Macedonians,do you hate Bulgarians? W...

Macedonians,do you hate Bulgarians? We love you but no one believes.

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Since: Apr 10

Plovdiv, Bulgaria

#1 Feb 2, 2012
Hey..I'm so sad when I listen to some people from Macedonia,saying that we are enemies and awful neighbours. Why? Tell me.. you like Greece maybe and when it comes to us you always think about the stupid past,argue and dont accept that we are like brothers. Here we love your songs,dances. You just cant understand.
Dejan

Skopje, Macedonia

#2 Feb 2, 2012
We don't. If Bulgarians would accept us as ethnic Macedonians, there will be no problems between us, so we can relate to the things that connect us then those that separate us.

Since: Apr 10

Plovdiv, Bulgaria

#3 Feb 2, 2012
Dejan wrote:
We don't. If Bulgarians would accept us as ethnic Macedonians, there will be no problems between us, so we can relate to the things that connect us then those that separate us.
Thank you,Dejan. This is what I hoped to read.. Actually,we can even accept you as ethnic Macedonians. There's no problem about that as you hold on it. Heh,Macedonia is wonderful! Hugs!

“Ziv Gospodar”

Since: Oct 08

Trinity, State of

#4 Feb 2, 2012
I don't hate Bulgarians.
mr large

Mansfield, MA

#5 Feb 2, 2012
you fyroms don't hate bulgarians? you wouldn't know it by this forum.

“God loves Macedonia !”

Since: Dec 08

Skopje

#6 Feb 2, 2012
The problem of Bulgarians is that they wanted (and still want) to assimilate us and make us Bulgarians.
I am sure, that if Bulgarians recognized us as Macedonians back in the past, in the time of our fight for freedom, we would be best friends now (maybe and created some union).. But Bulgarian propaganda and assimilation made us hate them
PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN

Graz, Austria

#7 Feb 2, 2012
Marko MK wrote:
The problem of Bulgarians is that they wanted (and still want) to assimilate us and make us Bulgarians.
I am sure, that if Bulgarians recognized us as Macedonians back in the past, in the time of our fight for freedom, we would be best friends now (maybe and created some union).. But Bulgarian propaganda and assimilation made us hate them
Hey Kleptoman Fakedonski Fyromian, titoistic Yugoslavian pseudonation!!
Your Greek avatar of Vergina sun proves that Macedonians are Greeks!!

The macedonian symbol "Vergina sun" is a symbol for all Greeks!!

http://history-of-macedonia.com/coppermine/al...

Spartan vase in the Louvre Museum, Paris.  6th Century BC:

http://history-of-macedonia.com/coppermine/al...
More see:
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/200...

Vergina sun is Greek state emblem of Macedonia:
http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-IMAGES/SIXTERXM...
http://www.wipo.int/cgi-6te/guest/ifetch5...

Since: Apr 10

Plovdiv, Bulgaria

#8 Feb 3, 2012
Marko MK wrote:
The problem of Bulgarians is that they wanted (and still want) to assimilate us and make us Bulgarians.
I am sure, that if Bulgarians recognized us as Macedonians back in the past, in the time of our fight for freedom, we would be best friends now (maybe and created some union).. But Bulgarian propaganda and assimilation made us hate them
Marko,I can agree with you. We've confused everything..and at least then you would be accepted to be clear Macedonians (Not Greeks with Hellenic culture or anything else). Who knows if in the future we will be friendly partners. I dont want to lose hope.
ManolisGR

Athens, Greece

#9 Feb 3, 2012
Loving Zagreb wrote:
<quoted text> Marko,I can agree with you. We've confused everything..and at least then you would be accepted to be clear Macedonians (Not Greeks with Hellenic culture or anything else). Who knows if in the future we will be friendly partners. I dont want to lose hope.
LOLLLKSI....

Is Naoum Macedonian or Bulgarian?
Is Tsar Samuil Macedonian or Bulgarian?
Is Gocev Delcev Macedonian or Bulgarian?
Is Sadanski Macedonian or Bulgarian?

Who are Your national Heroes except for the Greek Macedonians (Alexander, Phillip etc??)
MIG

Athens, Greece

#10 Feb 3, 2012
Loving Zagreb wrote:
<quoted text> I dont want to lose hope.
I'm highly convinced that 'Loving Zagreb' is working in the Bulgarian embassy in Skopje and is pissed off by the high workload he faces everyday due to the thousands Skopian applications for the Bulgarian citizenship! He would even change his own name into Macedonia in order to get some days off!

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Since: Apr 10

Plovdiv, Bulgaria

#11 Feb 3, 2012
ManolisGR wrote:
<quoted text>
LOLLLKSI....
Is Naoum Macedonian or Bulgarian?
Is Tsar Samuil Macedonian or Bulgarian?
Is Gocev Delcev Macedonian or Bulgarian?
Is Sadanski Macedonian or Bulgarian?
Who are Your national Heroes except for the Greek Macedonians (Alexander, Phillip etc??)
Oh... the answer Bulgarian comes totally from my heart. But what can I do? What can I do when I look at some of our brothers imitating the Roman culture in Skopje,inviting people to introduce them as heirs of old dynasty,deleting names which shows Bulgarian landmarks. Who FIRST in the world has recognised Macedonia? 15 January 1992 Exactly Bulgaria.
But I guess it's better to start and build the future instead of remembering the past.

Since: Apr 10

Plovdiv, Bulgaria

#13 Feb 3, 2012
MIG wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm highly convinced that 'Loving Zagreb' is working in the Bulgarian embassy in Skopje and is pissed off by the high workload he faces everyday due to the thousands Skopian applications for the Bulgarian citizenship! He would even change his own name into Macedonia in order to get some days off!
Ahahahah this was a nice suggestion!! But you are too far away from the truth! First,I'm a girl and I live in Bulgaria. I'm a patriot and always will be. But we have been argueing with Macedonians for years..this is painful.

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#14 Feb 3, 2012
Macedonian Illegal annex in the treaty of Bucharest 1913?
P1.
The Treaty of Bucharest, August 10, 1913.

1. NEGOTIATION.
The Treaty of Bucharest was concluded on August 10, 1913, by the delegates of Bulgaria, Roumania, Serbia, Montenegro, and Greece. As Bulgaria had been completely isolated in the Second Balkan War, and as she was closely invested on her northern boundary by the of Roumania on her western frontier by the allied armies of Greece and Serbia, and in the East by the Turkish Army, she was obliged, in her helplessness, to submit to such terms as her victorious enemies chose to impose upon her. All important arrangements and concessions involving the rectification of the controverted international boundary lines were perfected in a series of committee meetings, incorporated in separate protocols, and formally ratified by subsequent action of the general assembly of delegates.

2. TERMS.
By the terms of the treaty, Bulgaria ceded to Roumania all that portion of the Dobrudja lying north of a line extending from the Danube just above Turtukaia to the western shore of the Black Sea, south of Ekrene. This important territorial Concession has an approximate area of 2,687 square miles, a population of 286,000, and includes the fortress of Silistria and the cities of Turtukaia on the Danube and Baltchik on the Black Sea. In addition, Bulgaria agreed to dismantle all existing fortresses and bound herself not to construct forts at Rustchuk or at Schumla or in any of the territory between these two cities, or within a radius of 20 kilometers around Baltchick.

8. SERBIA'S GAIN IN TERRITORY.
The eastern frontier of Serbia was drawn from the summit of Patarika, on the old frontier, and followed the watershed between the Vardar and the Struma Rivers to the Greek-Bulgarian boundary, except that the upper valley of the Strumnitza remained in the possession of Bulgaria.***The territory thus obtained embraced central**** Macedonia,**** including Ochrida, Monastir, Kossovo, Istib, and Kotchana, and the eastern half of the sanjak of Novi-Bazar. By this arrangement Serbia increased her territory from 18,650 to 33,891 square miles and her population by more than 1,500,000.

4. GREECE'S GAIN IN TERRITORY.
The boundary line separating Greece from Bulgaria was drawn from the crest of Mount Belashitcha to the mouth of the Mesta River, on the Aegean Sea. This important territorial concession, which Bulgaria resolutely contested, in compliance with the instructions embraced in the notes which Russia and Austria-Hungary presented to the conference, increased the area of Greece from 25,014 to 41,933 square miles and her population from 2,660,000 to 4,363,000. The territory thus annexed included *** Epirus,*** southern ***Macedonia***, Salonika,*** Kavala,**** and the Aegean littoral as far east as the Mesta River, and restricted the Aegean seaboard of Bulgaria to an inconsiderable extent of 70 miles, extending from the Mesta to the Maritza, and giving access to the Aegean at the inferior port of Dedeagatch. Greece also extended her northwestern frontier to include the great fortress of Janina. In addition, Crete was definitely assigned to Greece and was formally taken over on December 14, 1913.

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#15 Feb 3, 2012
P2.
The Treaty of Bucharest, August 10, 1913.

5. BULGARIA'S GAIN IN TERRITORY.
Bulgaria's share of the spoils, although greatly reduced, was not entirely negligible. Her net gains in territory, which embraced a. portion of ***Macedonia, including the town of Strumnitza,***western Thrace, and 70 miles of the Aegean littoral, were about 9,663 square miles, and her population was increased by 129,490.

6. APPRAISEMENT OF THE TREATY.
By the terms of the Treaty of Bucharest, Roumania profited most in proportion to her sacrifices. The unredeemed Roumanians live mostly in Transylvania, the Bukovina, and Bessarabia, and therefore the Balkan wars afforded her no adequate opportunity to perfect the rectification of her boundaries on ethnographic lines.

The humiliating terms imposed on Bulgaria were due to her own impatience and intemperate folly. The territory she secured was relatively circumscribed; she had failed to emancipate Macedonia, which was her avowed purpose in entering the war; she lost the districts of Ochrida and Monastir, which she especially coveted; she was assigned only a small line on the Aegean, with the wretched port of Dedeagatch; and she was obliged to forfeit her ambition as the leader of the Balkan hegemony.

Greece, though gaining much, was greatly dissatisfied. The acquisition of Saloniki was a triumph; she was assigned the port of Kavala and the territory eastward at the insistence of the King and the army and contrary to the advice of Venizelos; in the northwest Greece encountered the opposition of Italy by urging her claims to southern Albania; in the assignment of the Aegean Islands she was profoundly dissatisfied; and she still claims 3,000,000 unredeemed conationals.

The fundamental defects of the Treaty of Bucharest were that (1) the boundaries which it drew bore little relation to the nationality of the inhabitants of the districts affected, and that (2) the punishment meted out to Bulgaria, while perhaps deserved in the light of her great offense in bringing on the, Second Balkan War, was so severe that she could not accept the treaty as a permanent settlement. While Serbia, Greece, and Roumania can not escape a large share of the blame for the character of the treaty, it should not be forgotten that their action at Bucharest was in large measure due to the settlement forced upon the Balkan States by the great powers at the London conferences.

Source: Anderson, Frank Maloy and Amos Shartle Hershey, Handbook for the Diplomatic History of Europe, Asia, and Africa 1870-1914. Prepared for the National Board for Historical Service. Government Printing Office, Washington, 1918.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/boshtml/...

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#16 Feb 3, 2012
In 864, Bulgaria accepted Eastern Orthodox Christianity.[19]

Bulgaria became a major European power in the ninth and the tenth centuries, while fighting with the Byzantine Empire for the control of the Balkans. This happened under the rule (852–889) of Boris I. During his reign, the Cyrillic alphabet originated in Preslav and Ohrid,[20] adapted from the Glagolitic alphabet invented by the monks Saints Cyril and Methodius.[21]

The Cyrillic alphabet became the basis for further cultural development. Centuries later, this alphabet, along with the Old Bulgarian language, fostered the intellectual written language (lingua franca) for Eastern Europe, known as Church Slavonic. The greatest territorial extension of the Bulgarian Empire — covering most of the Balkans — Following a decline in the mid-tenth century (worn out by wars with Croatia, by frequent Serbian rebellions sponsored by Byzantine gold, and by disastrous Magyar and Pecheneg invasions),[23] Bulgaria collapsed in the face of an assault of the Rus' in 969-971.[24]

The Byzantines then began campaigns to conquer Bulgaria. In 971, they seized the capital Preslav and captured Emperor Boris II.[25] Resistance continued under Tsar Samuil in the western Bulgarian lands for nearly half a century. The country managed to recover and defeated the Byzantines in several major battles taking the control of the most of the Balkans and in 991 invaded the Serbian state.[26] However, the Byzantines led by Basil II (Basil the Bulgar-Slayer) destroyed the Bulgarian state in 1018 after their victory at Kleidion.[27]
Basil II
Emperor of the Byzantine Empire

Reign nominally from 960 (as co-emperor), effectively 10 January 976 - 15 December 1025

Born 958
Died 15 December 1025

Predecessor John I Tzimiskes

Successor Constantine VIII

Dynasty Macedonian dynasty

Father Romanos II

Mother Theophano

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria
As you can see the Bulgarian adopted the Macedonian alphabet because it suited there existing language.
PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN

Graz, Austria

#17 Feb 3, 2012
Ajde fakedonski fyromian, Titoistic Yugoslavian pseudonation!!

Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."
Alexander I, king of Macedonia:"but I am myself a Greek by descent…."

Herodot Book 9,45 (KALLIOPI)
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text...

Skopians are the Yugoslavisation of the Vardar Bulgarians!! Not Macedonians!!
Fakedonija for the Fakedonskis, kleptomania of the Hellenism!!

Since: Apr 10

Plovdiv, Bulgaria

#18 Feb 3, 2012
Rosetta stone wrote:
In 864, Bulgaria accepted Eastern Orthodox Christianity.[19]
Bulgaria became a major European power in the ninth and the tenth centuries, while fighting with the Byzantine Empire for the control of the Balkans. This happened under the rule (852–889) of Boris I. During his reign, the Cyrillic alphabet originated in Preslav and Ohrid,[20] adapted from the Glagolitic alphabet invented by the monks Saints Cyril and Methodius.[21]
The Cyrillic alphabet became the basis for further cultural development. Centuries later, this alphabet, along with the Old Bulgarian language, fostered the intellectual written language (lingua franca) for Eastern Europe, known as Church Slavonic. The greatest territorial extension of the Bulgarian Empire — covering most of the Balkans — Following a decline in the mid-tenth century (worn out by wars with Croatia, by frequent Serbian rebellions sponsored by Byzantine gold, and by disastrous Magyar and Pecheneg invasions),[23] Bulgaria collapsed in the face of an assault of the Rus' in 969-971.[24]
The Byzantines then began campaigns to conquer Bulgaria. In 971, they seized the capital Preslav and captured Emperor Boris II.[25] Resistance continued under Tsar Samuil in the western Bulgarian lands for nearly half a century. The country managed to recover and defeated the Byzantines in several major battles taking the control of the most of the Balkans and in 991 invaded the Serbian state.[26] However, the Byzantines led by Basil II (Basil the Bulgar-Slayer) destroyed the Bulgarian state in 1018 after their victory at Kleidion.[27]
Basil II
Emperor of the Byzantine Empire
Reign nominally from 960 (as co-emperor), effectively 10 January 976 - 15 December 1025
Born 958
Died 15 December 1025
Predecessor John I Tzimiskes
Successor Constantine VIII
Dynasty Macedonian dynasty
Father Romanos II
Mother Theophano
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria
As you can see the Bulgarian adopted the Macedonian alphabet because it suited there existing language.
This can be helpful. Hahah I can see that our alphabet has been '' adapted from the Glagolitic alphabet invented by the monks Saints Cyril and Methodius'' Dont know what the others see :)
ATAHAC

AOL

#20 Feb 3, 2012
Loving Zagreb wrote:
Hey..I'm so sad when I listen to some people from Macedonia,saying that we are enemies and awful neighbours. Why? Tell me.. you like Greece maybe and when it comes to us you always think about the stupid past,argue and dont accept that we are like brothers. Here we love your songs,dances. You just cant understand.


Brothers help brothers, and until Bulgaria pounds her fist at the EU table demanding rights for our "brothers" in Greece, it will never happen.

Since: Apr 10

Plovdiv, Bulgaria

#21 Feb 4, 2012
ATAHAC wrote:
<quoted text>
Brothers help brothers, and until Bulgaria pounds her fist at the EU table demanding rights for our "brothers" in Greece, it will never happen.
Nasko,you cant deny that we helped you in the past to stabilize the country. This is a fact. But after that another problems appeared. Now Bulgaria as a part of EU should follow the definite rules. Actually,we still call you brothers.

“I am Macedonia”

Since: Jan 11

A nightmare for hellass

#22 Feb 4, 2012
Macedonians don,t have a problem with every day and common people of Bulgaria cause they don,t seem to have problem of us as Macedonians just like the other Balkan countries(exeption of greeks)

But we do have a problem with the BG government which hanging on to yesteryear's-past like a cheap suit and they keep pedaling that BS idea that Macedonians are the same as Bulgarians.

So until they change there stance it will stay the way it is.

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