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“Macedonian, therefore Greek”
Since: Apr 07
Thessaloniki, Macedonia,Greece
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Athens, Greece
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DEATH FOR ISTOR wrote: <quoted text> yes Ok: ========== http://members.tripod.com/~dimobetchev/docume... " Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars,... considering the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian Fatherland... ...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the same. ... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the name Bulgar... Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now. The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising" Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola, and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from September 17th, 1903. " ==========
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DEATH FOR ISTOR
Sydney, Australia
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Istor wrote: <quoted text> Ok: ========== http://members.tripod.com/~dimobetchev/docume... " Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars,... considering the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian Fatherland... ...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the same. ... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the name Bulgar... Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now. The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising" Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola, and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from September 17th, 1903. " ========== What a load of crap
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“Macedonian, therefore Greek”
Since: Apr 07
Thessaloniki, Macedonia,Greece
ISP:
Athens, Greece
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DEATH FOR ISTOR
Sydney, Australia
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“Macedonian, therefore Greek”
Since: Apr 07
Thessaloniki, Macedonia,Greece
ISP:
Athens, Greece
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“UNITED MACEDONIA”
Since: May 08
SOLUN - REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA
ISP:
Stip, Macedonia
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Istor wrote: aeigamisouremalaka. SALTA GAMISOU !!
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“UNITED MACEDONIA”
Since: May 08
SOLUN - REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA
ISP:
Stip, Macedonia
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1. The ancient Macedonians were a distinct nation, separate from their neighbors, the ancient Greeks, Illyrians, and Thracians. The ancient Greek and Roman historians tell us that the Macedonians spoke a separate Macedonian language and had their own customs, culture, and traditions. Archeological discoveries confirm that the material culture of the Macedonians also defer greatly from all their neighbors, and it is by far more superior in artistry (gold, paintings, weapons, mosaics) then anything found in contemporary Greece, Illyria, and Thrace. The texts of the ancient writers distinguish the Macedonians from the ancient Greeks, just like they distinguish the Romans and the Carthaginians. Yet, like the other non-Greeks, Carthaginians, Romans, Illyrians, and Thracians, the Macedonian high society also used the Greek language along with Macedonian. Greek was spoken by the nobility of many different ancient nations, just like French was spoken in the 19th century (at the German and Russian courts for example). Unfortunately there are only about 150 glosses that have survived of the ancient Macedonian language (most of them with no relation whatsoever with ancient Greek), and like ancient Carthaginian, Illyrian, and Thracian, it can not be reconstructed. There is no doubt nevertheless that the Illyrains, Thracians, and Macedonians were non-Greeks, or in the words of the ancient Greeks "barbarians" which literally means people who spoke other non-Greek languages.
2. Macedonia became a world power when the Macedonian king Philip II conquered Thrace, greater part of Illyria, and the whole of Greece (except Sparta). At the battle of Chaeronea in 338, the Macedonian army destroyed the united Greek army, and put an end to Greek freedom and ancient Greek history. To secure the Macedonian conquest, Macedonian garrisons were established in the Greek cities, just like they were established in Thrace and Illyria.
3. Alexander the Great (336-323 BC), Philip II's son took the Macedonian armies even further and conquered the Persian Empire, making Macedonia the largest and most powerful nation in the world for centuries to come. In his army next to the Macedonians, he utilized also troops from the Balkan nations that his father Philip II conquered - Greeks, Illyrians, and Thracians. The Greeks in the Macedonian army however were commanded by Macedonians, their contribution in the conquest was insignificant and miniscule, and modern historiography calls them nothing but Macedonian "hostages" who would ensure a good behavior of their friends and families back in Greece (Peter Green, Urlich Wilcken, Ernst Badian, Eugene Borza, A.B. Bosworth). Aware that the Greeks despised the Macedonians, Alexander left massive Macedonian occupation troops in their country before heading for the conquest of Persia, although he knew that he would need as many as possible Macedonians for the dangerous campaign ahead. He however rid himself of the Greeks in his army the first chance he got, after burning the Persian capital Persepolis, and learning that the last Greek state Sparta was defeated by the Macedonian troops he left to watch rebellious Greece.
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“Macedonian, therefore Greek”
Since: Apr 07
Thessaloniki, Macedonia,Greece
ISP:
Athens, Greece
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Macedonian until Death wrote: <quoted text> SALTA GAMISOU !! I think you have to read Gruev's telegram: http://members.tripod.com/~dimobetchev/docume...
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PRIAPOS
Athens, Greece
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Macedonian until Death wrote: <quoted text> SALTA GAMISOU !! Salta gamisou esy re MALAKA, POUSTI, ARCHIDI, KOLOGAMIMENI TRAVESTI TIS ISTORIAS
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“UNITED MACEDONIA”
Since: May 08
SOLUN - REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA
ISP:
Stip, Macedonia
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PRIAPOS wrote: <quoted text> Salta gamisou esy re MALAKA, POUSTI, ARCHIDI, KOLOGAMIMENI TRAVESTI TIS ISTORIAS GAMISOU MALAKAS !!! SALTA GAMISU HELL ASS !!! HUH, MALAKA !
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PRIAPOS
Athens, Greece
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Salta gamisou esy re MALAKA, POUSTI, ARCHIDI, KOLOGAMIMENI TRAVESTI TIS ISTORIAS Zdravo do POUTSO
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macedonia - greek history
Thessaloníki, Greece
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haaaa... don't tell me that Alexander the Great spoke that language!!!! or maybe he spoke albanian?! haaaa... find your own history, don't steal others'...
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macedonia - greek history
Thessaloníki, Greece
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or maybe you can explain what macedonia means??? or alexander? or Philippos? or Aristotelis? or Khalkidiki? or... so many million words that "are Greek to you"!!!!!!!!! No need to argue my friend, just learn greek and you' ll find the truth about macedonia and its history. You' ll be so ashamed to have been calling Alexander a slab!!!(this last part is hilarious by the way, you could just as well argue that Napoleon was from Skopje...
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macedonia - greek history
Thessaloníki, Greece
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ok united macedonia... if you guys want to be greeks. illiterate ignorants... that symbols you have there in red (vergina star) is 2500 years old covered with greek history when your people were still eating roots somewhere in north russia. FIND YOUR OWN SYMBOLS I D T H E F T I S A F E L O N Y
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macedonia - greek history
Thessaloníki, Greece
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If Alexander spoke another language would he have a greek name?(it means protector of people in Greek) Aristotle means perfect end Thessaloniki means (and not Solun which is a slavic word) Victory in Thessalia (center of Greece)
LEARN SOME GREEK TO FIND THE TRUTH WAKE UP!!
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sasho velickovski
Skopje, Macedonia
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The guverment in grece is scare not about history and identity of Macedonia, they a fraid about SOLUN about Egejska Makedonija. We all now that Macedonia in history never was been Grece. J have some question to Grece , a think that is not question:When Grece and all europe know that Yugoslavia is falling Grece guverment in athens give a name in south grece province MACEDONIA too ceep the our part of Macedonia ( Egejska Macedonia) the part stolen from Macedonia In Bucurest Grece is boring child in europe
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Mehmed from Thraki
Toronto, Canada
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Istor-Greek,thus Ethopian
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