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Nick the Greek

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That a small Slavic statelet like FYRoM endeavours to acquire for usurpation, a Greek-Hellenic name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes, the Greeks find perplexing. There is something sinister in wanting to take another peoples name for your name, and when FYRoM pushes to have their Nationality-status, Ethnicity-status and Linguistic-status classified as Macedonian...the Greeks take offense, they see it as a direct threat to the existance of the Nation state of Hellas.

If this configuration were ever to be legitimized:

1 - Country-Name........Macedonian
2 - Nationality.........Macedonian
3 - Ethnicity..........Macedonian
4 - Language..........Macedonian

Greeks would riot. Macedonia for Greece constitutes a large part of the country's Northern geographical-territory. The Greeks would lose in an instant, one of their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal names where more than 2.5 Million Greeks self-Identify as Macedonians in the regional sense.

Nationality follows the country-name, whilst ethnicity follows the language-name, FYRoM fights for this. Proxy - FYRoM fights to obtain these Identity factors in order to take Macedonia away from the Greeks.

Sinister moves. Slavist philologists gave them a language and name it Macedonian-language in 1944. Communists gave them a country and named it "Peoples Republic of Macedonia" in 1945 which became a Socialist Republic in 1946. These actions were hostile actions directed at Greece.

Looking back: Something was not right in naming a Serbo-Bulgarian language to Macedonian-language...when it is known that Macedonians
are a regional-historic population group of ethnic-Greeks.

Linguists and Philologists of today are the first to admit that FYRoM's language was Misnamed to Macedonian-language for political reasons in 1944, nothing more!

The Serbo-Bulgarian language that is spoken today by the Slavs of FYRoM has no ethnic relatedness to the Hellenic language that was spoken in antiquity by Alexander the Great but the children - pupils -students there believe it to be the one and same language!

Linguists - Philologists - Demographers - Ethnogenists - Historians: All of them support Greece in it's fight to defend - protect it's National-history, heritage and cultural-inheritance from FYRoM's callous state sponsored diaspora-driven anti-Hellenic propaganda.
The Ovchar

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2.5 Million "greeks" with roots in Asia Minor not more than a generation ago...these settlers were uprooted in some confounded great power chess game to change the ethnic composition of not only Asia Minor but of the newly occuppied Aegean Macedonia...

Sad to say...this unprecidented population exchange was a big mistake...and we ALL feel the consequences of it today.

Like your Asia Minor refugees ripped from their homeland we too were ripped from ours in this massive upheaval of people.

So to say that 2.5 Million "greeks" identify with the Macedonian experience i say yes, as occuppiers they did experience about a generation and a half of living on Macedonian land.

The Macedonian refugees and the ones who stayed behind saw their world change overnight...

To say that we are not Macedonian even though we were there before your occuppation and administration of your new province is the root of the problem.

The real task here is to reassemble and understand intimately what the hell happened during the last century...kind of a truth commission like the one in post apartied south africa...so that the future can be cleared of any old baggage...

This is the way to solve this problem between our peoples.

Ancient history on the other hand should not factor into this modern problem...should be studied and further explored but should not cloud the REAL issues which are only 2-3 generations old...

The Ovchar is watching
EDEN DEN E SEGA
EDEN DEN perhaps we will reach a long lasting peace and break bread.
Nick the Greek wrote:
That a small Slavic statelet like FYRoM endeavours to acquire for usurpation, a Greek-Hellenic name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes, the Greeks find perplexing. There is something sinister in wanting to take another peoples name for your name, and when FYRoM pushes to have their Nationality-status, Ethnicity-status and Linguistic-status classified as Macedonian...the Greeks take offense, they see it as a direct threat to the existance of the Nation state of Hellas.
If this configuration were ever to be legitimized:
1 - Country-Name........Macedonian
2 - Nationality.........Macedonian
3 - Ethnicity..........Macedonian
4 - Language..........Macedonian
Greeks would riot. Macedonia for Greece constitutes a large part of the country's Northern geographical-territory. The Greeks would lose in an instant, one of their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal names where more than 2.5 Million Greeks self-Identify as Macedonians in the regional sense.
Nationality follows the country-name, whilst ethnicity follows the language-name, FYRoM fights for this. Proxy - FYRoM fights to obtain these Identity factors in order to take Macedonia away from the Greeks.
Sinister moves. Slavist philologists gave them a language and name it Macedonian-language in 1944. Communists gave them a country and named it "Peoples Republic of Macedonia" in 1945 which became a Socialist Republic in 1946. These actions were hostile actions directed at Greece.
Looking back: Something was not right in naming a Serbo-Bulgarian language to Macedonian-language...when it is known that Macedonians
are a regional-historic population group of ethnic-Greeks.
Linguists and Philologists of today are the first to admit that FYRoM's language was Misnamed to Macedonian-language for political reasons in 1944, nothing more!
The Serbo-Bulgarian language that is spoken today by the Slavs of FYRoM has no ethnic relatedness to the Hellenic language that was spoken in antiquity by Alexander the Great but the children - pupils -students there believe it to be the one and same language!
Linguists - Philologists - Demographers - Ethnogenists - Historians: All of them support Greece in it's fight to defend - protect it's National-history, heritage and cultural-inheritance from FYRoM's callous state sponsored diaspora-driven anti-Hellenic propaganda.
CANADEZOS

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The Ovchar wrote:
2.5 Million "greeks" with roots in Asia Minor not more than a generation ago...these settlers were uprooted in some confounded great power chess game to change the ethnic composition of not only Asia Minor but of the newly occuppied Aegean Macedonia...
Sad to say...this unprecidented population exchange was a big mistake...and we ALL feel the consequences of it today.
Like your Asia Minor refugees ripped from their homeland we too were ripped from ours in this massive upheaval of people.
So to say that 2.5 Million "greeks" identify with the Macedonian experience i say yes, as occuppiers they did experience about a generation and a half of living on Macedonian land.
The Macedonian refugees and the ones who stayed behind saw their world change overnight...
To say that we are not Macedonian even though we were there before your occuppation and administration of your new province is the root of the problem.
The real task here is to reassemble and understand intimately what the hell happened during the last century...kind of a truth commission like the one in post apartied south africa...so that the future can be cleared of any old baggage...
This is the way to solve this problem between our peoples.
Ancient history on the other hand should not factor into this modern problem...should be studied and further explored but should not cloud the REAL issues which are only 2-3 generations old...
The Ovchar is watching
EDEN DEN E SEGA
EDEN DEN perhaps we will reach a long lasting peace and break bread.
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PROVIDE EVIDENCE ILLITERATE SHAMELESS SLAVOBULGARIAN LYING RIDICULE==>>THAT BEFORE 1912 MACEDONIA BELONGED TO YOU!!!IF YOU ANY BALLS THAT IS!WHICH I DOUBT YOU WILL GUTLESS LYING SLAVOPICHIKA!
The Ovchar

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What you talking bout Willis?
We were there in 1913 on our properties...the pontians were not.

What evidence do you need?
CANADEZOS wrote:
<quoted text>PROVIDE EVIDENCE ILLITERATE SHAMELESS SLAVOBULGARIAN LYING RIDICULE==>>THAT BEFORE 1912 MACEDONIA BELONGED TO YOU!!!IF YOU ANY BALLS THAT IS!WHICH I DOUBT YOU WILL GUTLESS LYING SLAVOPICHIKA!
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The Ovchar wrote:
What you talking bout Willis?
We were there in 1913 on our properties...the pontians were not.
What evidence do you need?
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YUGOSLAVIAN SLAVIC IMBECILE!BEFORE 1912 MACEDONIA WAS AN OTTOMAN PROPERTY==>>IT WAS NOT YOURS!THERE WERE OTHER ETHNIC PEOPLE LIVING THERE BESIDES YOU!==>>SO WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TODAY TO MONOPOLIZE THE HELLENIC NAME OF MACEDONIA!WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY BORN HELLENIC!
*** THE PONTIANS WERE HELLENIC PEOPLE! WHILE YOU WERE SLAVOBULGARIANS INVADERS FKN SLAVS! NOT HELLENES==>>MACEDONIAN NOTHING!
Nick the Greek

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Ethic-Greeks - Thats the important-factor!

If dispora Canadians went back home to FYRoM...would they be considered Canadians or ethnic-Slavs returning home to FYRoM.

The population exchanges between Turkey - Greece and between Bulgaria - Greece were actioned under strick controls and guide-lines...overseen by the proper and correct legal bodies of the time.

Those you call Christian Turks were in fact diaspora Ethnic-Greeks from Anatolia returning home to Greece under a population exchange programme.
The Ovchar

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Ethnic Greeks - Thats the IMPORTED factor.

I M P O R T E D...

Diaspora greeks?
Legal bodies?
Strict controls?

A great power chess game in our eyes...

You telling me that the ones from Asia Minor have NO feelings about their ancestral homeland back in Asia Minor where they lived for centuries?

We Canadians of Macedonian decent came here as Macedonians as is well documented in the Canadian and American documentation on our arrival since the late 1800's.
Nick the Greek wrote:
Ethic-Greeks - Thats the important-factor!
If dispora Canadians went back home to FYRoM...would they be considered Canadians or ethnic-Slavs returning home to FYRoM.
The population exchanges between Turkey - Greece and between Bulgaria - Greece were actioned under strick controls and guide-lines...overseen by the proper and correct legal bodies of the time.
Those you call Christian Turks were in fact diaspora Ethnic-Greeks from Anatolia returning home to Greece under a population exchange programme.
Nick the Greek

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The Ovchar wrote:
Ethnic Greeks - Thats the IMPORTED factor.
I M P O R T E D...
Diaspora greeks?
Legal bodies?
Strict controls?
A great power chess game in our eyes...
You telling me that the ones from Asia Minor have NO feelings about their ancestral homeland back in Asia Minor where they lived for centuries?
We Canadians of Macedonian decent came here as Macedonians as is well documented in the Canadian and American documentation on our arrival since the late 1800's.
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Exchanged...This is the important factor!

Anatolian-Greeks, an ancient - historic - people-group of ethnic-Greek stock took part in a population exchange programme between Turkey and Greece.

Anatolians from Greek-heritage uprooted themselves to go back home.
It was the lesser of two evils...had they stayed, the eastern-asiatic, oriental-Musulman Turk would have butchered them during those upheavals from the first decades of the 19th Century AD.

Canadian Slavs - going back home to FYRoM would stay Canadian, using your logic.

Looking back: What suffering our forebears must have gone through!
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CANADEZOS wrote:
<quoted text>YUGOSLAVIAN SLAVIC IMBECILE!BEFORE 1912 MACEDONIA WAS AN OTTOMAN PROPERTY==>>IT WAS NOT YOURS!THERE WERE OTHER ETHNIC PEOPLE LIVING THERE BESIDES YOU!==>>SO WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TODAY TO MONOPOLIZE THE HELLENIC NAME OF MACEDONIA!WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY BORN HELLENIC!
*** THE PONTIANS WERE HELLENIC PEOPLE! WHILE YOU WERE SLAVOBULGARIANS INVADERS FKN SLAVS! NOT HELLENES==>>MACEDONIAN NOTHING!
Here are the real pure Greeks!
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/truema...
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http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/truema...
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Nick the Greek wrote:
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Exchanged...This is the important factor!
Anatolian-Greeks, an ancient - historic - people-group of ethnic-Greek stock took part in a population exchange programme between Turkey and Greece.
Anatolians from Greek-heritage uprooted themselves to go back home.
It was the lesser of two evils...had they stayed, the eastern-asiatic, oriental-Musulman Turk would have butchered them during those upheavals from the first decades of the 19th Century AD.
Canadian Slavs - going back home to FYRoM would stay Canadian, using your logic.
Looking back: What suffering our forebears must have gone through!
give us evidence you greek gypsie.

We serb have figure you out!

You are just gypsies

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

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The Ovchar wrote:
2.5 Million "greeks" with roots in Asia Minor not more than a generation ago..........
They are descents of Macedonian soldiers.
They have never stopped reading Plutarch's "Fortune and Virtue of Alexander".
Try it: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/macedonia/TO...
Nick the Greek

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give us evidence you greek gypsie.
We serb have figure you out!
You are just gypsies
Pathetic TurkoSlavoMongol!

Go Home Abdulovic!
The Ovchar

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A stretch that would make Richard Simmons blush...

Flock off gerk...lying dweeb.
Istor wrote:
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They are descents of Macedonian soldiers.
They have never stopped reading Plutarch's "Fortune and Virtue of Alexander".
Try it: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/macedonia/TO...
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For me i would have to go back to greek occuppied Macedonia since that is where my roots are...

Your logic is confounded with double standards to the point that you dont even know what principle you are fighting for.

Cant have it both ways...in cyprus, in asia minor and in albania.

All what you are saying is such a stretch that it would make even Richard Simmons blush...
Nick the Greek wrote:
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Exchanged...This is the important factor!
Anatolian-Greeks, an ancient - historic - people-group of ethnic-Greek stock took part in a population exchange programme between Turkey and Greece.
Anatolians from Greek-heritage uprooted themselves to go back home.
It was the lesser of two evils...had they stayed, the eastern-asiatic, oriental-Musulman Turk would have butchered them during those upheavals from the first decades of the 19th Century AD.
Canadian Slavs - going back home to FYRoM would stay Canadian, using your logic.
Looking back: What suffering our forebears must have gone through!
Nick the Greek

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The Ovchar wrote:
For me i would have to go back to greek occuppied Macedonia since that is where my roots are...
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Better under the Greek...than under the Turk, right Ovchar Wonk!

Shame, you guys alienated a whole Nation of Hellenes and the global-Greek diaspora!

We focus on every move you make and every word you say...about Greeks!

We No forget your Silliness!

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

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A stretch that would make Richard Simmons blush...
Flock off gerk...lying dweeb.
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What bre MALAKA !!?

Have they ever stopped reading proudly Plutarch's "Fortune and Virtue of Alexander" ??
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The Ovchar wrote:
2.5 Million "greeks" with roots in Asia Minor
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Over 500,000 Greeks lived in what would later become Greek Macedonia (making them the largest ethnic component) BEFORE any population exchange between Bulgaria or Turkey. Ethnic ”Makedonski” did not exist back then! Greeks made up the majority population of Greek Macedonia, followed by Turks, Bulgarians, Jews, Vlachs, Albanians, etc.

League of Nations - The Greek Settlement
http://books.google.com/books...

”In Crete there were still many Turks; in Epirus and Macedonia, there were Albanians, Kutzo-Vlachs, Jews (in Salonika), Bulgars and smaller racial remnants. It was estimated that Greek Macedonia contained, in 1912, 513,000 Greeks as against 475,000 Moslems, 119,000 Bulgars, and 98,000 Jews and other races.”

Expelling the Germans: British opinion and post-1945 population transfer in context By Matthew James Frank (Oxford University Press - page 23)
http://books.google.com/books...

”Macedonia`s Orthodox Greek population increased from 43 to 89 per cent between 1912 and 1926; whereas its Moslem population in the meantime fell from 39.4 per cent to an infinitesimal 0.1 per cent.”
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The Ovchar wrote:
What evidence do you need?
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ANYTHING!

Documentation from the Ottoman Archives, censuses, travel literature, etc. Something (except a fyromian source!)!
The Ovchar

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Nah...you guys tried to erase us in every way.

We were and still are in the way of your MEGALI idea...

You didnt finish the job...we exist and are spread across the globe and will continue to resist your genocide until the very last one.

You can have your masters play chess for you as you allways have.

We will not simply dissappear at the whim of your mislead pride.

EDEN DEN E SEGA
GORE GLAVATA na cite Macedonci

LEST WE FORGET
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Better under the Greek...than under the Turk, right Ovchar Wonk!
Shame, you guys alienated a whole Nation of Hellenes and the global-Greek diaspora!
We focus on every move you make and every word you say...about Greeks!
We No forget your Silliness!
The Ovchar

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How about property records for the evicted...
Apparently you dont even recognize your own Government's land titles...something that METAXAS the dictator taught you well.

EDEN DEN E SEGA
We will continue to resist your Genocide

The Ovchar is watching...his flock so flock off Gerk and get off our sacred land.
GEOROX wrote:
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ANYTHING!
Documentation from the Ottoman Archives, censuses, travel literature, etc. Something (except a fyromian source!)!

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