the Identity of Macedonians

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“Macedonians", they proceed as such with the haphazard actions of re-naming their two airports "Alexander the Macedonian”

THE IDENTITY OF MACEDONIANS By NIKOS MARTIS, Former Greek Government Minister, President "Macedonian Hestia" The Skopjeans adhere persistently to their usurped constitutional name "Macedonia", because they want ... via Hellenic News of America

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Katherine

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#2 May 11, 2007
Just another point to add about the citizens of Fyrom who call themselves "Macedonians" and their diaspora as well, not only are they brainwashed and evil people they are truly MENTAL CASES, cause no normal rationl person would claim such blatant lies and propaganda the way they do and the most sickening part is they actually beleive their lies and they continue to try to cover up their lies with more lies.

LIES LIES LIES it is for FYROM.

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Mt Waverley

#4 May 12, 2007
Hell all , Lets try to remember the forum's theme , The Identity of Macedonians . It is easy .... They are Hellenes . However ,(to put it briefly ) a Slavic conquest of the area occurred and after the Byzantine forces of Basil II defeated the Slavs , under Tsar Samuel , Basil II permitted them to stay in the region .Thus there has been a Slavic culture there for about a Millenium .These people occupied the northen Byzantine lands however it is important to note that there were still many Greeks living (and still do )in the region . The Slavs of todays FYROM did not adopt the Title of Macedonian till Tito came around . My point is this , I don't say that the FYROM slavs should leave the area as others do , After all 1000 plus years is a long time but they should not lay claim to the legacy of the Hellenic state of Macedonia . They have a history and should be proud of it . By attemting to adopt the Hellenic past as their own they are only proving to themselves that they have no past and that the Hellenic ideals were totally overwhelming .

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Mt Waverley

#5 May 12, 2007
I was meant to start "Hello All" in the previous post .

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#6 May 12, 2007
Thrilos wrote:
Hell all , Lets try to remember the forum's theme , The Identity of Macedonians . It is easy .... They are Hellenes . However ,(to put it briefly ) a Slavic conquest of the area occurred and after the Byzantine forces of Basil II defeated the Slavs , under Tsar Samuel , Basil II permitted them to stay in the region .Thus there has been a Slavic culture there for about a Millenium .These people occupied the northen Byzantine lands however it is important to note that there were still many Greeks living (and still do )in the region . The Slavs of todays FYROM did not adopt the Title of Macedonian till Tito came around . My point is this , I don't say that the FYROM slavs should leave the area as others do , After all 1000 plus years is a long time but they should not lay claim to the legacy of the Hellenic state of Macedonia . They have a history and should be proud of it . By attemting to adopt the Hellenic past as their own they are only proving to themselves that they have no past and that the Hellenic ideals were totally overwhelming .
I hear you.

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#7 May 12, 2007
Macedonians had always Greek names, toponyms, ways, heroes, gods, dialect and spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World. Macedonians named after Greek names ALL the cities they built or renamed. Macedonians defended our Greekness at the hard times against Turkish occupation and Slavic excruciation. Macedonians continue defending our Greekness against SlavoSkopians attempt to Slavicize Macedonia and Macedonians.

SlavoSkopians are Macedonian NOTHING. Anything in Skopje is Slavic if not Bulgarian. All their heroes clearly stated that they were Bulgarian.

Istor

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Since: Feb 07

Bitola, Macedonia

#9 May 13, 2007
wow

what a neutral source....

so as i see, you have your Donski :) but his name is Martis.

and you put him a minister... you are even worse

Since: Feb 07

Bitola, Macedonia

#10 May 13, 2007
NIKOS MARTIS wrote:
They should also remember that according the admission of Hitler and many others, it was the heroic struggle of the Greeks that prevented Hitlerís victory, contributed to his defeat in Europe and led to the final victory of the Allies in WW II.
ahahahahahahahahaha

and i always was lied that actually USA, SSSR and UK was the ones responsible for defeating nazi Germany...

it must have been the communists that brainwashed me...

not to see the "great greek nation" that defeated Hitler

Since: Apr 07

Mt Waverley

#11 May 13, 2007
Kristijan wrote:
<quoted text>
ahahahahahahahahaha
and i always was lied that actually USA, SSSR and UK was the ones responsible for defeating nazi Germany...
it must have been the communists that brainwashed me...
not to see the "great greek nation" that defeated Hitler
Please read the entire post . It says CONTRIBUTED . The defeat of the Nazis and their allies in the second world war was a combined effort involving the people of Europe . But remember the speeches by the Big 3 praising the Greek effort and Hitler did lamentingly acknowledge the Greek resistance . By no means are we saying that the Nazis were defeated because of the Greeks . AND FINALLY Lets all stick to the issue of Macedonian Identity .
YunanMacedonian

Athens, Greece

#12 May 13, 2007
Kristijan wrote:
<quoted text>
ahahahahahahahahaha
and i always was lied that actually USA, SSSR and UK was the ones responsible for defeating nazi Germany...
it must have been the communists that brainwashed me...
not to see the "great greek nation" that defeated Hitler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Italian_Wa...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Crete
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Resistance
YunanMacedonian

Athens, Greece

#13 May 13, 2007
About Martis's article I don't think
that someone who calls Macedonian the Slav Macedonians
he means that they are direct descendants
of ancient Greek Macedonians

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Bitola, Macedonia

#14 May 13, 2007
Thrilos wrote:
<quoted text>Please read the entire post . It says CONTRIBUTED . The defeat of the Nazis and their allies in the second world war was a combined effort involving the people of Europe . But remember the speeches by the Big 3 praising the Greek effort and Hitler did lamentingly acknowledge the Greek resistance . By no means are we saying that the Nazis were defeated because of the Greeks . AND FINALLY Lets all stick to the issue of Macedonian Identity .
you read it again...

greeks were the ones that prevented Hitler from victory... wtf?

Ther biggest guerrilla partisans in Greece were the comunists, and they had a large number of Macedonians fighting with them.

In Yugolsavia there was much bigger partisan movement, and even bigger number of german soldiers. One of the doctrines of former yugoslavia was the same. That yugoslavia was responsible preventing germans from victory.

and everybody of you here are telling how communist was yugoslavia, and how evil it was.

when actually the greece is the same.

except that in yugoslavia every minority had it own human and civil rights.

in greece everybody has to be hellen...

nazi germany at least didn't hide nehind some "democratic" mask. It's time for you to come out of your nazi closet.
YunanMacedonian

Athens, Greece

#15 May 13, 2007
Kristijan wrote:
<quoted text>
you read it again...
greeks were the ones that prevented Hitler from victory... wtf?
Ther biggest guerrilla partisans in Greece were the comunists, and they had a large number of Macedonians fighting with them.
In Yugolsavia there was much bigger partisan movement, and even bigger number of german soldiers. One of the doctrines of former yugoslavia was the same. That yugoslavia was responsible preventing germans from victory.
and everybody of you here are telling how communist was yugoslavia, and how evil it was.
when actually the greece is the same.
except that in yugoslavia every minority had it own human and civil rights.
in greece everybody has to be hellen...
nazi germany at least didn't hide nehind some "democratic" mask. It's time for you to come out of your nazi closet.
1.That's why Yugoslavia killed each other
because of civilized ethnic rights?

2.GREECE defeated Mussolini's Italia
in Albania from 28 October 1940
till 6 April 1941 when we were
attacked by Germans and Bulgarians

for six 6 months

IT WAS THE FIRST DEFEAT OF AXIS FORCES
AND GAVE HOPE TO FREE FRENCH and other
enslaved Europeans

http://www.answers.com/topic/greco-italian-wa...

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Mt Waverley

#16 May 13, 2007
QUOTE who="Kristijan"<q uoted text>
i
have been brainwashed
GfC

Yuba City, CA

#17 May 13, 2007
Kristijan wrote:
<quoted text>
you read it again...
greeks were the ones that prevented Hitler from victory... wtf?
Ther biggest guerrilla partisans in Greece were the comunists, and they had a large number of Macedonians fighting with them.
In Yugolsavia there was much bigger partisan movement, and even bigger number of german soldiers. One of the doctrines of former yugoslavia was the same. That yugoslavia was responsible preventing germans from victory.
and everybody of you here are telling how communist was yugoslavia, and how evil it was.
when actually the greece is the same.
except that in yugoslavia every minority had it own human and civil rights.
in greece everybody has to be hellen...
nazi germany at least didn't hide nehind some "democratic" mask. It's time for you to come out of your nazi closet.
http://www.greekembassy.org/Embassy/content/e...
GfC

Yuba City, CA

#18 May 13, 2007
Kristijan wrote:
<quoted text>
you read it again...
greeks were the ones that prevented Hitler from victory... wtf?
Ther biggest guerrilla partisans in Greece were the comunists, and they had a large number of Macedonians fighting with them.
In Yugolsavia there was much bigger partisan movement, and even bigger number of german soldiers. One of the doctrines of former yugoslavia was the same. That yugoslavia was responsible preventing germans from victory.
and everybody of you here are telling how communist was yugoslavia, and how evil it was.
when actually the greece is the same.
except that in yugoslavia every minority had it own human and civil rights.
in greece everybody has to be hellen...
nazi germany at least didn't hide nehind some "democratic" mask. It's time for you to come out of your nazi closet.
Here are a couple of more links malaka:

http://agrino.org/greeklibrary/projects/World...

http://hellenicnews.com/readnews.html...

So if you don't believe the content of what these links state - prove us wrong.
GfC

Yuba City, CA

#19 May 13, 2007
France-WWII-Greek Veterans

15/07/2001 19:42:39
France has honoured Greece for joining allied forces in the Normandy landing 57 years ago, the operation that signalled liberation from the Nazis and the end of World War II.

On behalf of his country, French Ambassador Jean-Maurice Ripert on Saturday received nine Greek veterans and the relatives of dead seamen who took part in the landing in a ceremony timed to coincide with France's national day on July 14.

"Without the men of June 6, 1944 I would not be here tonight. We owe peace to those men. I am saying thank you to Greece - France will never forget you," Ripert told the ceremony held in the grounds of the French School of Archaeology in Athens.

In a message, French President Jacques Chirac welcomed Greece's contribution to the final victory against fascism.

Among dignitaries present at the ceremony was National Defence Minister Akis Tsohatzopoulos, who said that Greece had refused to fatalistically accept the Nazi yoke and had played its part in the war.

Ripert added that Greek Cypriots should also be honoured for their action in World War II.

In a message, Greek President Kostis Stephanopoulos noted that it was the first time France had bestowed a special honour on Greece's Normandy veterans.

On D-day, three Greek warships - the Tombazis, Kriezis and St. Spyridon - took part in the landing by the allied forces. Hundreds of Greek soldiers and four commandeered merchant ships joined the forces of 17 other nations in the Normandy landing to liberate France.

Kristijan,

Where were YOUR people in all of this and why (when others refer to the area of Macedonia) they state the Greeks of Macedonia.

It seems to me that "you have some explaining to do" - son!
GfC

Yuba City, CA

#20 May 13, 2007
Kristijan,

Read this son:

http://www.trinstitute.org/ojpcr/6_1kojou.htm

or this pdf formatted version

http://www.trinstitute.org/ojpcr/6_1kojou.pdf

Okay - now what YOU need to do is tell us where this guy is incorrect and prove it - otherwise - you are just talking shit - as usual.
Yada

Vero Beach, FL

#21 May 13, 2007
Thrilos wrote:
Hell all , Lets try to remember the forum's theme , The Identity of Macedonians . It is easy .... They are Hellenes . However ,(to put it briefly ) a Slavic conquest of the area occurred and after the Byzantine forces of Basil II defeated the Slavs , under Tsar Samuel , Basil II permitted them to stay in the region .Thus there has been a Slavic culture there for about a Millenium .These people occupied the northen Byzantine lands however it is important to note that there were still many Greeks living (and still do )in the region . The Slavs of todays FYROM did not adopt the Title of Macedonian till Tito came around . My point is this , I don't say that the FYROM slavs should leave the area as others do , After all 1000 plus years is a long time but they should not lay claim to the legacy of the Hellenic state of Macedonia . They have a history and should be proud of it . By attemting to adopt the Hellenic past as their own they are only proving to themselves that they have no past and that the Hellenic ideals were totally overwhelming .
The Macedonians and the Hellenic Greeks are the same people occupying territories in two waves of Poeni migrations. The first wave moved into Macedonia, Peloponese, Mediterranean territories speaking Dorian dialects and using Dorian cultures. The second wave came up behind in Greece, Iberia, Italy... They co-mingled again via wars and trade.

Eventually, there was a Macedonian empire mixed with the Hellenic Greeks that lasted about three hundred years of which Alex the Great was seen as the herald.

They're the same people migrating in different family bands.

Unfortunately, they didn't remember that and so the Macedonians in the zenith abused their hellenic brothers and the modern Greeks have done likewise and abused thie Macedonian brothers.

The problem is the reality each has decided to see and that reality says they are different.
SlavoScopjianBul gar-Gypsy

Australia

#22 May 14, 2007
Macedonian=Greek

not Macedonian=Slavic

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#23 May 15, 2007
SlavoScopjianBulgar-Gypsy wrote:
Macedonian=Greek
not Macedonian=Slavic
how convincing.

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