NO EVIDENCE 2 Connect ancient and mo...

NO EVIDENCE 2 Connect ancient and modern greeks..

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The Lie Detector

Helensvale, Australia

#1 Nov 15, 2012
show me the evidence...where is this fabled bullshit never broken existence that all the world laughs at..

a greek is a fake...nothing more
Lynch

Arlington, WA

#2 Nov 15, 2012
The Lie Detector wrote:
show me the evidence...where is this fabled bullshit never broken existence that all the world laughs at..
a greek is a fake...nothing more
go get an EDUCATION you stupid fool.
Johnny Makedonche

New York, NY

#3 Nov 15, 2012
I guess anyone can let his/her phantasy fly.

Paraphrasing Greek Author A.K. in "Fields of Wheat, Hills of Blood" (p 17/introduction ) who refers to the large nations of Southern Europe/Balkans:

"A tranformation of history into national history made to legitimize the nation state by teleologically reconstructing a reputed past.

The pedigree of national descernt is refined, lengthened, and the ancestors become a vehicle for majority- group legitimation.

The insights that a glorification of ones history offers is far removed from material reality. However contemporary national identity may distort ones visions of the past"

Read the writings of this beautifull Lady - a greek anthropologist who makes every possible attempt to avoid looking at history through the glass filter of nations. Many in the Balkans/Southern Europe cannot stomach this, but it is genuine writing of a grand human being this author
GEOROX

Melrose Park, IL

#4 Nov 15, 2012
Modern Greeks are the descendants of their ancient and medieval ancestors just as the modern Chinese, Indians, Italians, Copts, Armenians, etc, are the descendants of their ancient and medieval ancestors.

And here`s why:

1) Modern Greeks enjoy a very long, distinguished, well documented history and presence in the region (a quality you illiterate peasants sorely lack).

2) Modern Greeks belong to a rich, illustrious, and unbroken linguistic tradition.

3) Modern Greeks live in the same region and on the same land as their ancient and medieval ancestors.

4) Modern Greeks share strikingly similar (virtually identical) anthropological attributes with their ancient and medieval ancestors.

5) Modern Greeks possess a Greek genetic signature as attested to by the world's leading populations geneticists.

6) Modern Greeks share countless customs, traditions, rituals, and superstitions with their ancient and medieval ancestors.

7) Modern Greeks belong to a religion that has retained more of the Hellenic pagan tradition than any other christian sect in the world or religion in the region.

Can you peasants boast such qualities?

That's what I thought Slavko!

Since: Oct 12

Athens, Greece

#5 Nov 15, 2012
Johnny Makedonche wrote:
I guess anyone can let his/her phantasy fly.
Paraphrasing Greek Author A.K. in "Fields of Wheat, Hills of Blood" (p 17/introduction ) who refers to the large nations of Southern Europe/Balkans:
"A tranformation of history into national history made to legitimize the nation state by teleologically reconstructing a reputed past.
The pedigree of national descernt is refined, lengthened, and the ancestors become a vehicle for majority- group legitimation.
The insights that a glorification of ones history offers is far removed from material reality. However contemporary national identity may distort ones visions of the past"
Read the writings of this beautifull Lady - a greek anthropologist who makes every possible attempt to avoid looking at history through the glass filter of nations. Many in the Balkans/Southern Europe cannot stomach this, but it is genuine writing of a grand human being this author
Here is the answer to your bullsht.
Enjoy it!!!!!!!

http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter.ht...
Johnny Makedonche

New York, NY

#6 Nov 15, 2012
GEOROX wrote:
Modern Greeks are the descendants of their ancient and medieval ancestors just as the modern Chinese, Indians, Italians, Copts, Armenians, etc, are the descendants of their ancient and medieval ancestors.
And here`s why:
1) Modern Greeks enjoy a very long, distinguished, well documented history and presence in the region (a quality you illiterate peasants sorely lack).
2) Modern Greeks belong to a rich, illustrious, and unbroken linguistic tradition.
3) Modern Greeks live in the same region and on the same land as their ancient and medieval ancestors.
4) Modern Greeks share strikingly similar (virtually identical) anthropological attributes with their ancient and medieval ancestors.
5) Modern Greeks possess a Greek genetic signature as attested to by the world's leading populations geneticists.
6) Modern Greeks share countless customs, traditions, rituals, and superstitions with their ancient and medieval ancestors.
7) Modern Greeks belong to a religion that has retained more of the Hellenic pagan tradition than any other christian sect in the world or religion in the region.
Can you peasants boast such qualities?
That's what I thought Slavko!
Well well, would not expect better from you; I quote you some stuff from your own greek author and then you start vometing non sense. You are dreaming portokaleladis, your brain suffers of severe superscription of memory. You can tell those lies to your own children, but rarely anyone will buy it ( and if so then only out of political correctness).

What makes you think that you are the hellenic uebermensch ? You sound like an occult racist speaking of greek racial hygene (and we know who else spread such ideas about a nation/race)...

In other words to make it more clear for you:

you sound like a white supremacist when you speak of genetic and anthropolgic qualites that you posses as a hellene
Johnny Makedonche

New York, NY

#7 Nov 15, 2012
NikyT wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is the answer to your bullsht.
Enjoy it!!!!!!!
http://macedonia-evidence.org/obama-letter.ht...
It is not my bull shit. It is from one of your own authors - a free independent thinker. Must be very hard for you to stomach this. I am sorry for you - you are truly limited. Forget the above link - I am not even opening it ( it sounds like it has to do with modern day politics)

Since: Oct 12

Athens, Greece

#8 Nov 15, 2012
Johnny Makedonche wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not my bull shit. It is from one of your own authors - a free independent thinker. Must be very hard for you to stomach this. I am sorry for you - you are truly limited. Forget the above link - I am not even opening it ( it sounds like it has to do with modern day politics)
Yeah I know it's very hard for you to read it!
No problem at all.
Stay with your propaganda. Reality will wake you up.
The Lie Detector

Helensvale, Australia

#9 Nov 15, 2012
GEOROX wrote:
Modern Greeks are the descendants of their ancient and medieval ancestors just as the modern Chinese, Indians, Italians, Copts, Armenians, etc, are the descendants of their ancient and medieval ancestors.
And here`s why:
1) Modern Greeks enjoy a very long, distinguished, well documented history and presence in the region (a quality you illiterate peasants sorely lack).
2) Modern Greeks belong to a rich, illustrious, and unbroken linguistic tradition.
3) Modern Greeks live in the same region and on the same land as their ancient and medieval ancestors.
4) Modern Greeks share strikingly similar (virtually identical) anthropological attributes with their ancient and medieval ancestors.
5) Modern Greeks possess a Greek genetic signature as attested to by the world's leading populations geneticists.
6) Modern Greeks share countless customs, traditions, rituals, and superstitions with their ancient and medieval ancestors.
7) Modern Greeks belong to a religion that has retained more of the Hellenic pagan tradition than any other christian sect in the world or religion in the region.
Can you peasants boast such qualities?
That's what I thought Slavko!
blah blah blah, No connection and no proof provided as usual just ranting and making things to suit....your zombie modern nation was ruled by fake german kings, who were shocked that no one spoke greek in athens, all greeks are imports from turkey, pontass, meaning turks and the rest are converted albanians...you have an unbroken legacy of stupidity...thats all...go milk your goat..
The Lie Detector

Helensvale, Australia

#10 Nov 15, 2012
NikyT wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah I know it's very hard for you to read it!
No problem at all.
Stay with your propaganda. Reality will wake you up.
hahaha, nice dramatical letter of noi significance written no doubt by a moron and thrown on the garbage heap, like alllllll greek propaganda.....go home to gayskatalada and save yourselves from self destruction!!!!
GEOROX

Glen Ellyn, IL

#11 Nov 16, 2012
Medieval and Modern Greek

ROBERT BROWNING
PROFESSOR EMERITUS OF CLASSICS
BIRKBECK COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY OF LONDON
http://byzantineee.blogspot.com/2011/02/medie...

"The Homeric poems were written down in more or less their present form in the 7th century B.C.Since then Greek has enjoyed a continuous tradition down to the present day. Change there has certainly been. But there has been no break like that of Latin and the Romance Laguages. Ancient Greek is not a foreign language to Greeks of today as Anglo-Saxon is to modern Englishmen. THE ONLY OTHER LANGUAGE WHICH ENJOYS A COMPARABLE CONTINUITY OF TRADITION IS CHINESE.
GEOROX

Glen Ellyn, IL

#12 Nov 16, 2012
Nationalism and Modernism
By Anthony David Smith
(Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity at the London School of Economics)
http://books.google.com/books...

"Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components — name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association — were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia."

- Nationalism and Modernism, 2003, page 191

http://books.google.com/books...

"This is not to deny for one moment either the enormous cultural changes undergone by the Greeks despite a surviving sense of common ethnicity or the cultural influence of surrounding peoples and civilizations over two thousand years. At the same time in terms of script and language, certain values, a particular environment and its nostalgia, continuous social interactions, and a sense of religious and cultural difference, even exclusion, a sense of Greek identity and common sentiments of ethnicity can be said to have persisted beneath the many social and political changes of the last two thousand years."

- National Identity, 1991, pages 29-30
GEOROX

Glen Ellyn, IL

#13 Nov 16, 2012
Carleton Stevens Coon
(Professor of Anthropology at the University of Pennsylvania, lecturer and professor at Harvard, and president of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists.)

"It is inaccurate to say that the modern Greeks are different physically from the ancient Greeks; such a statement is based on an ignorance of the Greek ethnic character. In classical times the Greeks included many kinds of people living in different places, as they do today. If one refers to the inhabitants of Attica during the sixth century, or to the Spartans of Leonidas, then the changes in these localities have probably not been nearly as great as that between the Germans of Tacitus and the living South Germans, to cite but a single example."

"The Greeks, in short, are a blend of racial types, of which two are most important; the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Alpine. Dinaricism here is present, but not all pervading; true Alpines are commoner than complete Dinarics. The racial type to which Socrates belonged is today the most important, while the Atlanto-Mediterranean, prominent in Greece since the Bronze Age, is still a major factor, it is my personal reaction to the living Greeks that their continuity with their ancestors of the ancient world is remarkable, rather than the opposite."

"The modern inhabitants of Greece itself differ surprisingly little from their classical predecessors."
Panos

Greece

#14 Nov 16, 2012
Katse re file Georox esy pas na apodei3eis ti akrivws?Oti eimaste ka8aroi Ellhnes??Ena alvano-tourkiko-slaviko-ellhni ko mpastardema eimaste!Makari na eimastan ka8aroi,alla...Tosoi kai tosoi katakthtes perasan apo ayton ton topo.......
GEOROX

Glen Ellyn, IL

#15 Nov 16, 2012
"Racial continuity in Greece is striking."

"The similarity between the modern skeletal material and the ancient Greek is amazing."

"Modern Greeks are the ancient Greeks".

- John Lawrence Angel
(Professor at the University of Minnesota and the University of California at Berkeley, as well as Curator of Physical (Biological) Anthropology at the National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution.)
Bronzilla

Athens, Greece

#16 Nov 16, 2012
Panos wrote:
Katse re file Georox esy pas na apodei3eis ti akrivws?Oti eimaste ka8aroi Ellhnes??Ena alvano-tourkiko-slaviko-ellhni ko mpastardema eimaste!Makari na eimastan ka8aroi,alla...Tosoi kai tosoi katakthtes perasan apo ayton ton topo.......
ego eimai apo Masalia meria ore ....na se po malaka tora ?

to pangosmio xorio ksexaseto... einai noris akoma....kai bebea as ksekinisoun aytoi prota...oxi ego....
GEOROX

Glen Ellyn, IL

#17 Nov 16, 2012
A comparative cephalometric investigation of the Greek craniofacial pattern through 4,000 years.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2672905

Abstract

"A comparative cephalometric investigation was conducted between modern and ancient Greeks to determine craniofacial characteristics and to examine the significance of ethnic heritage. The modern sample was composed of 54 individuals chosen on the basis of ethnic background, normal occlusion and facial harmony. The ancient sample consisted of 40 skulls with normal occlusion dated back to the Minoan civilization (ca. 1,800-1,200 B.C.). A REMARKABLE SIMILARITY IN CRANIOFACIAL MORPHOLOGY WAS REVEALED BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS, SUGGESTING A CLOSE GENETIC AFFINITY BETWEEN MODERN AND ANCIENT GREEKS. suggesting a close genetic affinity between modern and ancient Greeks. The ability of the craniofacial complex to make compensatory or balancing changes was noted. The craniofacial complex was seen to function as an integrated biological entity. Moreover, the cranial base showed a definite influence on skeletal profile configuration. These results provide a more comprehensive understanding of how craniofacial variables interact and contribute to the morphology of the dentofacial skeleton."
GEOROX

Glen Ellyn, IL

#18 Nov 16, 2012
Genes, peoples, and languages
L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza
(One of the world's leading populations geneticists)

A striking demonstration of the persistence of the Greek genetic signature through time can be found in the fourth figure. This figure is the 4th principal component of variation in Europe and shows a strong cline centered in Greece. Not only is the Greek genetic legacy clearly detectible today, but it is detectible among not only the Greeks, but all their neighboring populations of partial Greek ancestry:

http://www.pnas.org/content/94/15/7719/F2.exp...

In Europe, the most important hidden pattern (the first PC) has an extremely high correlation with the history of the spread of agriculture from the Middle East in the period 10,000–6,000 years B.P.(Fig. 2). Other lesser hidden patterns include: a migration to the north, probably across the northern Urals, of a population speaking a Uralic family language currently still spoken in Europe by Lapps, Finns, Hungarians, and some other populations; a migration from the region below the Urals and above the Caucasus to most of Europe, which was hypothesized by two different archaeologists to have carried Indo-European languages to Europe; THE GREEK EXPANSION OF THE FIRST MILLENIUM B.C. AND EARLIER; the Basque speaking region in the western part of the Pyrenees.

(4th map)
http://www.pnas.org/content/94/15/7719/F2.lar...

Figure 2
Hidden patterns in the geography of Europe shown by the first five principal components, explaining respectively 28%, 22%, 11%, 7%, and 5% of the total genetic variation for 95 classical polymorphisms (1, 13, 14). The first component is almost superimposable to the archaeological dates of the spread of farming from the Middle East between 10,000 and 6,000 years ago. The second principal component parallels a probable spread of Uralic people and/or languages to the northeast of Europe. The third is very similar to the spread of pastoral nomads (and their successors) who domesticated the horse in the steppe towards the end of the farming expansion, and are believed by some archaeologists and linguists to have spread most Indo-European languages to Europe. THE FOURTH IS STRONGLY REMINISCENT OF GREEK COLONIZATION IN THE FIRST MILLENIUM B.C. The fifth corresponds to the progressive retreat of the boundary of the Basque language. Basques have retained, in addition to their language, believed to be descended from an original language spoken in Europe, some of their original genetic characteristics.(From ref. 1, with permission of Princeton University Press, modified.)

References

Cavalli-Sforza L L, Menozzi P, Piazza A (1994) The History and Geography of Human Genes (Princeton Univ. Press, Princeton, NJ).

Cavalli-Sforza L L, Menozzi P, Piazza A (1993) Science
Demic Expansions and Human Evolution
Genetics Department, Stanford University, CA

Since: Oct 12

Athens, Greece

#19 Nov 16, 2012
Panos wrote:
Katse re file Georox esy pas na apodei3eis ti akrivws?Oti eimaste ka8aroi Ellhnes??Ena alvano-tourkiko-slaviko-ellhni ko mpastardema eimaste!Makari na eimastan ka8aroi,alla...Tosoi kai tosoi katakthtes perasan apo ayton ton topo.......
Kala oi dhthen apories sou einai afeleies prwtou megethous.
Den katalaves tipota apo ta stoixeia pou parethese o Georox h kaneis oti den katalavaineis?
Ritotiki erwtisi vevaia giati katalavaineis polu kala aplws me to Panos allazeis prwsopeio.
P.S H plaka einai oti paizoume ki emeis to paixnidi sou. Mipws katalaves giati to kanoume?
Panos

Greece

#20 Nov 16, 2012
NikyT wrote:
<quoted text>
Kala oi dhthen apories sou einai afeleies prwtou megethous.
Den katalaves tipota apo ta stoixeia pou parethese o Georox h kaneis oti den katalavaineis?
Ritotiki erwtisi vevaia giati katalavaineis polu kala aplws me to Panos allazeis prwsopeio.
P.S H plaka einai oti paizoume ki emeis to paixnidi sou. Mipws katalaves giati to kanoume?
Kamia aporia den exo.E3efrasa kathgorimatika mia apo4i!.ELAXISTI FULETIKI SXESI EXOUME ME TOUS ARXAIOUS ELLHNES.!Opos kai den paizo kanena paixnidi.Ayta vriskontai mono sto arrostimeno mualo sas.

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