Dual Citizenship In Lithuania

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Veritas

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Oct 3, 2012
 
GreatGrandofKiskis wrote:
I have done some research thru ellisisand.org about my GGF. He is listed on the document as coming from Russia. I know this to be untrue. Will this cause an issue?
Lithuania was officially part of Russia prior to February 16, 1918. All documents prior to that date will list ethnic Lithuanians as Russians.

You are not eligible for dual citizenship unless a parent or grandparent was a citizen of Lithuania between February 16, 1918 and June 15, 1940 (the date of the Russian invasion).
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Oct 3, 2012
 

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Tu daune ar isvis esi buves lietuvoi.Forumo nuopisa.Del tokiu kaip tu ir nekencia musu,kad tu padvestum,sune
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Oct 5, 2012
 
Vytautas wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunately, the law for obtaining Lithuanian citizenship was changed in November of 2006 as a result of a ruling by the Lithuanian Supreme Court. Until that time it was very easy for the children and grandchildren of people who were citizens of Lithuania to obtain citizenship. Since November 16th, you can only get Lithuanian citizenship if you renounce any other country's citizenship. My opinion: Another stupid act by the Lithuanian government! The more Lithuanian citizens there are across the world, the better it would be for "musu tevyne."
I do agree with you that the law is stupid. i born in Lithuania and lived there for 20 years. Moved to USA and live here for 9 year, I am about to get USA citizenship in several years and i am hoping that Lithuania going to change this law. I believe this is unfair that I will not be able to obtain dual citizenship.
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#457
Oct 18, 2012
 
Jeff, have you got any further? I'm in Cape Town, collecting evidence and trying to get proof of citizenship from the archives in Lithuania. I'd be grateful if you have any advice on the whole process.
Jeff Sacht Johannesburg wrote:
This post is important for South Africans applying for any form of LT citizenship let alone Dual Citizenship(by right of Descent). See new law and regulations promulgated in Dec 2010 and 1 April 2011. http://www3.lrs.lt/pls/inter3/dokpaieska.show...
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It seems that given the above there is probably a 'flood' of applicants once again from South Africa. Note the following:
REGARDING THE APPLICATIONS OF CITIZENS OF THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA FOR THE REINSTATEMENT OF THE CITIZENSHIP OF THE REPUBLIC OF LITHUANIA
The Embassy of the Republic of Lithuania kindly informs that starting from 10 March 2012 the applications for the reinstatement of the citizenship of the Republic of Lithuania will only be accepted in person at the Embassy of the Republic of Lithuania in Tel Aviv according to previous registration. The applications may also be submitted at the Migration Department under the Ministry of Interior of the Republic of Lithuania.
A consular mission to the Republic of South Africa is being planned in the second part of 2012. During the mission it will be possible to submit the applications for the reinstatement of the citizenship of the Republic of Lithuania; other consular services will also be provided. The exact date of the mission will be announced on the webpage of the Embassy later this year. Persons willing to receive information regarding the consular mission by e-mail may register at amb.il@urm.lt.
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#458
Oct 23, 2012
 
Isa wrote:
Jeff, have you got any further? I'm in Cape Town, collecting evidence and trying to get proof of citizenship from the archives in Lithuania. I'd be grateful if you have any advice on the whole process.
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>> I have received an (informal) positive reply from Tel Aviv re dual citizenship based on decent. So looks like I am finally home and dry. But, will believe it when I see it on an official reply/letter head.

Yr question is too broad to answer. Your best bet is to make an appt. to meet with the consular staff from Tel Aviv between Nov 26 and Dec 05 2012 who will be in Jhb. If there are enough people who make an appt with them they will travel here. The consular service mentioned in my earlier post will not happen (finances!!).
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Oct 23, 2012
 
That's great. Following your advice I emailed Tel Aviv but not sure I can come up from Cape Town then or if it's even worth it as I still have to complete my application to Lithuanian Archives who need to check for proof of my grandfather's citizenship. Can I email you? Any way of getting round dual citizenship?
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>> I have received an (informal) positive reply from Tel Aviv re dual citizenship based on decent. So looks like I am finally home and dry. But, will believe it when I see it on an official reply/letter head.
Yr question is too broad to answer. Your best bet is to make an appt. to meet with the consular staff from Tel Aviv between Nov 26 and Dec 05 2012 who will be in Jhb. If there are enough people who make an appt with them they will travel here. The consular service mentioned in my earlier post will not happen (finances!!).
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Oct 23, 2012
 
Isa wrote:
That's great. Following your advice I emailed Tel Aviv but not sure I can come up from Cape Town then or if it's even worth it as I still have to complete my application to Lithuanian Archives who need to check for proof of my grandfather's citizenship. Can I email you? Any way of getting round dual citizenship?
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I found the archive people to be efficient and helpful. Make the appointment and keep pushing to get whatever documentation you can lay your hands on. whatever you have can be discussed with the people coming out here. They will give you in black and white what is needed by way of proof. There is no way around the dual/citizenship rules and law. The only way round anything is to prove you have a right and/or give up your SA citizenship. That said that option may not exist any longer. The Consular staff can tell you if it does.
Isa

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Nov 12, 2012
 
Jeff wrote:
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I found the archive people to be efficient and helpful. Make the appointment and keep pushing to get whatever documentation you can lay your hands on. whatever you have can be discussed with the people coming out here. They will give you in black and white what is needed by way of proof. There is no way around the dual/citizenship rules and law. The only way round anything is to prove you have a right and/or give up your SA citizenship. That said that option may not exist any longer. The Consular staff can tell you if it does.
Thanks, Jeff. I tried to get through to the Tel Aviv number over a couple of days. When I did they told me to call back later and it was engaged again.. So I will see if I can still make a late appointment. Will you let me know if your citizenship comes through?
Isa

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#462
Nov 16, 2012
 
Jeff, you were right - I've just received a letter from the Lithuanian Archives confirming that they have documentation proving that my grandfather was Lithuanian. However, I've tried repeatedly to phone Tel Aviv, pre and post the deadline, without finding anybody who deal with these appointments - today they said I must phone back Monday.

Does anyone know whether they're actually coming? I don't was to book a flight from Cape Town unnecessarily.
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Nov 17, 2012
 
Isa wrote:
Jeff, you were right - I've just received a letter from the Lithuanian Archives confirming that they have documentation proving that my grandfather was Lithuanian. However, I've tried repeatedly to phone Tel Aviv, pre and post the deadline, without finding anybody who deal with these appointments - today they said I must phone back Monday.
Does anyone know whether they're actually coming? I don't was to book a flight from Cape Town unnecessarily.
Hi Isa, can you please send me details of how you got in contact with the Lithuanian Archives. I'm also from SA and am interested in looking into Lithuanian citizenship. What kind of documentation did the Archives have proving that your grandfather was Lithuanian? You can email me on cats4444@gmail.com. Many thanks.
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#464
Nov 19, 2012
 
Veritas wrote:
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Lithuania was officially part of Russia prior to February 16, 1918. All documents prior to that date will list ethnic Lithuanians as Russians.
You are not eligible for dual citizenship unless a parent or grandparent was a citizen of Lithuania between February 16, 1918 and June 15, 1940 (the date of the Russian invasion).
No man. Lithuania was never Russia, prior of 1918. it was a sovereign republic.
Veritas

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#466
Nov 22, 2012
 
hahaha wrote:
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No man. Lithuania was never Russia, prior of 1918. it was a sovereign republic.
I know what you mean, hahaha. Lithuania always maintained its separate ethnic identity and went through heroic measures to retain its own language during the pre-1918 Russian occupation.

What I meant was that Russia conquered Lithuania and considered it part of its territory -- and unfortunately so did most of the rest of the world. For example, people emigrating from Lithuania to the U.S. prior to 1918 had Russian passports and were usually documented as originating from Russia, even though they certainly considered themselves Lithuanian.
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#468
Dec 29, 2012
 
Veritas,

My g-grandparents immigrated to the US from Lithuania prior to 1918. As you previously mentioned, their immigration information lists as coming from Lithuania/Russia with an ethnicity of German. They spoke German and Lithuanian and had Lithuanian family names. I can find their birth information from Lithuania. It is my understanding that Lithuanian residency and citizenship (non dual) can be granted based on being of Lithuanian descent. Is my understanding of this correct? Thanks!
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#469
Jan 8, 2013
 
Had best news ever today from Tel Aviv Embassy people. I am on the list of restored citizenship people to be signed off at the minister's office. Could be done in a day or six weeks or six months. This is the closest I have to an official confirmation short of the certificate being in my hands. Jeff Sacht
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Isa wrote:
Jeff, you were right - I've just received a letter from the Lithuanian Archives confirming that they have documentation proving that my grandfather was Lithuanian. However, I've tried repeatedly to phone Tel Aviv, pre and post the deadline, without finding anybody who deal with these appointments - today they said I must phone back Monday.
Does anyone know whether they're actually coming? I don't was to book a flight from Cape Town unnecessarily.
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#470
Jan 12, 2013
 
The LT consulate officials did visit Jhb/SA in late Nov 2012. They processed up to 200 applicants/inquiries for dual citizenship. All age groups, but mostly younger applicants 20-30's.
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Jan 14, 2013
 
awaiting sign off at Mini wrote:
Had best news ever today from Tel Aviv Embassy people. I am on the list of restored citizenship people to be signed off at the minister's office. Could be done in a day or six weeks or six months. This is the closest I have to an official confirmation short of the certificate being in my hands. Jeff Sacht
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Well done, Jeff. That's great.
Jeff Johannesburg

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Mar 19, 2013
 
Citizenship granted!!
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Well done, Jeff. That's great.
IAN

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#473
Mar 23, 2013
 
Ron Gradaranskus wrote:
Wow, you sure are one racist Jew with a sense of entitlement, aren't you? Lithuania OWES you citizenship?? The statement that there are good and bad in every race is not something used to justify genocide, as you blatantly claim. Also, the whole thing about Jews being targeted because they supported communism is a load of crap as well. Then you make some lame half assed excuse about how the poor Jews turned to communism because it offered a "release from anti-semitism". The Jews INVENTED communism, you idiot. One thing we can agree upon, the Jews have been a target of hate throughout human history in whatever country they have set foot in. You'd say this is through no fault of their own.... people in every country everywhere throughout history just seems to hate the Jews for no apparent reason at all. What's the fallacy with that argument?
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Thanks, you've just proven my point - the anti-semitism lies barely beneath the surface and the old stereotypes re communists and Jews haven't diminished in 100 years. The Jews invented communism? But aren't they all rich capitalists? Or have you forgotten that stereotype - you know, like the ones who want to come and grab all the property from the modern Lithuanians? Capitalists, Commies, my goodness these Jews are complex aren't they!! Didn't they own half the businesses in your little Lithuanian shtetls, these communist Jews!!?
IAN

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Mar 23, 2013
 
Alex wrote:
Ok, So I found out that my Great Grandparents left before 1918, around 1905 for Canada, I have records to prove that they did in fact live just outside of Vilnius. Am I still eligible for citizenship?
Cheers-
Yes isn't it interesting how the Lithuanians don't recognise the period of Soviet occupation as a period when Lithuanian's were not citizens of an independent nation called Lithuania i.e. if your family left LT during that time after 1940, you had a right to citizenship by descent, because the Soviet occupation was 'illegal'.

However, the period of Russian occupancy prior to 1918 excludes descendents from citizenship, because the Lithuanians do somehow recognise that period of occupation as excluding people who lived in the Lithuanian part of the Russian empire, so it appears from their perspective, although Lithuania had a proud history of independence long before the 20th century, the modern Lithuanians do recognise the occupation by the Russian empire as extinguishing Lithuania as a nation. Seems like selective historical interpretation to me.

Anything to do with ongoing anxieties about people of Jewish descent, perhaps? After all you wouldn't want all those rich capitalist Jews from the USA and South Africa coming and taking over Lithuania would you (hang on, aren't all Jews commies and that's why they needed to be eliminated from Lithuania, it's so confusing isn't it!?)

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Mar 23, 2013
 
IAN wrote:
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Yes isn't it interesting how the Lithuanians don't recognise the period of Soviet occupation as a period when Lithuanian's were not citizens of an independent nation called Lithuania i.e. if your family left LT during that time after 1940, you had a right to citizenship by descent, because the Soviet occupation was 'illegal'.
However, the period of Russian occupancy prior to 1918 excludes descendents from citizenship, because the Lithuanians do somehow recognise that period of occupation as excluding people who lived in the Lithuanian part of the Russian empire, so it appears from their perspective, although Lithuania had a proud history of independence long before the 20th century, the modern Lithuanians do recognise the occupation by the Russian empire as extinguishing Lithuania as a nation. Seems like selective historical interpretation to me.
Anything to do with ongoing anxieties about people of Jewish descent, perhaps? After all you wouldn't want all those rich capitalist Jews from the USA and South Africa coming and taking over Lithuania would you (hang on, aren't all Jews commies and that's why they needed to be eliminated from Lithuania, it's so confusing isn't it!?)
I am against such newly approved requirements, but I'll try to explain as how come it is so...
Whilst arguments presented by you have a valid points, you missed, that Lithuanian Seimas had a long discussion regrading all of the parameters and there's simple concern about one being "Lithuanian", whilst not related to the country and taking advantage of citizenship. Many Soviet Occupants, obtained Lith "passport" and left back to russia, EU etc, having tax breaks, legal rights of Lithuanian citizen- thus is quite an problematic.
Surely, if you where interested to keep Lithuanian roots, you might say, that apart from heritage- you might decide to move to Lith... Absolutely different laws for naturalization applied in such circumstances as oppose to ones wiling to have dual citizenship for the sake of such.

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