Macedonia:This is How to End the Name...

Macedonia:This is How to End the Name Dispute

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Nick the Greek

Ilford, UK

#1 Feb 18, 2012
If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want an Identity rooted in classical antiquity, then they have to accept that it has to the Paeonian Identity.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want the Macedonian Identity and insist they are Macedonians, rooted to the ancient Macedonians, then they have have to accept that they are Greeks.

But how, and why do they speak a Slavic language...Slavicization explains that!

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were to accept that they have been Slavicized and that their ancestors were originaly Greeks, then they also have to accept that they are from partial Greek ancestry. Both parties could then perhaps form a joint working-committee to investigate the rammifications.

If the findings of such a committee were to conclude, that there are no such fraternal bonds between FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs and Greeks...then FYRoM must rescind from claiming Macedonian Identity and go for the Paeonian Identity option.

If the findings of that committee conclude that fraternal bonds exist and bonds of kinship exist between FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs and Greeks...then perhaps the solution to our problem would be to unite, and then to work-hard to incorporate the two country's into one entity.

I use the term "entity" on the basis, special attention would be needed for the name, and more attention on the governmental political structures that would be required to govern such an entity.

No doubt, much would need to be dicussed and at some great length.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#2 Feb 18, 2012
More total bollocks Nick!

And still using your stolen nickname I see!

That's just dark, sinister and not a little creepy Nick, stealing the name of a dead man!

Now you are suggesting that Greece cedes sovereignty and submits itself to Macedonian rule (again)!

A cross national organisation to investigate historic claim? You mean like the one that the Macedonian FM suggested last year and Greece refused? I wonder why they did that?

But then, you would have to accept that the Republic of Macedonia and the Macedonian speaking Macedonians have a right to the name (perhaps only temporarily). Once you do that though, you accept the name dispute is over! And therefore the scientific working-group would be pointless.

How about a really easy way to end the name dispute.

WITHDRAW YOUR STUPID OBJECTIONS.

Oh, and change your nickname you ID thief!

Seriously,

Stupid Englishman.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#3 Feb 18, 2012
Nick, take a look at the picture. My avatar!

If you don't look like the DEAD MAN in the picture, then you stole his identity.

That makes you a THIEF as well as a LIAR, FRAUD, NEO-NAZI, ULTRA-NATIONALIST, PROPAGANDIST.

And ENGLISH!

Seriously,

Stupid Englishman!
CANADEZOS

Scarborough, Canada

#4 Feb 18, 2012
The Informed Reader wrote:
Nick, take a look at the picture. My avatar!
If you don't look like the DEAD MAN in the picture, then you stole his identity.
That makes you a THIEF as well as a LIAR, FRAUD, NEO-NAZI, ULTRA-NATIONALIST, PROPAGANDIST.
And ENGLISH!
Seriously,
Stupid Englishman!
WHAT HAPPENED YUGOSLAVIAN SCUMBAG!DID YOU CHANGE YOUR IMAGE!DID THE WELSH PEOPLE FORBID YOU TO USE THEIR WELSH FLAG SYMBOL FOR YOUR PERSONAL SLAVIC USE!SIMILARLY TO THE VERGINA STAR FLAG SYMBOL!!EH!!!!!!!!!!
Makedonijan

Asia/Pacific Region

#5 Feb 18, 2012
No, he changed it to show youse Gayreek Gypsies from Gayreece (Hell Ass) something so he can prove a point and will change it back once he had finished proving his point you retarded, peabrain, brain dead, Brain damaged, brain washed, uneducated Gayreek Gypsy from Gayreece (Hell Ass) so go get your facts right before you talk and post bullshit propaganda on here yous dumb ass Gayreek Gypsies from Gayreece (Hell Ass).
CANADEZOS

Scarborough, Canada

#6 Feb 18, 2012
Makedonijan wrote:
No, he changed it to show youse Gayreek Gypsies from Gayreece (Hell Ass) something so he can prove a point and will change it back once he had finished proving his point you retarded, peabrain, brain dead, Brain damaged, brain washed, uneducated Gayreek Gypsy from Gayreece (Hell Ass) so go get your facts right before you talk and post bullshit propaganda on here yous dumb ass Gayreek Gypsies from Gayreece (Hell Ass).
BLAH!BLAH!BLAH! YUGOSLAVIAN SLAVOBULGARIAN SCUMBAG!!THE FACTS AND THE ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PROVIDED A THOUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS FORUM!YOU ARE JUST TOO STUPID TO SEE IT!!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/mIRe5tnqRKM

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#7 Feb 18, 2012
What? You don't recognise THE Nick the Greek?

The guy who had his ID stolen by the English propagandist!

Seriously CANADEZOS, are you sure you are Canadian? I mean, the Canadian education system simply HAS to be better than you make it look!

Once the fake Nick the Greek changes his name (or until I get bored with humiliating him) then the picture of the REAL Nick the Greek remains as a constant reminder of Greek (English) ID theft!

Seriously,

Stupid Canadian!

“RESISTANCE = RESULTS”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#8 Feb 18, 2012
CANADEZOS wrote:
<quoted text>BLAH!BLAH!BLAH! YUGOSLAVIAN SLAVOBULGARIAN SCUMBAG!!THE FACTS AND THE ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PROVIDED A THOUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS FORUM!YOU ARE JUST TOO STUPID TO SEE IT!!
http://www.youtube.com/embed/mIRe5tnqRKM
The only archeological evidence that comes out is from your ass and its only a few days old!

You Orthodox Turk wannabe Macedonian
AlbaniaPRIDE

Mount Waverley, Australia

#9 Feb 18, 2012
The Informed Reader wrote:
Nick, take a look at the picture. My avatar!
If you don't look like the DEAD MAN in the picture, then you stole his identity.
That makes you a THIEF as well as a LIAR, FRAUD, NEO-NAZI, ULTRA-NATIONALIST, PROPAGANDIST.
And ENGLISH!
Seriously,
Stupid Englishman!
The only DEAN MAN is going to be YOU and all the SLAVIC PIGS soon in FYROM.
You will see GREATER ALBANIA.
AlbaniaPRIDE

Mount Waverley, Australia

#10 Feb 18, 2012
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
The only archeological evidence that comes out is from your ass and its only a few days old!
You Orthodox Turk wannabe Macedonian
This applies to you as well SLAVIC PIG.
GREATER ALBANIA
What are you going to call yourself then ?

ALBANIAN OF COURSE !

“Makedonia Vergina Sun”

Since: Jun 08

Thessaloniki

#11 Feb 19, 2012
The Informed Reader wrote:
More total bollocks Nick!
And still using your stolen nickname I see!
That's just dark, sinister and not a little creepy Nick, stealing the name of a dead man!

Stupid Englishman.
Interesting how Nick the Greek is trying to make a point about FYROM's UNDISPUTED Paionian past yet you decide to totally bypass any mention to this fact. Instead to intentionally avoid the subject and instead draw attention to HIS past. If you want to talk about HIM then start your own discussion with HIM as a subject.
The topic in question is about FYROM's Paionian link. So I ask you directly and do your best (however difficult it may be but please try) to stay on the subject and to the point:
Do the people whom live in FYROM (excluding the Albanians) have any link to the ancient Paionoans? YES or NO?
Her are some references to keep you occupied for the weekend:
The region that today forms the Republic of Macedonia has been inhabited since Paleolithic times. It was settled predominantly by the Paionians, Dardani and other tribes of mixed Thraco-Illyrian origin. The Paionians settled in the central Balkans in the valleys of the rivers Struma, Vardar and Bistrica around 4000-3500 B.C.E. At some point thereafter, the Paionian tribes coalesced into a kingdom centered in the central and upper reaches of the Vardar and Struma rivers. They joined with the Illyrians in resisting the northward expansion of the Macedon. In 360-359, southern Paionian tribes were launching raids into Macedon in support of an Illyrian invasion.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Rep...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeonia_%28kingd...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paeonians.p...
In the time of Classical Greece, Paeonia might have later included the whole Vardar River valley and the surrounding areas, in what is now a small strip along the northern part of the Greek region of Macedonia, most of the present-day Republic of Macedonia, and a small part of southwestern Bulgaria.
Encyclopædia Britannica online - Paeonia
In early times, the chief town and seat of the Paionian kings was Bylazora (now Veles in the Republic of Macedonia) on the Axios; later the seat of the kings was moved to Stobi (now Pusto Gradsko). At some point thereafter, the Paeonian princedoms coalesced into a kingdom centred in the central and upper reaches of the Axios and Strymon rivers, corresponding with today's northern Republic of Macedonia and western Bulgaria.
Raphael Sealey, A History of the Greek City States, 700-338 BC, University of California Press, 1976, p.442, on Google books
Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond, Guy Thompson Griffith, A History of Macedonia: 550-336 B.C, Clarendon Press, 1979
R. Malcolm Errington, A History of Macedonia, University of California Press, 1990
Carol G. Thomas, Alexander the Great in his World, Wiley-Blackwell, 2006
Simon Hornblower, The Greek world, 479-323 BC, Routledge, 2002
^Diodorus Siculus, Library, 16.4, on Perseus
Now Id like to see YOUR references that prove that FYROMians have nothing to do with ancient Paionians, for if they are related to the ancient Macedonians then they are equally related to ancient Paoionians and the ancient Dardanians and the ancient Illyrians after which the queston would be easier to answer, "Do the people whom live in FYROM (excluding the Albanians) have any link to the ancient Paionoans? YES or NO?"

Since: Nov 11

Greece

#12 Feb 19, 2012
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
The only archeological evidence that comes out is from your ass and its only a few days old!
You Orthodox Turk wannabe Macedonian
http://youtu.be/H6aFucV9EtM
This is your language!
Right?
Makedonijan

Asia/Pacific Region

#13 Feb 19, 2012
Just keep ignoring the truth and proof in the facts I give youse Gayreek Gypsies from Gayreece (Hell Ass) in my posts on here that proves Macedonia is not Gayreek Gypsy and is not part of Gayreece (Hell Ass) and that Gayreek Gypsies from Gayreece (Hell Ass) are from Shiptare and Turkish dna, roots, origins and ancestors because it won't get youse Gayreek Gypsies from Gayreece (Hell Ass) far when it finally defaults on their debt and declares bankruptcy and becomes part of Greater Albania and Greater Turkey after it sells all it's countries land and islands and etc... To pay back half of it's debt off and watch as the Gayreek Gypsies from Gayreece (Hell Ass) go in civil war with each other over who gets a Shiptare and Turkish passport or not so they can go back to their true and real Shiptare and Turkish origins.
Lmfao!
XD
PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN

Hausmannstatten, Austria

#16 Feb 19, 2012
Long live Macedonia !Macedonia is Hellenism!
Macedonians are Greeks since 3000 years.
Greek history of Macedonia:

Philipp II was a Greek Olympionike! Not a Slavobulgar.
See Plutarch:

5 Be that as it may, Alexander was born early in the month Hecatombaeon,5 the Macedonian name for which is Loüs, on the sixth day of the month, and on this day the temple of Ephesian Artemis was burnt. 6 It was apropos of this that Hegesias the Magnesian made an utterance frigid enough to have extinguished that great conflagration. He said, namely, it was no wonder that the temple of Artemis was burned down, since the goddess was busy bringing Alexander into the world. 7 But all the Magi who were then at Ephesus, looking upon the temple's disaster as a sign of further disaster, ran about beating their faces and crying aloud that woe and great calamity for Asia had that day been born. 8 To Philip, however, who had just taken Potidaea, there came three messages at the same time: the first that Parmenio had conquered the Illyrians in a great battle, the second that his race-horse had won a victory at the Olympic games, while a third announced the birth of Alexander. 9 These things delighted him, of course, and the seers raised his hopes still higher by declaring that the son whose birth coincided with three victories would be always victorious.
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ttp://penelope.uchicago.edu/Th ayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Li ves/Alexander*/3.html
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Ptolemaida, Greece

#17 Feb 19, 2012
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
The only archeological evidence that comes out is from your ass and its only a few days old!
You Orthodox Turk wannabe Macedonian
http://youtu.be/mIRe5tnqRKM
Macedonians was,is and they always be Greek!
You are what?
Fake?
No escape zone for you pseudonation!
Makedonijan

Asia/Pacific Region

#19 Feb 19, 2012
Makedonija za zivot!

:D
PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN

Hausmannstatten, Austria

#20 Feb 19, 2012
Makedonijan wrote:
Makedonija za zivot!
:D
Ajde bre PARANOID Fyromian, titoistic Yugoslavian Pseudonation!!
Makedonija is the Greek name Makedonia in Serbocroatian! It is not Skopian name!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!
Not exists a Yugoslavian pseudomacedonian nation before 1945!

Demographic Statistic Yugoslavia 1921-1931:
http://www2.units.it/~storia/corsi/Dogo/tabel...

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