Mana lebih maju? malaysia or indonesia?

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Feb 2, 2011
 
gue anak malaysia tapi udah lama di indo.5 tahun gue di indo, dan ternyata emang jauh sekali perbedaan ekonomi, sosial antara kedua negara..malaysia jauh lebih maju walaupun lebih lambat merdeka kebanding indonesia.anak2 indonesia itu kalau tau aku anak malaysia dicaci terus.kenapa? itulah masalah sosial mereka sehingga terlau patriotik dengan negaranya sehinggakan ngak tau benchmark mereka ada dimana.bahasa inggeris mereka waduh terlalu lemah.bagaimana mau bersaing dengan dunia? emosi selalu mengawal diri mereka.pantasan bentrokan dimana-mana.kalau di malaysia g ada sama sekali perbuatan yang tiada sivik itu.fikir-fikirla indo
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Feb 2, 2011
 
damai IDN wrote:
udahlah kalo ngomong ama maling gk ada abisnya
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Feb 2, 2011
 
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China Adikuasa dunia Singapore tidak!!
Dubai punyai GDP jauh lebih besar dari China adakah Dubai dipandang sebagai Adikuasa?
Adikuasa adalah ekonomi besar dunia dan club ini hanya di anggotai 10 kuasa besar!!>>
Seekor lagi Indon tolol

GDP China ialah USD 10,084,369 juta!!!! berada di ranking ke-2 dunia tolol!!!!
sedangkan GDP kota Dubai hanya USD 82,110 juta sahaja,
masakan 82,110 JAUH LEBIH BESAR brbanding 10,084,369?

Nampak tak kamu ni tolol, mana yang lebih besar 82 or 10,084?

Hahahaha
Indon tolol, cuba kamu bandingkan Indon dengan Australia, GDP Indon lebih tinggi berbanding Australia, adakah rakyat Indon lebih kaya berbanding Australia?..
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Feb 2, 2011
 
Bringing growth from Jakarta
Ceritalah by KARIM RASLAN

With Asia stepping into the forefront of the economy, Indonesia is poised to be the next big thing after China and India. Can Malaysia shed its old prejudices and play ball with the new “big boys” of the world?

AS Europe and North America continue to flounder economically, Asia is experiencing an unprecedented wave of prosperity. Forbes’ magazine’s Annual List of Billionaires underlines a startling increase in the number of Indian, Chinese and now, Indonesian names, reshaping the global ‘wealth’ map.

This is an historic opportunity for us in Malaysia. Can we harness the exuberance and economic dynamism of Mumbai, Shanghai or indeed Jakarta to help drive our nation’s future growth? Can we attract investments from these three giants?

However, there are socio-political pitfalls facing this economic challenge. On the one hand, our famed diversity should be our greatest strength.

Sadly, the fragility of Malaysia’s race relations means that we’re unable to harness this as well as we should.

These complications will continue to hamper our ability to leverage off China and India’s growth in moving forward.

Indeed, Chinese investment in both Singapore and Indonesia far outstrips FDI into Malaysia.

Indonesia presents a different set of sensitivities.

Bilateral relations are complicated by our very proximity.

At the same time, the presence of a large Indonesian community within Malaysia (estimated at between 2-3 million both documented and undocumented) means that there is a constant stream of real life and often harrowing tragedies that unsettle the even keel of bilateral relations.

However, if we can manage these difficulties Malaysia stands to gain and the potential is stupendous.

Furthermore given the intertwined geography, this growth story can impact the entire nation from Kota Kinabalu, Kuching to Malacca and Penang.

Indonesia represents a test-case: can we re-tool quickly enough to capture inward investment from our largest neighbour?

Will our civil service and security apparatus be able to adjust to the dealing with wealthy middle class Indonesians buying homes and investing in Malaysia?

Having hosted millions of unskilled workers for decades, can we cope with an influx of articulate and confident middle-class Indonesians – many of who have become emboldened by their Republic’s post reformasi-era’s openness? Are we capable of overcoming our prejudices?

Indonesia’s leading businessmen are a tough-minded crew.

The Republic is not a place for wimps or those expecting handouts.

The commercial environment is brutally competitive and often confusingly opaque.

A glance through Forbes’ Indonesian edition with its list of Republic’s 40 richest tycoons reveals a diverse mix of men and women with interests ranging from natural resource extraction to those dealing with the vast 230-million strong consumer market.

Moreover a booming stockmarket has led to a 70% increase (since 2009) in the combined wealth of the business figures included on the Forbes List.

Indeed the 40 names are worth more than US$70bil (RM220bil)– a third of Malaysia’s economy.

The list of super-rich is also a timely reminder to those who think that Indonesians are merely palm oil plantation workers, construction labourers and household servants. The list reinforces the economic energy and diversity of the archipelagic republic.

With billions in hand, many of these tycoons (especially those who also own newspapers and/or TV stations) wield considerable power and influence. Many are “players”.

Indonesia’s richest man is Budi Hartono, the co-owner and CEO of the kretek manufacturer, Djarum Group. The rich but reclusive tycoon owns a highly diversified business empire that includes the ubiquitous bank, BCA and the enormous iconic property development, Grand Indonesia.

Together with his brother, Michael, they have seen their assets shoot up by 55% to more than US$11bil (RM34.6bil) in 2010.
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Bringing growth from Jakarta
Ceritalah by KARIM RASLAN

With Asia stepping into the forefront of the economy, Indonesia is poised to be the next big thing after China and India. Can Malaysia shed its old prejudices and play ball with the new “big boys” of the world?

AS Europe and North America continue to flounder economically, Asia is experiencing an unprecedented wave of prosperity. Forbes’ magazine’s Annual List of Billionaires underlines a startling increase in the number of Indian, Chinese and now, Indonesian names, reshaping the global ‘wealth’ map.

This is an historic opportunity for us in Malaysia. Can we harness the exuberance and economic dynamism of Mumbai, Shanghai or indeed Jakarta to help drive our nation’s future growth? Can we attract investments from these three giants?

However, there are socio-political pitfalls facing this economic challenge. On the one hand, our famed diversity should be our greatest strength.

Sadly, the fragility of Malaysia’s race relations means that we’re unable to harness this as well as we should.

These complications will continue to hamper our ability to leverage off China and India’s growth in moving forward.

Indeed, Chinese investment in both Singapore and Indonesia far outstrips FDI into Malaysia.
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#312
Feb 2, 2011
 
ndonesia presents a different set of sensitivities.

Bilateral relations are complicated by our very proximity.

At the same time, the presence of a large Indonesian community within Malaysia (estimated at between 2-3 million both documented and undocumented) means that there is a constant stream of real life and often harrowing tragedies that unsettle the even keel of bilateral relations.

However, if we can manage these difficulties Malaysia stands to gain and the potential is stupendous.

Furthermore given the intertwined geography, this growth story can impact the entire nation from Kota Kinabalu, Kuching to Malacca and Penang.

Indonesia represents a test-case: can we re-tool quickly enough to capture inward investment from our largest neighbour?

Will our civil service and security apparatus be able to adjust to the dealing with wealthy middle class Indonesians buying homes and investing in Malaysia?

Having hosted millions of unskilled workers for decades, can we cope with an influx of articulate and confident middle-class Indonesians – many of who have become emboldened by their Republic’s post reformasi-era’s openness? Are we capable of overcoming our prejudices?
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Feb 2, 2011
 
Indonesia’s leading businessmen are a tough-minded crew.

The Republic is not a place for wimps or those expecting handouts.

The commercial environment is brutally competitive and often confusingly opaque.

A glance through Forbes’ Indonesian edition with its list of Republic’s 40 richest tycoons reveals a diverse mix of men and women with interests ranging from natural resource extraction to those dealing with the vast 230-million strong consumer market.

Moreover a booming stockmarket has led to a 70% increase (since 2009) in the combined wealth of the business figures included on the Forbes List.

Indeed the 40 names are worth more than US$70bil (RM220bil)– a third of Malaysia’s economy.

The list of super-rich is also a timely reminder to those who think that Indonesians are merely palm oil plantation workers, construction labourers and household servants. The list reinforces the economic energy and diversity of the archipelagic republic.

With billions in hand, many of these tycoons (especially those who also own newspapers and/or TV stations) wield considerable power and influence. Many are “players”.

Indonesia’s richest man is Budi Hartono, the co-owner and CEO of the kretek manufacturer, Djarum Group. The rich but reclusive tycoon owns a highly diversified business empire that includes the ubiquitous bank, BCA and the enormous iconic property development, Grand Indonesia.

Together with his brother, Michael, they have seen their assets shoot up by 55% to more than US$11bil (RM34.6bil) in 2010.

Budi Hartono’s low-key manner is contrasted with the renowned property developer, Pak Ciputra or “Pak Ci” as he is fondly known.

With 40 years experience of developing successful townships, housing-estates and recreational centres across the wide archipelago – he has built projects across South-East Asia but not in Malaysia: a glaring omission.

There also younger names on the Forbes’ list including the personable and handsome, Sandiago Uno, co-founder of Saratoga Capital, one of the largest Indonesia-focused private equity firms with interests from infrastructure to coal.

At the same time everywhere I’ve visited in Indonesia – from Padang to Surabaya, Balikpapan and Makassar, local businessmen (part of the 30-million strong middle class) have responded enthusiastically about Malaysia as a destination for FDI – whether large or small.

We need to figure out a way bringing Indonesian growth to our shores. The economic and government transformation programs, ETP and GTP must appeal to foreign investors, especially the new giants.

As it is, Malaysians build some of the best highways, homes, hospitals, hotels and retail centres in Asia. Now we need to ensure that the “Truly Asia” slogan works as a real welcome for all our Asian neighbours.

As I’ve said before-Indonesia represents a test case for Malaysia. If we are able to “do business unusually”– then we are gamed to play with the “new big boys”.
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Indonesia presents a different set of sensitivities.

Bilateral relations are complicated by our very proximity.

At the same time, the presence of a large Indonesian community within Malaysia (estimated at between 2-3 million both documented and undocumented) means that there is a constant stream of real life and often harrowing tragedies that unsettle the even keel of bilateral relations.

However, if we can manage these difficulties Malaysia stands to gain and the potential is stupendous.

Furthermore given the intertwined geography, this growth story can impact the entire nation from Kota Kinabalu, Kuching to Malacca and Penang.

Indonesia represents a test-case: can we re-tool quickly enough to capture inward investment from our largest neighbour?

Will our civil service and security apparatus be able to adjust to the dealing with wealthy middle class Indonesians buying homes and investing in Malaysia?

Having hosted millions of unskilled workers for decades, can we cope with an influx of articulate and confident middle-class Indonesians – many of who have become emboldened by their Republic’s post reformasi-era’s openness? Are we capable of overcoming our prejudices?
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Feb 2, 2011
 
Karim Raslan Journalis asal Malaysia yg berpetuang serta berkelana di Indonesia/Bali, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore dan Bangkok lebih memahami Indonesian economy. Nasihat heliau adalah ubahlah persepsi kamu tentang perekonomian Indonesia!
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Feb 2, 2011
 
John wrote:
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Seekor lagi Indon tolol
GDP China ialah USD 10,084,369 juta!!!! berada di ranking ke-2 dunia tolol!!!!
sedangkan GDP kota Dubai hanya USD 82,110 juta sahaja,
masakan 82,110 JAUH LEBIH BESAR brbanding 10,084,369?
Nampak tak kamu ni tolol, mana yang lebih besar 82 or 10,084?
Hahahaha
Indon tolol, cuba kamu bandingkan Indon dengan Australia, GDP Indon lebih tinggi berbanding Australia, adakah rakyat Indon lebih kaya berbanding Australia?..
Adakah rakyat China lebih kaya dari Dubai??

Tahun 2010 GDP Indonesia USD695billion VS Malaysia USD 219billion

Tahun 2020?? at the rate Indonesia is going mungkin 6 kali lipat Malaysia. Malaysia is already trapped in the Middle Income Entrapment!
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#318
Feb 2, 2011
 
sy tak kata perubatan indonesia ketinggalan ;) sy kata malaysian yg miskin dan kaya pun boleh berubat dgn rm 1,sedangkan indonesia yg kaya boleh sj ke singapore.miskin pula entah berubat entah tidak.bbrp kenalan sy kt indon suka berubat kt penang,mereka kata lebih bgs dr negaranya.itu komen yg sy dgr sendiri,btl atau tidak indon jer yg tau
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Feb 2, 2011
 
KT INDON NK DPT UBAT RM1?? BaNBANG YODOBODO CKP BIARLAH DIA MATI LG BGUS ..hAHAHAHAHA NK MINTAK KERJA KT SANA PUN KNA BYAR DUIT..wakakakakap! KT NEGARA MANA LG YE DLM DUNIA NI YG NK DPT KERJA KNA BYAR DUIT..sLAIN INDON..? HAHAHAHA
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Feb 2, 2011
 
NKRI-1 wrote:
Malon?? Mana malon?? Berani masuk tapi ga berani komen! GOBLOK lon!
gue sebenarnya g ngerti bahasa indon.malaysia kan ahlinya bahasa inggris.ayuh atuh bahasa inggris.kalau lo kasitau bahasa indon,indon ja ngerti.gue belajar di indon dan ternyata anak2 indon g ngerti bahasa inggris.aneh banget.diajar di sekolah g bahasa inggris??
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#321
Feb 2, 2011
 
Malaysia lebih kurang setaraf dengan Negara Negara Eropah Timur. Jesteru itu Malaysia tidak sepatutnya membuat perbandingan dengan Negara seperti thai, filipina ataupun Indonesia yang jauh kebelakang.

Pada tahun 1960 an Ekonomi Malaysia lebih besar dari Korea tetapi ranking korea sudah jauh kehadapan.Malaysia tidak sepatutnya menepuk dada hanya kerna dapat mengalahkan negara asean yang lain. Dengan sumber ekonomi Malaysia yang banyak, Malaysia sepatutya sama dengan korea selatan.

Prinsip Malaysia menuju ke arah Negara Pendapatan tinggi adalah betul. Malaysia sudah pun di iktiraf sebagai Negara no 37 terbaik di Dunia..

Aku rasa forumer Indoensia sepatutnya membandingkan negara mereka dengan Filipina yang mendahului mereka bukannya Malaysia jauh jauh tinggi bedanya.

Best Country in the World-News Week

Best Country: World ranking-Asean Comparison (Negara terbaik)
Indonesia No: 73
Thailand No: 58
Phillipine No: 63
Malaysia No: 37
Vietnam: No: 81
Malaysia adalah Negara yang no 37 Terbaik di Dunia, setaraf dengan Negara Eropah Timur.

Education ranking:(Taraf Belajar dan kepandaian)
Indonesia: No 71
Thailand No: 57
Phillipine No: 46
Malaysia No: 36
Vietnam: No:64

Malaysia di iktiraf dunia mempunyai rakyat yang mempunyai taraf pembelajaran yang tinggi.

Health:(Fasiliti Kesihatan dan kesihatan Rakyat)
Indonesia: No 75
Thailand No: 66
Phillipine No: 66
Malaysia No: 52
Rakyat Sihat dan Fasiliti Malaysia adalah antara terbaik.

Life quality:(Nilai Kehidupan dan kesenangan)
Indonesia: No 82
Thailand No: 55
Phillipine No: 75
Malaysia No: 48
Vietnam No 74 Malaysia mempunyai taraf hidup jauh lebih senang dari Negara lain.

Economic Diversity: Kekuatan Ekonomi
Indonesia: No 76
Thailand No: 39
Phillipine No: 64
Malaysia No: 14
Vietnam: No 79
Di No 16, Malaysia menguasai perdagangan dan juga no 21 tempat terbaik untuk bisnes.

Political Environment Kebebasan Politikal
Indonesia No:52
Thailand No: 74
Phillipine No:58
Malaysia No: 54 ..
Vietnam No: 95

Indonesia hanya melebihi dua ranking dari Malaysia tapi kebebasan yang lebih sedikit tidak memberikan Indonesia apa apa. Manakala Malaysia mendahului Negara Asean dari segenap aspek.
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just curious wrote:
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Adakah rakyat China lebih kaya dari Dubai??
Tahun 2010 GDP Indonesia USD695billion VS Malaysia USD 219billion
Tahun 2020?? at the rate Indonesia is going mungkin 6 kali lipat Malaysia. Malaysia is already trapped in the Middle Income Entrapment!
Penduduk kalian lebih 10 kali lipat tapi GDP nya hanya 3 kali aja..ha ha ha...Walaupun kami dalam "middle income" ,,kalian adalah dalam LOW income catogeri..cuba periksa...Jangan menipu diri sendiri..
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Lebih Baik Anda DIAM .
Hati-Hati dalam berkomentar ,
Gunakanlah bahasa yang sopan, jika tidak bisa,
Diam lah .
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NMPAKNYA prbumI sakti Telah membuat mata mat indon trbeliak sehinga juling membaca fakta yg dikeluar kn. .hAHAHAHAHA
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Jelas Terbukti dengan kekayaan Indonesia di Monopoli oleh sekelompok kecil warga Indonesia menunjukkan kelemahan ketara dalam pemerintahan Indonesia..Jesteru iu Indonesia gagal dalam pengaggihan terhadap masyarakat dengan mengkayakan yang kaya.

Hanya segelintir yang kaya tapi majoriti amat miskin.

Kalau perkara seperti ini berlaku di Negara barat sudah tentu ada revolusi,

urang Pendapatan makin Menganga
07 Jan 2011

Kontribusi penduduk berpenghasilan rendah terhadap pembentukan PDB melemah.

Andreas Timothy

KESENJANGAN pendapatan di antara kelompok masyarakat di Indonesia terus melebar. Hal itu terjadi lantaran belum ada keseriusan pemerintah untuk menciptakan ekonomi yang berkeadilan.

Melebarnya jurang pendapatan tersebut tecermin dalam data pertumbuhan rekening yang dihimpun Lembaga Penjamin Simpanan (LPS). Meski rekening di atas Rp5 miliar hanya 0,04% dari total rekening masyarakat di bank umum di Indonesia, nilainya mencapai Rp886,02 triliun. Jumlah itu setara 39,52% total dana masyarakat di perbankan yang mencapai Rp2.241,79 triliun.

Sebaliknya, jumlah rekening bernominal di bawah RplOO juta mencapai 97,7%. dari total rekening. Namun, pangsanya secara nominal hanya 17,38%.

Data LPS juga menunjukkan kenaikan nominal lebih besar pada segmen di atas Rp5 miliar yaitu Rp21,07 triliun atau 1.087 rekening. Adapun segmen nominal RplOO juta-200 juta naik Rpl,39 triliun (23.220 rekening).

Pengamat ekonomi Dradjad Wibowo menjelaskan, dengan membagi pertambahan nilaisimpanan dengan pertambahan jumlah rekening, rasio pertambahan untuk kelompok dengan nominal rekening di atas Rp5 miliar adalah Rpl9,4 miliar per rekening. Sementara itu, untuk kelompok dengan nominal di bawah Rp200 juta, rasio laju pertambahannya hanya Rp6,16 juta per rekening.

"Jadi kelompok terkaya mengakumulasikan simpanan mereka di bank 3.150 kali lebih cepat. Sangat timpang," ujarnya saat dihubungi, kemarin.

Peneliti Pusat Penelitian Ekonomi Lembaga Ilmu Pengetahuan Indonesia (P2E LIPI) Latief Adam mengatakan data

LPS dapat jadi cerminan melebarnya disparitas pendapatan masyarakat. "Kelihatan sekali terjadi pembusukan dalam perbedaan pendapatan. Dis-paritasnya makin tinggi."

Menurutnya, bukan hanya disparitas pendapatan yang melebar. Penelitian P2E LIPI yang menggunakan pendekatan pendapatan penduduk menemukan, sepanjang 1999-2009 kontribusi penduduk berpenghasilan rendah terhadap pembentukan produk domestik bruto (PDB) melemah. Kontribusi mereka turun dari 21,50% ke 18,96%. Kontribusi penduduk berpendapatan menengah juga turun dari 37,35% ke 36,14%. Sebaliknya, kontribusi penduduk berpendapatan besar (20%) justru naik dari 41,15% menjadi 44,90%.

Belum terjawab

"Perekonomian tumbuh sampai 6% itu yang tumbuh siapa? Kalau yang nikmati cuma pemilik rekening Rp5 miliar ke atas, buat apa? Rakyat banyak tak tumbuh," cetus ekonom UGM Revrisond Baswir.

Hingga kini, lanjutnya, per-tumbuhan ekonomi cuma dinikmati kalangan tertentu sehingga belum mampu menjawab masalah ketimpangan pendapatan masyarakat.

Dari data Badan Pusat Statistik, rasio Gini yang mengindikasikan ketimpangan kesejahteraan masyarakat hanya turun tipis lima tahun terakhir. Perbaikan kesenjangan pendapatan bahkan hanya terjadi di perkotaan, dengan rasio Gini turun dari 0,362 ke 0,352. Di sisi lain, kesenjangan di perdesaan justru meningkat, dengan rasio Gini naik dari 0,288 ke 0,297.

Hal senada dikemukakan ekonom Indef Hendri Saparini. la mencontohkan, di Jepang, jutawan dengan kekayaan di atas US$1 juta alias high net worth individual (HNVVI) menguasai 22%. kekayaan di negara itu, dan Inggris 23%. Namun di Indonesia, 56% kekayaan di sini dikuasai 0,2% dari total penduduk, atau sekitar 43 ribu orang saja.(AW/VE-3)
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Malaysia bukanlah tandingan Indonesia,,carilah lawan yang sama level seperti Thailand ataupun Filipina...
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Pribumi Sakti wrote:
Malaysia bukanlah tandingan Indonesia,,carilah lawan yang sama level seperti Thailand ataupun Filipina...
aTAU PUN TIMUR LESTE YG TELAH DBERI KEMERDEKAAN.. Wakakakakap!

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