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What is the meaning and origin of the WORD..GREECE???

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“UNDIVIDED MAKEDONIJA”

Since: Oct 07

LERIN, BITOLA Australia

#1 Jan 15, 2008
I have asked many people on this forum and my gayreek family and friends this question.

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN AND MEANING OF THE WORD GREECE????????

I don't understand how the greeks DO NOT know the "meaning" and ORIGIN of their so called country's name.
If you ask them what Macedonia means and what are the origins of the word they will IMMEDIATELY give you their PROPAGANDA and say it's a greek word meaning tall or highlanders.

Which CLEARLY is a pathetic and unrealistic answer..As if ANYONE would call a country, state, province after people that are tall...
I guess the greeks couldn't match any other meaning to the name Macedonia in the gayreek language.

As far as I have researched there are hundreds of English words that the greeks say have originated from them (AS IF), but now we see that for some reason they are STILL UNABLE to answer the question for the word GREECE.

WHAT A SHAME!!!

I will be waiting patiently for an answer (IF ANYONE CAN ANSWER IT)..and the answer is not ellas,hellas or ellada.
Romanos

Liverpool, UK

#3 Jan 15, 2008
There are two different sources (and many myths) on the origin of the words 'Hellene' and 'Graikos'.

1. Aristotle tells us, in 'Meteorogika', that in the area of Epirus, which surrounds the Sacred Temple of Dodoni, "first lived the 'SELLOI', who were known amongst themselves as 'GRAIKOI', and then became 'HELLENES'".

2. Homer tells us, in the 'Iliad', that the 'Hellenes' were the tribe of Achilles, a legendary Thessalian King. Note that when Homer referred to the ones we later learnt to refer to as 'Greeks', he never called them 'Hellenes' or 'Graikoi', but rather as 'Achaioi' or 'Danaoi'.

You will notice that, the former (1) are located in Epirus, yet the latter (2) in a different region, called Thessaly. Could there be a connection between them?

The meaning of the word 'Selloi', cannot be traced in the "Hellenic' language per se, thus, we have to analyse its roots on a much older, Indo-European basis. The root 'sel', is found in Latin as sal, or inverted in Ancient Greek as als, which later became 'al-a-s'. This word means 'SEA'. To this day, in my language, this root survives in th-alas-sa, which means 'sea', or 'ala-ti', which means 'SAL-T'. In many languages, this pre-historic term survives in meaning 'SALT'.

The origin of the word 'Thessaly', is found in 'Thesis (S)ALOS', which means,'position of the sea'. Geological discoveries performed on the soil of the Thessalian plain, have shown that this part of land, was, in the distant past, UNDER WATER! Hence, the ancient people that named the region as such could have somehow bizzarly been aware of this fact. These people were collectively known as the 'Thes- SALOI'.

If we combine Aristotle and Homer, we come to the conclusion that both Selloi and Thes-saloi called themselves 'HELLENES', and that their common name is linked to the SEA, the word H-ELL-EN being a Greek derivative of the Indo-European root 'SEL', meaning 'the ones that came from or live near the sea'.

As for the 'Graikoi', which, according to Aristotle appear historically in between the 'Selloi' and the 'Hellenes', the etymological meaning of the word comes through the Indo-European 'Gerai-' or 'Grai-', which means 'OLD and WISE'. This term was possibly linked to the presence of the 'geraioi' Priests of the Temple of Dodoni.

In yet another coincidence, the cult of these Priests was linked to the Olympian Gods, who, as you know, were resident in Thessaly, at Mount Olympus. Later in history, the word Hellene came to mean ‘people of the Hellenic race’, identifiable through religion, lineage and language, before becoming synonymous to what it actually was and has meant through the entire history of the Christian Roman Empire: A WORSHIPPER OF AN ANCIENT CULT, A PAGAN.

In contrast, the word 'Makednoi', meant 'the ones that came from or live near the mountains'. The apparent culture of post-classical Macedonians has led to their confusion with the 'Hellenes'.

The truth lies in this passage of Baron de Montesquieu [at 14] http://www.constitution.org/cm/sol_10.htm
Lizz

United States

#5 Feb 28, 2008
What is the meaning of the word and where does the word Greece come from????Need TO KNOW_-_answer quickly...
GEOROX

Chicago, IL

#6 Feb 28, 2008
Lizz wrote:
What is the meaning of the word and where does the word Greece come from????Need TO KNOW_-_answer quickly...
Aristotle tells us, in 'Meteorogika', that in the area of Epirus (a region in northwestern Greece), which surrounds the Sacred Temple of Dodoni, "first lived the 'SELLOI', who were known amongst themselves as 'GRAIKOI', and then became 'HELLENES'".
'Graikoi', which, according to Aristotle appear historically in between the 'Selloi' and the 'Hellenes', the etymological meaning of the word comes through the Indo-European 'Gerai-' or 'Grai-', which means 'OLD and WISE'. This term was possibly linked to the presence of the 'geraioi' Priests of the Temple of Dodoni.
A colony of these Greeks, the Graikoi, was established in Italy by Cumae, and the Latin tribes living in and around the area came to call all Greek colonists "Graikoi".
The Greeks identified and still identify as Hellenes (or Ellines in Greek).
Hope that wasn't too complicated.

“UNDIVIDED MAKEDONIJA”

Since: Oct 07

LERIN, BITOLA Australia

#7 Mar 2, 2008
Lizz wrote:
What is the meaning of the word and where does the word Greece come from????Need TO KNOW_-_answer quickly...
There is NO MEANING...hhhhhaaaaaaaaahhhhhh hhhaaaaa

But hey for some reason, they were able to make up a meaning of MAKEDONIA...
What jokers these gayreeks are!!!!

“MAKEDONOMAXOS”

Since: Jan 08

ELLAS - MAKEDONIA

#8 Mar 2, 2008
ONE MACEDONIA wrote:
<quoted text>
There is NO MEANING...hhhhhaaaaaaaaahhhhhh hhhaaaaa
But hey for some reason, they were able to make up a meaning of MAKEDONIA...
What jokers these gayreeks are!!!!
The monuments McNut!!!!
Where are the monuments???
Show me the monuments with your Mcslavic language on it.
Show me the censors that shows a nation called Macedonia???
The Macedonian

Scarborough, Canada

#9 Mar 2, 2008
There is no "Ancient" GREECE cause its 19th
century invention.........
hahahahaahahahahahahhhhahahaha hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahaahaahahahahahahah

only Macedonia..........
The Macedonian

Scarborough, Canada

#10 Mar 2, 2008
Greece can change its name to Macedonia,but
sorry that name is taken..........

Hahahahaahahahah you Malaka's,if you want be
Macedonia,Macedonians....Why your country called
Greece.......???
Ahmed

AOL

#11 Mar 2, 2008
1913-2013........5 more years.
GEOROX

Chicago, IL

#12 Mar 2, 2008
Ahmed wrote:
1913-2013........5 more years.
Alah Akhbar!!!
Asalam Alaikum!!!
You will be saying those words very soon my friend.
And please refresh my memory, where does it state anywhere that there is an expiration date on the Treaty of Bucharest?

“MAKEDONOMAXOS”

Since: Jan 08

ELLAS - MAKEDONIA

#13 Mar 2, 2008
Ahmed wrote:
1913-2013........5 more years.
What will happen in 5 years?
Please do tell. And show us the 100 year contract also that a nation by the name of Macedonia signed any Bucharest treaty?

“MAKEDONOMAXOS”

Since: Jan 08

ELLAS - MAKEDONIA

#14 Mar 2, 2008
The Macedonian wrote:
There is no "Ancient" GREECE cause its 19th
century invention.........
hahahahaahahahahahahhhhahahaha hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahaahaahahahahahahah
only Macedonia..........
Keep on reading your McSlavic history books whilst the world refences Makedonia to Ellas...

Alexander joining the Greek city states.
&fe ature=related
Alexander – Engineering an Empire
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“MAKEDONOMAXOS”

Since: Jan 08

ELLAS - MAKEDONIA

#15 Mar 2, 2008
The Macedonian wrote:
Greece can change its name to Macedonia,but
sorry that name is taken..........
Hahahahaahahahah you Malaka's,if you want be
Macedonia,Macedonians....Why your country called
Greece.......???
Because Ellas references all other Greek city states and kingdoms Malaka!!!!
Eg. Makedonia,
Pelloponesos
Sparta etc etc etc

Eg...
USA references
NY
IL
NJ
CHICAGO ETC ETC ETC...

Australia references
Victoria
NSW
QLD etc etc etc

SKOPJE/FYROM References
Bitola
Skopje
Ohrid etc etc etc...

Katalaves Albane??
Ahmed

AOL

#16 Mar 2, 2008
What was the name of the province of macedonia in greece prior to 1988 ?1

Since: Jun 07

REAL Macedonia-Greece

#17 Mar 2, 2008
Ahmed wrote:
What was the name of the province of macedonia in greece prior to 1988 ?1
GREEKS NEVER STOPPED NAMING MACEDONIA AS MACEDONIA
Go check any map in any year u want , go check history books in state schools go see the teams of Basketball & soccer when played in Europe for ever PAOK ARIS MAKEDONIKOS all from MACEDONIA
go check the newspapers of macedonia check the stamps check the festivals of any kind that took place in Macedonia. And all this b4 SLAVS even used the word Macedonia. We Greeks of Macedonia never stopped 4 thousands of years to talk about Macedonia.

FYROMIAN CHEAP PROPAGANDA
The term "Macedonia" was banned in Greece until 1988? haha
Others say Greece renamed northern Greece to Macedonia in 1992 haha
What a cheap way of confronting us!
Lie lies lies=thats the fyromians alright!
-TIME Magazine Monday July 23 1945:
"The Greek Governor General of Macedonia said........."
-Copy/paste this '&#949;&#966;&#951 ;&#956;&#949;&#961 ;&#953;&#948;&#945 ; &#956;&#945;&#954; &#949;&#948;&#959; &#957;&#953;&#945; ' and do a google for pictures. You'll come up with several hundred of clips of the newspaper Makedonia dated from 1903.

The New York times. Tuesday, August 31, 1886:

"This would involve the young Bulgarian King in precisely such a crime as the Czar is evidently willing to commit in seizing Bulgaria, for Macedonia is Greek, not Slav, by preponderance of population, and to unite her with Bulgaria would set Greece in a terrible, frenzy, besides being a real wrong upon her people".

EVEN NEWSPAPER "&#924;&#913; &#922;&#917;&#916; &#927;&#925;&#921; &#913;" IS OLDER THAN UR STINKY SHITHOLE SCOPIJE
Copy/paste this '&#949;&#966;&#951 ;&#956;&#949;&#961 ;&#953;&#948;&#945 ; &#956;&#945;&#954; &#949;&#948;&#959; &#957;&#953;&#945; ' and do a google for pictures. You'll come up with several hundred of clips of the newspaper Makedonia dated from 1903.
Right after the region's liberation we set up the 'general seretary' of Makedonia, you could read G F Abbott's Macedonian folklore where you'll find accounts not only of the name but of the Hellenic saying Alexander? lives, he lives and reigns

Since: Jun 07

REAL Macedonia-Greece

#18 Mar 2, 2008
HERE WE GO AGAIN

IF
DEUTCHLAND ISNT GERMANY
NEDERLANDS ISNT HOLLAND
Magyarország ISNT HUNGARY
HELVETIA ISNT SWITZERLAND
Shqipëria ISNT ALBANIA
POLSKA ISNT POLAND
Sverige ISNT SWEDEN
Österreich ISNT AUSTRIA
Suomi ISNT FINLAND
LETTONIA ISNT LATVIA
Lëtzebuerg ISNT LUXEMBOURG
Birmania ISNT MYANMAR
Alba ISNT SCOTLAND
España ISNT SPAIN
Ceylon ISNT SRI LANKA
Cymru ISNT WALES

THEN ELLAS ISNT GREECE

A repeat 4 deniers of self-evident
GREECE=ELLAS
WHATS ur PROBLEM ABOUT THE NAME "GREECE"?
WER ELLINES OUR COUNTRY ELLAS
WE NEVER STOPPED CALLING US ELLINES
What if OTHERS call us by various names [Greece Yunanistan Grecia Berdzeni Griekeland Gorogorszag Girisha Groeg Yavan Dayuan Wade Yavana Xila Hy Lap Saberdzneti]?
WHAT IS UR PROBLEM HOW OTHERS CALL US?
JUST COZ ROMANS prefered the ancient ELLENIC "GREKOS" MEANS WE STOPPED CALLING OURSELVES ELLINES? doz it mean Greeks & Ellines rnt the same?

THE NAME "GREECE IS OLDER THAN "ELLAS"
The name 'Greek' is in fact ancient as well, as the famous philosopher Aristotelis verifies:
"...and she was not there forever, but after the cataclysm of Defkalion, which occurred in the Hellenic area, in fact, in the ancient Hellas, which was around Dodoni, and it changed many times the flow of Acheloos river. In that area live the Selloi and the ones that were once called Graecoi and are now called Hellenes..." [Aristotelis Meteorologika, I, 14]

ITS NOT OUR FAULT IF SOME CALL US OTHER THAN ELLINES.
WE NEVER STOPPED-understand?
Romans used the ancient term grekos [which meant, old autochtonous of earth] 2 define the oldest people of the region which were THE eLLINES-
THIS IS ANOTHER TESTIMONY OF OUR AUTOCTHONOUS ORIGIN!
ROMANS used the pro-ellenic TERM "GREEK" at a time that themsleves defined as Ellines. So as u can see we r talking about same people. Ellines did not become other people over a night when were conquered by Romans

the name graekos existed long b4 romans appeard stupidofski. The Romans simply used this term coz the Greeks that were living in Rome b4 any roman empire were from the graekos race

"KAI ELLENES ONOMESTHESAN TO PROTERON GRAIKOI KALOYMENOI."
Means "Hellenes named they who before called Greek."
http://www.hellenicpantheon.gr/ParionAr.htm

For us Greeks our nation was a loose commonwealth of Greek regions living in the balkans, in Minor Asia & south Italy. All had their local leaders. Filippos started to change this by unifying Greeks
Megas Alexandros finished the job uniting all Greeks even in Greek Asia Minor. Our Empire the Macedonian Empire is our nation back then, til the Roman conquest.Which Greeks spiritually overturned by gaining the eastern part under Greek RULED the Byzantio, which now is the Greek nation. After 360 years Greeks kicked out the Turks & recreated part of Greek nation
History has a continuation. No form of country will erase or distort it. No borders can frame history.
Greeks , like other people, have a continuation.
We dont like others to claim our history, our achievments
Ahmed

AOL

#20 Mar 2, 2008
The situation in which Macedonia finds itself today can be traced back to the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. As a result of the Treaty of Bucharest, Macedonia was partitioned among Serbia, Greece, and Bulgaria. These regions are known as the Republic of Macedonia (independent since 1991), Aegean Macedonia (presently within the borders of Greece), and Pirin Macedonia (within the borders of Bulgaria). A small part of Macedonia was given to Albania in 1919 (known as Mala Prespa and Golo Brdo).

Upon annexation of Macedonia's territory, each country began terrorist campaigns aimed at expelling or forcibly assimilating the indigenous Macedonian population. Greece, in particular, began an intense campaign in order to eradicate the existence of Macedonia through a horrific policy of cultural genocide and ethnic cleansing. They outlawed the term Macedonia and proceeded to rename this region "Northern Greece". They changed the names of Macedonian people, villages, and landmarks from Macedonian to Greek. Bulgaria and Greece continue to deny the existence of their large Macedonian minorities to this day and refuse to grant them human rights. The human rights violations have been well-documented. Albania offers its Macedonian minority limited human rights but the situation does not compare to the human rights and freedoms enjoyed by the Albanian minority in the Republic of Macedonia.

Before 1988, and the Republic of Macedonia's imminent independence in 1991, the official Greek policy was to deny the very existence of the name Macedonia. In fear of losing valuable territory, Greece's position has changed dramatically. Now, propaganda that "Macedonia is 4000 years of Greek history" is the official Greek position. It is ironic that the very country that tried to eradicate Macedonia's existence now claims it as its own. Furthermore, if Macedonia has always been Greek, why did the Greek government deny its existence until 1988? This website will outline the various aspects of Macedonia, including it's long history, culture and the continued human rights violations that the Macedonians face in Greece, Bulgaria and Albania

“UNDIVIDED MAKEDONIJA”

Since: Oct 07

LERIN, BITOLA Australia

#21 Mar 2, 2008
The Macedonian wrote:
There is no "Ancient" GREECE cause its 19th
century invention.........
hahahahaahahahahahahhhhahahaha hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahaahaahahahahahahah
only Macedonia..........
That's right...I'll laugh with you

hhhhaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaa aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaahhh hhaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa aaaaa

Since: Jun 07

REAL Macedonia-Greece

#22 Mar 2, 2008
WHEN WE MACEDONIANS WERE SPEADING GREEK CULTURE LANGUAGE CIVILIZATION, BEING PROUD OF OUR GREEK BLOOD, U GYPSIES WHERE AT MONGOLIA LIVING IN CAVES EATING UR SHIT & FUCKING GOATS.
Greece freed Macedonia from tURKISH occupation.How do u think U Bulgarians got there?
They were HELPED BY TURKS killing & stealing our lands.
Do not complain fuken idiot. When u play with Greece, u play with fire..That should had given u more wisdom.

OUR PAST SHOULD GUIDE US TO THE future, u may prefer to overlook history ,but u should respect that these lands were always Greek from the dawn of history,since people organized as nations, the Macedonians were Greeks, they never denied being GREEK. History did not start at 700AD when u slavs came to the balkans or at 1912 when Greeks freed 95% of Macedonia. And the fact that these lands at times were occupied by romans slavs,bulgars ottomans does not erase the historical truth of its Greeknes

The 1904 Ottoman census of Hilma Pasha recorded-
Thessaloniki-
GREEKS 373,227
BULGARIANS 204,317
Monastiri(Bitola)
GREEKS 261,283
BULGARIANS 178,412

NO SIGN OF ANY "PSEUDOMACEDONIANS."

TRUTH IS PAINFUL
If Ottomans hadnt conquered Greece [Macedonia] now Fyromians wouldnt even exist. Ottomans had fear over Greeks & deported them wherever they could [all surrounding areas Hepirus,Macedonia Thrace] Slowly Bulgarians grew in this region and as a result the isolation of people ended up creating a distinct dialect of Bulgarslav language.They never defined themselves as macedonians, but only recently separated from the rest of bulgars & used the GREEK name of Macedonia

German Dr. K. Ostreich 1905
Originally the population of Macedonia was Hellenic, but it won so many victories over the Slavs, and took so many prisoners of war, that linguistic difficulties arose. The Slavs being then, as now, notoriously stupid, would not learn Greek, so the Greeks were forced to learn Slav in order to have a means of giving orders to their servants. Little by little they forgot their own language, and the ‘Bulgarophone Greek’ of modern Macedonia is the result

Why do Slavobulgars ignore that From the dawn of history even through the ottoman empire in Greek [kryfo sholio] "hidden schools" always Greeks studied about their macedonian culture-THEY NEVER STOPPED CALLING THIS STATE OF GREECE, MACEDONIA-IT WAS ALWAYS A PART OF GREECE .THEY NEVER STOPPED BEING PROUD OF THEIR PAST-but never in the past SOMEONE DARED TO QUESTION THE GREEKNESS OF MACEDONIA-So how do u think anyone would believe GYPSOSLAVOSCOPIANS sudden desire to be called Macedonians?

SLAVIC INVASION OCCURED 6TH AD CENTURY, THIS IS WELL DOCUMENTED. EVEN THE NEGOCIATIONS BETWEEN THEM & BYZANTINE GREEKS R RECORDED. THEIR WISH TO SETTLE IN THE BALKANS IS WRITTEN & STILL EXISTS. Emeperor Michail of Byzantine agreed to let them settle if they become christians & protect the borders, he even sent Greek monks Kyrillos & Methodios to give them an alphabet. Slav leader Ratsilav agreed to all.Nevertheless later they took advantage of Greek hospitality & inhabit southern Greek lands
Pas Mi Ellin Barbaros

Athens, Greece

#23 Mar 2, 2008
esti men oun Hellas kai hê Makedonia

"Macedonia is of course part of Greece"

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext...

Well i got you the best part to see where is ancient Greece mentioned...

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