Inappropriate Analogy for Greece-Macedonia Name Dispute

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Athens and Skopje face a [ prisoner's dilemma ]: if neither side believes that a solution is possible, and acts on this, both will lose.

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Nick the Greek

Aberdeen, UK

#1 Dec 15, 2012
The best analogy is this one...

Two John Smiths could live in peace, side by side next door to each other...but if one John Smith attempts to adopt-usurp the Identity of the other one, that would be called Identity theft but in FYRoM's case, cultural thievery!

“God loves Macedonia !”

Since: Dec 08

Skopje

#2 Dec 15, 2012
Nick the Greek wrote:
The best analogy is this one...
Two John Smiths could live in peace, side by side next door to each other...but if one John Smith attempts to adopt-usurp the Identity of the other one, that would be called Identity theft but in FYRoM's case, cultural thievery!
That is best analogy for Greek usurpation.
We allow you to call your region Macedonia,
we allow you to call yourselves "Greeks-but-Macedonians "
You don't.
Now, who is the bad neighbour?
Panos

Greece

#3 Dec 15, 2012
Marko MK wrote:
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That is best analogy for Greek usurpation.
We allow you to call your region Macedonia,
we allow you to call yourselves "Greeks-but-Macedonians "
You don't.
Now, who is the bad neighbour?
I dont have problems if you want to call your country upper macedonia.I mean your country is officialy part of the macedonia area since from 1850 and you lived many many years with us in greek macedonia.The only thing we want is to accept that ancient macedonians were greeks and stop your claims in thessaloniki and in greek macedonia.
Bronzilla

Thessaloníki, Greece

#4 Dec 15, 2012
Marko MK wrote:
<quoted text>
That is best analogy for Greek usurpation.
We allow you to call your region Macedonia,
we allow you to call yourselves "Greeks-but-Macedonians "
You don't.
Now, who is the bad neighbour?
YOU allow US ??!!!!!!

hahahaha

little bulgarian

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#5 Dec 15, 2012
Greece cannot allow any non Greek people to monopolize the name of Macedonia because Macedonian identity is a crucial component of Greek identity.

Greeks cannot allow any non-Greek people to monopolize the name of Macedonia because Germans, Turks, Albanians,... canot allow any foreign people to monopolize the name of Bavaria, Ottoman, Gegh,.....
Bronzilla

Thessaloníki, Greece

#6 Dec 15, 2012
Panos wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont have problems if you want to call your country upper macedonia.I mean your country is officialy part of the macedonia area since from 1850 and you lived many many years with us in greek macedonia.The only thing we want is to accept that ancient macedonians were greeks and stop your claims in thessaloniki and in greek macedonia.
was a nice analysis yesterday Balkans ins....

no upper no left no nothing

Vardar is the best (for the author)

for me NO Makedonia is the best otherwise sooner or later we will kill them

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#7 Dec 15, 2012
Panos wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont have problems if you want to call your country upper macedonia.I mean your country is officialy part of the macedonia area since from 1850 and you lived many many years with us in greek macedonia. The only thing we want is to accept that ancient macedonians were greeks and stop your claims in thessaloniki and in greek macedonia.
officialy ??

hahahahahaha
I want to see that !!

Skopje was capital of Kossovo vilaet until 1912.
Panos

Greece

#8 Dec 15, 2012
Istor wrote:
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officialy ??
hahahahahaha
I want to see that !!
Skopje was capital of Kossovo vilaet until 1912.
Ola ta ELLINIKA sxolika vivlia mexri ti dekaetia tou 50 exoyn tin perioxi ton skopion ws Vardar Macedonia i serviki makedonia

“God loves Macedonia !”

Since: Dec 08

Skopje

#9 Dec 15, 2012
Istor wrote:
Greece cannot allow any non Greek people to monopolize the name of Macedonia because Macedonian identity is a crucial component of Greek identity.
Greeks cannot allow any non-Greek people to monopolize the name of Macedonia because Germans, Turks, Albanians,... canot allow any foreign people to monopolize the name of Bavaria, Ottoman, Gegh,.....
Greeks cannot allow because they conquered Aegean Macedonia in 1913.

“God loves Macedonia !”

Since: Dec 08

Skopje

#10 Dec 15, 2012
Bronzilla wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU allow US ??!!!!!!
hahahaha
little bulgarian
Yes. We allow you. You want good neighbour relations. Undestand? RELATIONS.

Relation understands 2 sides.

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#11 Dec 15, 2012
Panos wrote:
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Ola ta ELLINIKA sxolika vivlia mexri ti dekaetia tou 50 exoyn tin perioxi ton skopion ws Vardar Macedonia i serviki makedonia
hahahahaha
9a mou dei3eis kanena ??

( yparxei den yparxei, afto einai la9os, etsi?)
Panos

Greece

#12 Dec 15, 2012
Marko MK wrote:
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Greeks cannot allow because they conquered Aegean Macedonia in 1913.
We lived peacufully in Aegean Macedonia ,Greeks and Slavs, for many many years.The macedonian struggle was a game between the country of Greece and the country of Bulgaria to take Macedonia for them.Simple people did not have problems each other.
Bronzilla

Thessaloníki, Greece

#13 Dec 15, 2012
Marko MK wrote:
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Yes. We allow you. You want good neighbour relations. Undestand? RELATIONS.
Relation understands 2 sides.
are you a slavized Makedonian my friend? ;))
Panos

Greece

#14 Dec 15, 2012
Istor wrote:
<quoted text>
hahahahaha
9a mou dei3eis kanena ??
( yparxei den yparxei, afto einai la9os, etsi?)
Piges sxoleio den piges?Gia rixe mia matia sta vivlia tis gewgrafias soy.To paradextikan episis kai o Yannis21 kai o Hercules.
the ovchar

Kitchener, Canada

#15 Dec 15, 2012
The analogy that best describes the Macedonian experience under Greek occupation and denial of voice is the PLANET OF THE APES.

Now dr zaius can blow up the evidence in the cave and destroy the talking human doll while he spins his propaganda.

Take your dirty paws off me you damned dirty ape!!! Charleton Heston Circa 1968 'bright eyes'

I'd kiss youi but you are too damn ugly.

This whole thing is about Civil and Human rights...which Gaylada (ape city) choses to ignor...

Eden den e sega

The Ovchar is watching...
Best Analogy

Aberdeen, UK

#16 Dec 15, 2012
The best analogy is this one...

Two John Smiths could live in peace, side by side next door to each other...but if one John Smith decides to adopt-usurp the Identity of the other one, that would be called Identity theft but in FYRoM's case, cultural thievery!

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#17 Dec 15, 2012
Panos wrote:
<quoted text>
Piges sxoleio den piges?Gia rixe mia matia sta vivlia tis gewgrafias soy.To paradextikan episis kai o Yannis21 kai o Hercules.
Milas gia meta to 1950 ?

Einai omws la9os, etsi ??
Panos

Greece

#18 Dec 15, 2012
Istor wrote:
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Milas gia meta to 1950 ?
Einai omws la9os, etsi ??
Mexri kai ti dekaetia tou 1990.Einai mia lorida gis panw stis Prespes.
STOJAN

Newmarket, Canada

#19 Dec 15, 2012
Panos wrote:
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I dont have problems if you want to call your country upper macedonia.I mean your country is officialy part of the macedonia area since from 1850 and you lived many many years with us in greek macedonia.The only thing we want is to accept that ancient macedonians were greeks and stop your claims in thessaloniki and in greek macedonia.
"Slav" claim was an old communistic propaganda influenced by Russia and Yugoslavia during the period while Macedonia was part of communist Yugoslavia (1945-1991)
The roots of the Macedonians are in ancient Macedonia in Europe since 8th century BC. This is the reason why they call themselves Macedonians and not "Slavs" ever since that 8th century BC, including today.
Historical evidence shows that the Macedonians have called themselves "Macedonians" in every century since Alexander, both before and after the coming of the Slavs in Macedonia in the 6th century. It is the Slavs that assimilated into the Macedonians, not wise-versa, and the Macedonians continued to call themselves what they are - Macedonians.
And most convincing of all the fact that the genetic research had proven that the Macedonians are not Slavs but have a direct descent from the ancient Macedonians.
The Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia, and Macedonian minorities in Greece, Bulgaria, and Albania, continue to proudly call themselves "Macedonians" and consider the "Slav" label an insult and racial slur.
Much greater detail on the direct descent of today's Macedonians from the ancient Macedonians is found in "THE DESCENDANTS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT OF MACEDON - The arguments and evidence that today's Macedonians are descendants of the ancient Macedonians"
Panos

Greece

#21 Dec 15, 2012
STOJAN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Slav" claim was an old communistic propaganda influenced by Russia and Yugoslavia during the period while Macedonia was part of communist Yugoslavia (1945-1991)
The roots of the Macedonians are in ancient Macedonia in Europe since 8th century BC. This is the reason why they call themselves Macedonians and not "Slavs" ever since that 8th century BC, including today.
Historical evidence shows that the Macedonians have called themselves "Macedonians" in every century since Alexander, both before and after the coming of the Slavs in Macedonia in the 6th century. It is the Slavs that assimilated into the Macedonians, not wise-versa, and the Macedonians continued to call themselves what they are - Macedonians.
And most convincing of all the fact that the genetic research had proven that the Macedonians are not Slavs but have a direct descent from the ancient Macedonians.
The Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia, and Macedonian minorities in Greece, Bulgaria, and Albania, continue to proudly call themselves "Macedonians" and consider the "Slav" label an insult and racial slur.
Much greater detail on the direct descent of today's Macedonians from the ancient Macedonians is found in "THE DESCENDANTS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT OF MACEDON - The arguments and evidence that today's Macedonians are descendants of the ancient Macedonians"
Hahha pathetic propaganda.Good try but no thanks.I use my brain:-)

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