier for people to come here peacefully for work purposes and return to their foreign homes (even as close as Mexico), we would probably see a lot fewer establish long-term or permanent residence here. Also, if we divested ourselves of welfare-state programs, the magnetic attraction to immigrants of the mooching persuasion -- not to mention moochers among our own citizenry -- would be lessened. People would still come here, most seeking freedom and opportunity, some seeking citizenship, but everyone -- citizen and immigrant alike -- would have to pull his or her own weight or rely on charity. That's a better way to organize society than creating institutions of government largess, which can only give to some by taking away from the rest. Charity must be voluntary, from the heart.
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James Anderson Merritt wrote:
As Libertarians have been saying for decades: the economy automatically regulates the flow of immigrants. When we NEED more people, it is good that they come. When we DON'T need more people, the level of wages and the availability of jobs make that situation clear, also, and, as this report demonstrates, people pay attention to the signals. If we made it easier for people to come here peacefully for work purposes and return to their foreign homes (even as close as Mexico), we would probably see a lot fewer establish long-term or permanent residence here. Also, if we divested ourselves of welfare-state programs, the magnetic attraction to immigrants of the mooching persuasion -- not to mention moochers among our own citizenry -- would be lessened. People would still come here, most seeking freedom and opportunity, some seeking citizenship, but everyone -- citizen and immigrant alike -- would have to pull his or her own weight or rely on charity. That's a better way to organize society than creating institutions of government largess, which can only give to some by taking away from the rest. Charity must be voluntary, from the heart.
If, if, if-get real
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James Anderson Merritt wrote:
As Libertarians have been saying for decades: the economy automatically regulates the flow of immigrants. When we NEED more people, it is good that they come. When we DON'T need more people, the level of wages and the availability of jobs make that situation clear, also, and, as this report demonstrates, people pay attention to the signals. If we made it easier for people to come here peacefully for work purposes and return to their foreign homes (even as close as Mexico), we would probably see a lot fewer establish long-term or permanent residence here. Also, if we divested ourselves of welfare-state programs, the magnetic attraction to immigrants of the mooching persuasion -- not to mention moochers among our own citizenry -- would be lessened. People would still come here, most seeking freedom and opportunity, some seeking citizenship, but everyone -- citizen and immigrant alike -- would have to pull his or her own weight or rely on charity. That's a better way to organize society than creating institutions of government largess, which can only give to some by taking away from the rest. Charity must be voluntary, from the heart.
First of all, it isn't the economy that regulates the flow, it's loose borders. Tighten the borders, less flow. This has proven out at the San Diego border. Second, we don't need more illegals. I guess you being a Libertarian, it shouldnt' surprise me you didn't refer to them as what they really are, criminals.I agree , we do have moochers here in our country, but they're Americans and they belong here, at least they have that going for them.If you Libertarians are so concerned about the illegals, move to Mexico.
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when you come ack decide to live the American way, speak English and pay taxes like the rest of us so you too feel that you can fight for your rights, if you live under the spot light in hiding you will never experience being American!
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How many people actually think this is really happening?
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I do believe there is a Santa Claus.
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James Anderson Merritt wrote:
As Libertarians have been saying for decades: the economy automatically regulates the flow of immigrants. When we NEED more people, it is good that they come. When we DON'T need more people, the level of wages and the availability of jobs make that situation clear, also, and, as this report demonstrates, people pay attention to the signals. If we made it easier for people to come here peacefully for work purposes and return to their foreign homes (even as close as Mexico), we would probably see a lot fewer establish long-term or permanent residence here. Also, if we divested ourselves of welfare-state programs, the magnetic attraction to immigrants of the mooching persuasion -- not to mention moochers among our own citizenry -- would be lessened. People would still come here, most seeking freedom and opportunity, some seeking citizenship, but everyone -- citizen and immigrant alike -- would have to pull his or her own weight or rely on charity. That's a better way to organize society than creating institutions of government largess, which can only give to some by taking away from the rest. Charity must be voluntary, from the heart.
Ideology can be a dangerous thing, responsible for much of human suffering. Those who would form immigration policies based on an imagined world do us a disservice. We live in a welfare state that isn't going away and those in charge implement land use policies incompatible with mass immigration driven population growth. Shouldn't the later be changed before you venture into the world of open borders?
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Pluses-
Freeways will be far less crowded
State Welfare rolls will be down
Emergency Rooms will have people in them that require real emergency care, not a regular doctor's visit.
Schools will have less crowding.
Unemployment will be down.
Donations to the poor will be for folks that are home grown.
Employee wages will go up in certain jobs.
Fewer people at the "thieves" markets.

Minuses
Higher prices for certain services
Car makers will be looking for their cars that have not been paid for.
More homes repoed on the market.
Fewer people at the "thieves" markets.
Less sales tax revenue.
Certainly less beer sales.
Give some time for the government to come up with a real immigration plan, if they want to.

Like most things in life, there is no free lunch. There will be some people hurt by a mass migration and some people helped. All in all, I would think that it will be a benefit.
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If anything it will rid this country of people who don't want to be here in the first place. To them Estados Unitas is just a paycheck and for some of them an opportunity to get on the take with the social benefits programs. What we need is Work permit program for the things Americans won't do like pick crops or other manual labor. This way they come for 6 months then leave and a new group can come in and keep rotating. The other 25 million will go back home to Mexico.

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<quoted text>That's an insult to all Rabbits.
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! Now that's funny.

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huh wrote:
why does evry 1 hate mexicans. they come usually come here to start new lives and have a better life for themselves and their children. And not all of the mexicans are criminals. The ones that are should be deported cause our country **** up as is but the ones that WANT to have a better life should have that. They probably do the work u wont do and do things you cant. Its better if they try to get their green card first so they wont complain about being deported and to the illegals thats been here should go for their citizenship rather than avoiding ICE or I.N.S.
There is a lot of stuff I want too. So it's OK for me to break the law and rob a bank so I can have it? YeeHaw!

Legal citizens did "the work u wont do" until illegals overran this country and drove wages down to "their" level.

Shame on illegals and those who hire them.
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commenter2001 wrote:
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For once I agree with you!
WOW that has to be a 1st.!!
Maybe there is hope after all....LOL
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Jose Como Va wrote:
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No sarcasm intended, but did you fail a spelling test, or word test, or something? And your teacher is making you spell these same words over and over again so you will be prepared for your next test, and be able to pass it?
I remember being punished like that in grammar school. Didn't like it.
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huh wrote:
why does evry 1 hate mexicans. they come usually come here to start new lives and have a better life for themselves and their children. And not all of the mexicans are criminals. The ones that are should be deported cause our country **** up as is but the ones that WANT to have a better life should have that. They probably do the work u wont do and do things you cant. Its better if they try to get their green card first so they wont complain about being deported and to the illegals thats been here should go for their citizenship rather than avoiding ICE or I.N.S.
You are right about some of this. But you need to understand the DIFFERENCE between LEGAL Mexican(Any Immigrants)Immigrants and the 10-20 MILLION or MORE ILLEGALS who are in the country. Few people actually "Hate" Mexicans as you put it. But if you live in a Border City, hell most any city, we get tired of MILLIONS of our dollars in tax money, being given to support them. They get benefits that not even people who are born in the U.S. can get. And yes, whether they are Mexican, French whatever, when, if they come to OUR country LEGALLY and make a life for their families and themselves, then WE, most Americans don't have a problem with that. We just do not want to give OUR money to support them for life and all they really do is complain, because WE never give enough. It's always just more, more, more. So yes, we need NO tolerance laws, policies towards ILLEGALS. Enforcement needs to be increased everywhere and businesses that hire ILLEGALS need to be fined, arrested , put out of business if necessary. So if more of the ILLEGAL ones are going back to Mexico, it's about damn time.
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To sum it up if you fit the above I.D............ 6 return for the trip back home, 26 packing for the trip to the 'new world'
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WWW wrote:
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First of all, it isn't the economy that regulates the flow, it's loose borders. Tighten the borders, less flow. This has proven out at the San Diego border. Second, we don't need more illegals. I guess you being a Libertarian, it shouldnt' surprise me you didn't refer to them as what they really are, criminals.I agree , we do have moochers here in our country, but they're Americans and they belong here, at least they have that going for them.If you Libertarians are so concerned about the illegals, move to Mexico.
Are you considering the tunnels running under San Diego and other remote areas with Mexico? Easy for terrorists to use also.

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