Samaras hails EU's FYROM decision

Samaras hails EU's FYROM decision

There are 20 comments on the EKathimerini story from Dec 14, 2012, titled Samaras hails EU's FYROM decision. In it, EKathimerini reports that:

Reaching an agreement on a name dispute with Athens is key to opening the way for the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to join the European Union, GreeceA's prime minister stated Friday as reports said a United Nations mediator is expected in the Greek capital with a fresh plan next month.

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Since: Jul 12

Brighton-Le-Sands, Sydney

#1 Dec 14, 2012
Why is it so hard for the nationalist and the GRUEVSKI government in FYROM to accept a new name which includes a "geographical qualifier"?.

Macedonia refers to a current day region which covers an area of three different countries. No one has the right to use the term "Macedonia" exclusively on its own.

Why is the term "Republic of Northern Macedonia" (or what ever other "geographical qualifier" is decided) such a hard compromise to make?

Greece is being more than fair with their proposal. If it was up to me I WOULD NOT like to see FYROM use the term "Macedonia" in any part of their new name.

NAME OF COUNTRY: Republic of Northern Macedonia
NATIONALITY: This is a personal choice no one has the right to put a name to this (but maybe Northern Macedonian can be considered appropriate).
LANGUAGE: Northern Macedonian or Makedonski

I also go one step further, Maybe Greece at the same time might look at changing the name of their region to AEGEAN or ANCIENT Macedonia.

This way there is absolutely no confusion between the Greek region of Macedonia and the modern day country of FYROM

WHY IS THIS SUCH A HARD COMPROMISE?

Why does GRUEVSKI play the nationalist card is it because he wants what is best for your country or does he like being in power?

“RESISTANCE = RESULTS”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#2 Dec 15, 2012
Bill_Sydney_Aus wrote:
Why is it so hard for the nationalist and the GRUEVSKI government in FYROM to accept a new name which includes a "geographical qualifier"?.
Macedonia refers to a current day region which covers an area of three different countries. No one has the right to use the term "Macedonia" exclusively on its own.
Why is the term "Republic of Northern Macedonia" (or what ever other "geographical qualifier" is decided) such a hard compromise to make?
Greece is being more than fair with their proposal. If it was up to me I WOULD NOT like to see FYROM use the term "Macedonia" in any part of their new name.
NAME OF COUNTRY: Republic of Northern Macedonia
NATIONALITY: This is a personal choice no one has the right to put a name to this (but maybe Northern Macedonian can be considered appropriate).
LANGUAGE: Northern Macedonian or Makedonski
I also go one step further, Maybe Greece at the same time might look at changing the name of their region to AEGEAN or ANCIENT Macedonia.
This way there is absolutely no confusion between the Greek region of Macedonia and the modern day country of FYROM
WHY IS THIS SUCH A HARD COMPROMISE?
Why does GRUEVSKI play the nationalist card is it because he wants what is best for your country or does he like being in power?
If Today's Greeks are the successors of an Ancient any Culture ,Today's Egyptians are the successors of the Ancient Egyptian culture

:))heheheh

Look at both nations,dirty,lazy,beggar and uncivilized morons..

They both have "Religion Based" constitutions heheheeh in the 21.th century..

Because they all have no btrain just MUCUS in the skulls..

any Culture ,Today's Egyptians are the successors of the Ancient Egyptian culture

:))heheheh

Look at both nations,dirty,lazy,beggar and uncivilized morons..

They both have "Religion Based" constitutions heheheeh in the 21.th century..

Because they all have no btrain just MUCUS in the skulls..
fyromians are subhumans

Bulgaria

#3 Dec 15, 2012
Isn't it just hilarious when a toothless fyromongrel peasant insults superior countries?

“RESISTANCE = RESULTS”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#4 Dec 15, 2012
fyromians are subhumans wrote:
Isn't it just hilarious when a toothless fyromongrel peasant insults superior countries?
You feel superior this week because you got a bail out. What about next week beggar?

Lol
GEOROX

Melrose Park, IL

#5 Dec 15, 2012
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
If Today's Greeks are the successors of an Ancient any Culture ,Today's Egyptians are the successors of the Ancient Egyptian culture
:))heheheh
Look at both nations,dirty,lazy,beggar and uncivilized morons..
They both have "Religion Based" constitutions heheheeh in the 21.th century..
Because they all have no btrain just MUCUS in the skulls..
any Culture ,Today's Egyptians are the successors of the Ancient Egyptian culture
:))heheheh
Look at both nations,dirty,lazy,beggar and uncivilized morons..
They both have "Religion Based" constitutions heheheeh in the 21.th century..
Because they all have no btrain just MUCUS in the skulls..
Apparently this illiterate [email protected] peasant has never heard of the Copts.

Fyromian intelligentsia, ladies and gentlemen, remains a nonexistent intelligentsia!
fyromians are subhumans

Bulgaria

#6 Dec 15, 2012
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
You feel superior this week because you got a bail out. What about next week beggar?
Lol
When the fark was I begging for bailout, you toothles shephard? Farking cretin...
The Ovchar

Toronto, Canada

#7 Dec 15, 2012
Brat...these beggar squatters know very well that unless they erradicate us entirely we will remain Macedonians...tomorrow...the next day and every day after that...

EDEN DEN E SEGA
Our time is today, tomorrow and for eternity as Macedonians.

Pozdrav
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
You feel superior this week because you got a bail out. What about next week beggar?
Lol

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#9 Dec 15, 2012
Because Gruevski is MALAKAS !!

What would happe to your identity, bre HAYVANOMALAKISMENA TITOZOMBIES, if you call it Slavomacedonian ??

GAMWTOMOUNITHSMANASTOUTITOPOUS ASGENNHSE malakes !!
mr large

Mansfield, MA

#10 Dec 15, 2012
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
If Today's Greeks are the successors of an Ancient any Culture ,Today's Egyptians are the successors of the Ancient Egyptian culture
:))heheheh
Look at both nations,dirty,lazy,beggar and uncivilized morons..
They both have "Religion Based" constitutions heheheeh in the 21.th century..
Because they all have no btrain just MUCUS in the skulls..
any Culture ,Today's Egyptians are the successors of the Ancient Egyptian culture
:))heheheh
Look at both nations,dirty,lazy,beggar and uncivilized morons..
They both have "Religion Based" constitutions heheheeh in the 21.th century..
Because they all have no btrain just MUCUS in the skulls..
it must be painfull to be continously rejected, no eu , no nato can't even get a start date. surrounded by enemies who pray for you death. are you scared of the albos and what they are going to do to you slavs for all the years of misery you pieces of shit perpetrated? does it bother you that you are a nation without any future? please feel free to fall on your knees and beg the greeks and bulgarians for forgivness before we let the albos tune your heads

“Liberalism”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#11 Dec 15, 2012
Samaras and his team was the supporters of Milosevic and other terrorists-fascists.

Since: Jul 12

Brighton-Le-Sands, Sydney

#12 Dec 15, 2012
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
If Today's Greeks are the successors of an Ancient any Culture ,Today's Egyptians are the successors of the Ancient Egyptian culture
:))heheheh
Look at both nations,dirty,lazy,beggar and uncivilized morons..
They both have "Religion Based" constitutions heheheeh in the 21.th century..
Because they all have no btrain just MUCUS in the skulls..
any Culture ,Today's Egyptians are the successors of the Ancient Egyptian culture
:))heheheh
Look at both nations,dirty,lazy,beggar and uncivilized morons..
They both have "Religion Based" constitutions heheheeh in the 21.th century..
Because they all have no btrain just MUCUS in the skulls..
Hi,

My question was "Why is a name like Republic of Northern Macedonia such a hard compromise to make?"

Only the NATIONALISTS in FYROM believe there is a link between the modern day country of FYROM and Ancient Macedonia. NOT EVERYONE in FYROM believes there is a link, so lets be very clear on that.

From all the evidence Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians spread a Hellenic culture. FYROM is still unable to come up with one piece of evidence which disputes this.

So again to my question, Why is this such a hard compromise to make?

Does FYROM feel like they lose and some how Greece wins if they change their constitutional name to include a "geographical qualifier" to the term Macedonia. On an international level anything has to better than the reference "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"

Why does FYROM believe they have exclusive rights on using the term "Macedonia", Why do the NATIONALIST in FYROM every time they read/hear/see the term "Macedonia" think it refers to their modern day country which is definitely NOT the case.

The problem was that FYROM chose a constitutional name that just suited them, Why didn't FYROM stop and think about wether this name would be recognised by its immediate neighbours. The world doesn't revolve around FYROM, to be a modern day country you have to be recognised by everyone around you. Hence this is why you still are recognised in the United Nations by the reference "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"

Now, is the time to move on and become a modern day country which is recognised in the UN by every nation in the world. Pride has to give way for common sense and it is time that we all moved on from this issue. Its time for every country to work together in the Balkans to create a better future for everyone living there.
The Ovchar

Toronto, Canada

#13 Dec 15, 2012
Its called DEMOCRACY...

The PEOPLE of the REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA choose...Republic of Macedonia.

Extortion and Diplomatic Blackmail have no place in DEMOCRACY.

Of course you know nothing about this concept...your nation has been a protectorate for much of its existence since the great powers fought your battles, financed and armed you as a pawn in the cold war. Military dictatorships and juntas ended only 25 years ago in Gaylada...since then they have entered the EU under no scrutiny and have bled the EU dry...

The people of the REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA are INDEPENDANT and will remain so.

EDEN DEN E SEGA
Bill_Sydney_Aus wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi,
My question was "Why is a name like Republic of Northern Macedonia such a hard compromise to make?"
Only the NATIONALISTS in FYROM believe there is a link between the modern day country of FYROM and Ancient Macedonia. NOT EVERYONE in FYROM believes there is a link, so lets be very clear on that.
From all the evidence Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians spread a Hellenic culture. FYROM is still unable to come up with one piece of evidence which disputes this.
So again to my question, Why is this such a hard compromise to make?
Does FYROM feel like they lose and some how Greece wins if they change their constitutional name to include a "geographical qualifier" to the term Macedonia. On an international level anything has to better than the reference "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"
Why does FYROM believe they have exclusive rights on using the term "Macedonia", Why do the NATIONALIST in FYROM every time they read/hear/see the term "Macedonia" think it refers to their modern day country which is definitely NOT the case.
The problem was that FYROM chose a constitutional name that just suited them, Why didn't FYROM stop and think about wether this name would be recognised by its immediate neighbours. The world doesn't revolve around FYROM, to be a modern day country you have to be recognised by everyone around you. Hence this is why you still are recognised in the United Nations by the reference "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"
Now, is the time to move on and become a modern day country which is recognised in the UN by every nation in the world. Pride has to give way for common sense and it is time that we all moved on from this issue. Its time for every country to work together in the Balkans to create a better future for everyone living there.

Since: Jul 12

Brighton-Le-Sands, Sydney

#14 Dec 15, 2012
The Ovchar wrote:
Its called DEMOCRACY...
The PEOPLE of the REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA choose...Republic of Macedonia.
Extortion and Diplomatic Blackmail have no place in DEMOCRACY.
Of course you know nothing about this concept...your nation has been a protectorate for much of its existence since the great powers fought your battles, financed and armed you as a pawn in the cold war. Military dictatorships and juntas ended only 25 years ago in Gaylada...since then they have entered the EU under no scrutiny and have bled the EU dry...
The people of the REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA are INDEPENDANT and will remain so.
EDEN DEN E SEGA
<quoted text>
The problem is that the people in FYROM picked a constitutional name that is not recognised by other neighbouring countries. This is why on an INTERNATIONAL stage your country has the reference "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia".

You CAN NOT argue that the people in FYROM picked this constitutional name and that is what we will use, Remember the world does not revolve around FYROM.

You have to be fair to all countries in the world. Why is a name such as "Republic of Northern Macedonia" such a bad thing? Why is it such a hard compromise to make?. You will have to make this compromise sooner or later. 2 million people in FYROM (and even smaller number if you take out the 35% of people who identify as Albanians (25.2%), Turks (3.9%), Roma (2.7%) and other identities (4.0%)) cannot dictate to 7 Billion people in the world.

The current position of Greece, for FYROM to use a "geographical qualifier" to the term Macedonia is very fair, Now it is time for FYROM to meet Greece in the middle and solve this name dispute and both countries can move forward.

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#15 Dec 16, 2012
The Ovchar wrote:
Its called DEMOCRACY...
The PEOPLE of the REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA choose...Republic of Macedonia ..........
Because there is no freedom of press in FYROM:
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/macedonia/T4...

So, the choice of SlavoSkopians is not free at all.
The Ovchar

Toronto, Canada

#16 Dec 16, 2012
Northern Macedonia does not bother me at all.
But the half way point that you make should include recognition of the rights to self identify for your minorities and the abolishment of the Metaxas era laws against the Macedonian population within Greece.

That to me is half way.
Bill_Sydney_Aus wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem is that the people in FYROM picked a constitutional name that is not recognised by other neighbouring countries. This is why on an INTERNATIONAL stage your country has the reference "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia".
You CAN NOT argue that the people in FYROM picked this constitutional name and that is what we will use, Remember the world does not revolve around FYROM.
You have to be fair to all countries in the world. Why is a name such as "Republic of Northern Macedonia" such a bad thing? Why is it such a hard compromise to make?. You will have to make this compromise sooner or later. 2 million people in FYROM (and even smaller number if you take out the 35% of people who identify as Albanians (25.2%), Turks (3.9%), Roma (2.7%) and other identities (4.0%)) cannot dictate to 7 Billion people in the world.
The current position of Greece, for FYROM to use a "geographical qualifier" to the term Macedonia is very fair, Now it is time for FYROM to meet Greece in the middle and solve this name dispute and both countries can move forward.

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#17 Dec 16, 2012
The Ovchar wrote:
Northern Macedonia does not bother me at all.
But the half way point that you make should include recognition of the rights to self identify for your minorities and the abolishment of the Metaxas era laws against the Macedonian population within Greece.
That to me is half way.
<quoted text>
First, Macedonians have always been Greeks.
So whoever wants to be recognized as Macedonian within Greece, he will be recognized as Greek.
The Ovchar

Toronto, Canada

#18 Dec 16, 2012
EDEN DEN E SEGA
YOU WILL BE EXPOSED...

Just a matter of time...
Istor wrote:
<quoted text>
First, Macedonians have always been Greeks.
So whoever wants to be recognized as Macedonian within Greece, he will be recognized as Greek.
CANADEZOS

Windsor, Canada

#19 Dec 16, 2012
The Ovchar wrote:
Northern Macedonia does not bother me at all.
But the half way point that you make should include recognition of the rights to self identify for your minorities and the abolishment of the Metaxas era laws against the Macedonian population within Greece.
That to me is half way.
<quoted text>
IT WAS YOUR SLAVOBULGAR COMMIE FATHERS WHO TRIED TO BULGARIZE&CARVE OUT MAKEDONIA FROM GREECE!!THE REASON WHY YOUR SLAVOBULGAR FATHERS FLED TO COMMUNIST YUGOSLAVIA!TO AVOID WAR CRIMES CHARGES!
** YOUR HANDFULL OF SLAVOBULGARIAN RAINBOW QUEERS ==>DO NOT CONSTITUTE A MINORITY!AFTERALL GREECE HAS ALLOW THEM TO FORM THE RAINBOW SLAVOQUEERSPARTY!WHICH IS UNHEARD IN ANY OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRY!AND BARELY GOT 6000 VOTES IN LAST ELECTIONS!

http://eleftheriskepsii.blogspot.ca/2011/07/b...

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#20 Dec 16, 2012
The Ovchar wrote:
EDEN DEN E SEGA
YOU WILL BE EXPOSED...
Just a matter of time...
<quoted text>
As Macedonians, we will never stop reading Plutarch's "Fortune and Virtue of Alexander"

MALAKES !!

“RESISTANCE = RESULTS”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#21 Dec 29, 2012
Istor wrote:
<quoted text>
As Macedonians, we will never stop reading Plutarch's "Fortune and Virtue of Alexander"
MALAKES !!
The post 4999 years after the events Greek version?

A vre, go open up & read 'Accounting for Dummies 101' & get with the programma!

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