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radzi

Kota Bharu, Malaysia

#441 Nov 18, 2010
Saiful wrote:
Alaupaya pengasas dinasti Kombaung di Burma dari bukannya kerajaan Sukhotai. Kerajaan Sukhotai telahpun wujud sebelum kerajaan Ayuthia. Setelah kejatuhan kerajaan Sukhotai maka wujud pula kerajaan Ayuthia sehingga dikalahkan oleh pengasas dinasti Kombaung dari Burma. Namun penguasaan dinasti kombaung ke atas Ayuthia tidak bertahan lama sehingga dikalahkan oleh Pya Taksin. Pya Taksin tidak mempunyai keturunan sehungga dihukum bunuh oleh pembesarnya sendiri dan digantikan oleh Rama 1 iaitu pengasas dinasti Chakri yang berkuasa sehungga kini.
The British used a tactic call "phony friends" and "phony opposition" in their politics of "adu-domba".

Alaungpaya was a mountain tribal leader that the British used to end the establishment (just like the American supporting the Afghan mujahiddin to attack Rusia) of the Taungoo Dynasty(remnant of Mon/Khmer civilization and ally to Ayuthayya). Alaungpaya killed hundreds of monks as well as hundreds of imams/muslim village leaders in the establishment of the Konbaung Dynasty in Myanmar.

While the British were shaking hands with Ayutthaya court members, they were promoting the Konbaung to join hands with their Thai-Kadai cousin the sleeping Lanna-Sokhothai Dynasty to join forces and attack the Mon-Khmer Ayutthaya. Since the British are already into Ayutthaya court, they made General Taksin army stay out of Ayutthaya during those attack. Upon the conquering & burning (of Ayutthaya) & for ONLY 6 months of Burmese occupation of Ayutthaya, Taksin then returned from Vietnam and chased the Konbaung out.

The British then create havoc (Machiavellian tactics) and replaced Taksin with Vietnamese blood Chakri to rule Ayutthaya.

Ayutthaya was opened by Mon/Khmer but the British switched power into Vietnamese blood King ruling the Tai-Kadai. Burma was annexed into British imeperialism and the Konbaung was the created mechanism.

Smart & cunning tactic that was the thumb print of "British Diplomacy"
Aman

Melaka, Malaysia

#442 Nov 18, 2010
radzi wrote:
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Kerana dok belajar sejarah ni saya tak percaya Melaka itu begitu gah seperti yang dipaksa "telan" di bangku sekolah.
Those text book history do not add!
Melaka memang gah. 100 tahun dah ada Empayar. Siapa sangka sebuah negeri yang tak banyak penduduk dan sumber boleh tubuh empayar sehingga negeri Kedah pun terpaksa berlutut dengan Melaka.
Aman

Melaka, Malaysia

#443 Nov 18, 2010
radzi wrote:
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Dalam text book Melaka di buka dalam tahun 1400AD & ended 1511AD.
Kedah had culture & blood ties with Ayuthiyya & why would Kedah be a vassal of a smaller and less than 100 yrs minute kingdom of Melaka that was crying for Chinese protection?
Refer text book, memang le 1400 Masehi. Muawiyah pun terpaksa membuat perjanjian dan memberi ufti kepada Kerajaan Byzantine ketika masih lemah (rujuk Hamka 1961). Tapi selepas 20 tahun je (tak sampai pun 100 tahun) dapat menubuhkan sebuah empayar dari Magribi (di bawah panglima Aqabah bin Nafi) hingga ke Bukhara (di bawah panglima Muhallab bin Abi Suffra).
Saiful

Melaka, Malaysia

#444 Nov 18, 2010
radzi wrote:
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The British used a tactic call "phony friends" and "phony opposition" in their politics of "adu-domba".
Alaungpaya was a mountain tribal leader that the British used to end the establishment (just like the American supporting the Afghan mujahiddin to attack Rusia) of the Taungoo Dynasty(remnant of Mon/Khmer civilization and ally to Ayuthayya). Alaungpaya killed hundreds of monks as well as hundreds of imams/muslim village leaders in the establishment of the Konbaung Dynasty in Myanmar.
While the British were shaking hands with Ayutthaya court members, they were promoting the Konbaung to join hands with their Thai-Kadai cousin the sleeping Lanna-Sokhothai Dynasty to join forces and attack the Mon-Khmer Ayutthaya. Since the British are already into Ayutthaya court, they made General Taksin army stay out of Ayutthaya during those attack. Upon the conquering & burning (of Ayutthaya) & for ONLY 6 months of Burmese occupation of Ayutthaya, Taksin then returned from Vietnam and chased the Konbaung out.
The British then create havoc (Machiavellian tactics) and replaced Taksin with Vietnamese blood Chakri to rule Ayutthaya.
Ayutthaya was opened by Mon/Khmer but the British switched power into Vietnamese blood King ruling the Tai-Kadai. Burma was annexed into British imeperialism and the Konbaung was the created mechanism.
Smart & cunning tactic that was the thumb print of "British Diplomacy"
Thanks. Menarik juga info ni. Artikel yang sebelum ni kebanyakan saya rujuk dari D.G.E Hall (History of South East Asia) 1955. Boleh Radzi berkongsi rujukan tentang info tersebut. Boleh jadikan bahan bacaan.
radzi

Kota Bharu, Malaysia

#445 Nov 19, 2010
Saiful wrote:
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Thanks. Menarik juga info ni. Artikel yang sebelum ni kebanyakan saya rujuk dari D.G.E Hall (History of South East Asia) 1955. Boleh Radzi berkongsi rujukan tentang info tersebut. Boleh jadikan bahan bacaan.
I prefer to counter refer to Islamic scholars opinions. I think the British and Western writers are the ones colonizing history with their twisted writings:

Cut/Paste from D.G.E. Hall pg12 e-book:

(a) The early relations of South-East Asia with India

THE term 'Hinduization' has been generally applied by scholars to
the impact of Indian culture upon South-East Asia. Cœdès goes so
far as to term the states which developed, under its influence les états
hindouisés, in spite of the fact that Buddhism played an important role
in the movement, and Theravada Buddhism 1 ultimately became the
dominant faith of Burma and Arakan, the T'ai states and Cambodia.
And whereas Hinduism disappeared before Islam in the Malay Penin-
sula and Indonesia at the end of the European Middle Ages, Buddhism
continued to receive the staunch, allegiance of the countries it had
conquered.

The application of so extended a meaning to the word 'Hindu' is
not without its dangers, since in the ordinary use of the terms 'Hindu'
and 'Buddhist' there is a clear distinction based upon real points of
difference. In the history of the two religions in South-East Asia,
however, it is not always easy to draw a clear dividing line between
them, especially in the case of Tantrayana Buddhism, which showed
marked Hindu features, and even at times, as in the cult of &#346;iva-
Buddha in thirteenth-century Java, defies exact classification. More-
over, even in states where Hinayana Buddhism1 prevailed, Brahmans
played an important ceremonial part, especially at Court, and still do
so in Burma, Siam and Cambodia, though themselves strikingly
different from their counterparts in India. In the present survey
some equivocation in the use of the term 'Hindu' may be unavoidable.
The context, however, will, it is hoped, prevent any confusion of
meaning.
radzi

Kota Bharu, Malaysia

#446 Nov 19, 2010
Saiful wrote:
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Thanks. Menarik juga info ni. Artikel yang sebelum ni kebanyakan saya rujuk dari D.G.E Hall (History of South East Asia) 1955. Boleh Radzi berkongsi rujukan tentang info tersebut. Boleh jadikan bahan bacaan.
First, from Islamic references, Hindu/Hind/Indus/Al-Hindi are originally geographical references and are not references for a religion or a language (Hindi)(Refer to Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics Vol.6, Ref.699).

The British were the first to confuse the masses by using the term Hindu or Hinduism in 1839AD to describe the religious practice of Kalinga/Orissa and of the remnant Chola Empire.(Refer New Encyclopedia of Britannica. Vol.20 Ref.581)

The image that we see on Angkor Wat and the Preah Vihear are not Hindusim but indeed Vedic....or "Vedic Dharma". Google please; You may come across latest western twist that "Dharma" (Some wrongly used the term "Karma" but "Karm" actually is just deed/work/amalan) but "Vedic Dharma" is indeed a religion.
radzi

Kota Bharu, Malaysia

#447 Nov 19, 2010
Aman wrote:
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Melaka memang gah. 100 tahun dah ada Empayar. Siapa sangka sebuah negeri yang tak banyak penduduk dan sumber boleh tubuh empayar sehingga negeri Kedah pun terpaksa berlutut dengan Melaka.
Kedah sebagai negeri Islam sudah terlebih awal bai'ah he Pasai & Acheh untuk Bai'ah ke Kerajaan Islam Munghal di India dan seterusnya ke Kalifah Islam di Baghdad.

Why would Kedah be a vassal of Melaka?

....because the British wanted to rewrite history so thay can erase the Islamic Bai'ah system. This ease the pathway to SEA colonization.
radzi

Kota Bharu, Malaysia

#448 Nov 19, 2010
Aman wrote:
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Refer text book, memang le 1400 Masehi. Muawiyah pun terpaksa membuat perjanjian dan memberi ufti kepada Kerajaan Byzantine ketika masih lemah (rujuk Hamka 1961). Tapi selepas 20 tahun je (tak sampai pun 100 tahun) dapat menubuhkan sebuah empayar dari Magribi (di bawah panglima Aqabah bin Nafi) hingga ke Bukhara (di bawah panglima Muhallab bin Abi Suffra).
Muawiyah built the Ummayad Dynasty with a lot of Islamic Bai'ah (Saidina Hassan RA also endorsed) in Sham/Syria.

2ndly, Syria was not "tempat anjing bertendang"; Syria had thousand years of history (Assyria Empire etc.) to built a new empire upon.

3rd. Syria Mediterranean weather and fertile land suitable for fruits and food production to support an empire.

Geographically, Melaka was too tiny with no local resources to support an Empire. If Melaka was an empire, Negeri Sembilan would have been united rather than being a 9 puak until the Bugis pointed fingers at them.
Saiful

Melaka, Malaysia

#449 Nov 20, 2010
radzi wrote:
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Muawiyah built the Ummayad Dynasty with a lot of Islamic Bai'ah (Saidina Hassan RA also endorsed) in Sham/Syria.
2ndly, Syria was not "tempat anjing bertendang"; Syria had thousand years of history (Assyria Empire etc.) to built a new empire upon.
3rd. Syria Mediterranean weather and fertile land suitable for fruits and food production to support an empire.
Geographically, Melaka was too tiny with no local resources to support an Empire. If Melaka was an empire, Negeri Sembilan would have been united rather than being a 9 puak until the Bugis pointed fingers at them.
Tak ada masalah dengan anjing bertendang. Boleh juga tubuh negeri. Pun tak ada masalah kalau tak ada sumber. Empayar Monggol dan Manchu pun tak ada sumber dan penduduk yang ramai tapi dapat menakluk China yang jauh lebih ramai penduduk dan sumber. Negeri sembilan adalah antara daerah-daerah yang membaiah Melaka termasuk Kedah.
Aman

Melaka, Malaysia

#450 Nov 20, 2010
radzi wrote:
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Melaka adalah tempat baru di buka Parameswara dalam tahun 1400 dan ditakluk Portugis dalam tahun 1511 (just 115 yrs).
Tahun berapa Melaka menakluk jajahan Indragiri? Kenapa sebuah bandar pelabuhan ingin menakluk Indragiri yang telah lama bertapak dan ada resources (manusia & makanan mainly) untuk bertahan. Dari manakah Melaka mengerah askar-askarnya?
Pada saya hanya dua paksi utama sekitar 1350-1600 AD di nusantara:
1. Majapahit di Pulau Jawa (ramai orang dan luas sawah padi subur)
2. Ayuthiyya: Kedah, Phatanni, Kra, Siam, Acheh, Pasai.(ramai orang & luas sawah padi)
Melaka was just a trading port.
Macam mana Indragiri sebahagian Melaka pun tak tahu. Kena baca lagi.
Saiful

Melaka, Malaysia

#451 Nov 20, 2010
Saiful wrote:
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Tak ada masalah dengan anjing bertendang. Boleh juga tubuh negeri. Pun tak ada masalah kalau tak ada sumber. Empayar Monggol dan Manchu pun tak ada sumber dan penduduk yang ramai tapi dapat menakluk China yang jauh lebih ramai penduduk dan sumber. Negeri sembilan adalah antara daerah-daerah yang membaiah Melaka termasuk Kedah.
Saiful yang mana satu ni?
Meong_Mahawangsi al

Surabaya, Indonesia

#452 Nov 20, 2010
Malaka was just a trading port, a city state. Not strong enough to be called an empire.

No Empire can be defeated in 40 days.. the Portuguese did it to Malaka with just a handful of soldiers.

In 15-16th century, Malaka was not the only rich kingdom in Nusantara.

In the east, The Sultanate of Ternate ruled bigger territories than Melaka. At it's height, it roughly encompassed 1/3 of what is now Indonesia.

It was a very rich and probably richer than Malaka was, as Ternate was the only producer of then-the-black-gold, Cloves and Nutmegs in the world. Cloves and Nutmegs of that era is as precious as oil today.

Sultan Khairun of Ternate defeated the Portuguese and forced them to a treaty. Portuguese violated the treaty and killed the sultan in a banquet.

Khairun's son, Baabullah of Ternate (1570-1583) take revenge and successfully expelled the Portuguese out of his realm.. Dutch and Spanish historians wrote that Baabullah ruled over 72 vassal kingdoms.. Now, that is an empire.
Saiful

Melaka, Malaysia

#453 Nov 20, 2010
Saiful wrote:
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Saiful yang mana satu ni?
Saje je menyamar.
Saiful

Melaka, Malaysia

#454 Nov 20, 2010
Meong_Mahawangsial wrote:
Malaka was just a trading port, a city state. Not strong enough to be called an empire.
No Empire can be defeated in 40 days.. the Portuguese did it to Malaka with just a handful of soldiers.
In 15-16th century, Malaka was not the only rich kingdom in Nusantara.
In the east, The Sultanate of Ternate ruled bigger territories than Melaka. At it's height, it roughly encompassed 1/3 of what is now Indonesia.
It was a very rich and probably richer than Malaka was, as Ternate was the only producer of then-the-black-gold, Cloves and Nutmegs in the world. Cloves and Nutmegs of that era is as precious as oil today.
Sultan Khairun of Ternate defeated the Portuguese and forced them to a treaty. Portuguese violated the treaty and killed the sultan in a banquet.
Khairun's son, Baabullah of Ternate (1570-1583) take revenge and successfully expelled the Portuguese out of his realm.. Dutch and Spanish historians wrote that Baabullah ruled over 72 vassal kingdoms.. Now, that is an empire.
Ya betul, Kesultanan Ternate sememangnya kuat dan dapat mengalahkan Portugis. Pada hal pada sebelumnya terdapat beberapa kerajaan Islam yang telah tewas di tangan Portugis seperti penaklukan Portugis ke atas pelabuhan Hormuz di Iran, Muscat di Oman, Pulau Scotra di Yaman.

Bangsa Eropah pertama ke Maluku adalah Portugis, pada tahun 1512. Pada waktu itu 2 armada Portugis, masing-masing dibawah pimpinan Anthony d'Abreu dan Fransisco Serau, mendarat di Kepulauan Banda dan Kepulauan Penyu. Setelah mereka menjalin persahabatan dengan penduduk dan raja-raja setempat - seperti dengan Kerajaan Ternate di pulau Ternate, Portugis diberi izin untuk mendirikan benteng di Pikaoli, begitupula Negeri Hitu lama, dan Mamala di Pulau Ambon.Namun hubungan dagang rempah-rempah ini tidak berlangsung lama, karena Portugis menerapkan sistem monopoli sekaligus melakukan penyebaran agama Kristen.

Persahabatan Portugis dan Ternate berakhir pada tahun 1570. Peperangan dengan Sultan Babullah selama 5 tahun (1570-1575), membuat Portugis berundur ke Kesultanan Tidore (saudara kepada kesultanan Ternate), dan Ambon. Mereka seterusnya dapat mempengaruhi pemerintahan Kesutanan Tidore dan Bacan.

Namun tiada pula kedengaran Portugis cuba peperangan antara Kedah dan Portugis. Ini kerana Kedah baru sahaja memeluk Islam pada 1501 dari seorang yang bernama Syaekh Abdullah pada ketika itu di bawah pemerintahan Pra Ong Maha Wangsa.
Aman

Melaka, Malaysia

#455 Nov 20, 2010
radzi wrote:
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Muawiyah built the Ummayad Dynasty with a lot of Islamic Bai'ah (Saidina Hassan RA also endorsed) in Sham/Syria.
2ndly, Syria was not "tempat anjing bertendang"; Syria had thousand years of history (Assyria Empire etc.) to built a new empire upon.
3rd. Syria Mediterranean weather and fertile land suitable for fruits and food production to support an empire.
Geographically, Melaka was too tiny with no local resources to support an Empire. If Melaka was an empire, Negeri Sembilan would have been united rather than being a 9 puak until the Bugis pointed fingers at them.
Sungai Ujong menjadi Milik Tun Perak, Bendahara Sultan Mohamad Melaka (1423-46M). Rujuk HAMKA.
sejarah

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#456 Nov 20, 2010
boleh tahu tak,
islam yg pertama di asia negara mana ya?
Aman

Melaka, Malaysia

#457 Nov 20, 2010
Tercatat pada periode 1512 - 1515, Tome Pires, menghabiskan waktunya di Melaka dan membuat buku yang berjudul "Suma Oriental". Menurut Pires, pada masa itu sebagian besar raja-raja Sumatra sudah diIslamkan, mulai dari Aceh sebelah utara terus menyusur ke pesisir timur hingga Palembang.

Ia juga mencatat, di Kerajaan Sunda ada tiga kota pelabuhan yaitu Banten, Kalapa (kini Jakarta),
dan Tangerang. Ketiga kerajaan itu masih penganut Hindu.

Pada 1521, Pasai jatuh ke tangan Portugis. Armada laut Kesultanan Acheh menghancurkan kekuatan Portugis pimpinan Jorge de Brito. Baru pada tahun 1524, Kesultanan Acheh berhasil merebut kekuasaan Kesultanan Samudra Pasai. Banda Acheh dijadikan sebagai Ibu Kota Kesultanan Acheh yang daerah kekuasaannya makin meluas setelah Kesultanan Samudra Pasai berada dibawah kendalinya.

Periode berikutnya, pada 1537, Sultan Salahuddin menyerang Melaka, namun gagal. Sultan Salahuddin wafat digantikan oleh saudaranya, Ala-ud Din (I) al Qahhar (1537-1568). Gelar al-Qahhar artinya penakluk.

Pada 1576, Kesultanan Acheh diserbu oleh pasukan Portugis. Sultan Ali Riayat Syah wafat dalam serbuan itu. Seterusnya digantikan oleh Sultan Seri Alam (1576 - 1 604). Pada 3 April 1607, Sultan Iskandar Muda ditabalkan menjadi raja Acheh hingga 1636. Dia memimpin perlawanan dan mampu mengusir Portugis. Dibawah kepemimpinan Sultan Iskandar Muda, Benteng Deli ditakluk. Ia juga menundukkan Johor (1613), Pahang (1618), dan Kedah (1619).
Aman

Melaka, Malaysia

#458 Nov 20, 2010
sejarah wrote:
boleh tahu tak,
islam yg pertama di asia negara mana ya?
Kalau di Asia sudah tentu di tanah Arab. Sebab semenanjung Arab sebahagian dari Asia.
radzi

Kemaman, Malaysia

#459 Nov 20, 2010
Saiful wrote:
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Tak ada masalah dengan anjing bertendang. Boleh juga tubuh negeri. Pun tak ada masalah kalau tak ada sumber. Empayar Monggol dan Manchu pun tak ada sumber dan penduduk yang ramai tapi dapat menakluk China yang jauh lebih ramai penduduk dan sumber. Negeri sembilan adalah antara daerah-daerah yang membaiah Melaka termasuk Kedah.
Lot of proteins & GRASSLAND!

Mongolia and Manchuria have lots of nomads, grassland, horses, cows and dairy products.

A lot of skillful riders good with mastery in archery.
Aman

Melaka, Malaysia

#460 Nov 20, 2010
radzi wrote:
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Lot of proteins & GRASSLAND!
Mongolia and Manchuria have lots of nomads, grassland, horses, cows and dairy products.
A lot of skillful riders good with mastery in archery.
Terlalu sedikit jika dibandingkan dengan Sung Empire.

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