Motsamai

Centurion, South Africa

#257 Oct 25, 2012
I think nobody has the right to lay claim to nothing they no nothing about.It only shows that my sister clearly has a few brain cells if any?
Motsamai

Pretoria, South Africa

#258 Oct 26, 2012
Oa Bochabela wrote:
<quoted text>
According to anthropologists the Nguni group (to which Zulu belongs) and the Sotho group (to which we belong) share a common root. We simply share a common origin; neither is the progenitor of the other.
Furthermore, when the founder of the Zulu nation was busy building his empire; all the groupings which are collectively known as Basotho were already in existence, each with its own leader. we regard Moshoeshoe as the founder of the Basotho nation because out of number of related but separate tribes he created a single nation. We were Basotho simply because we shared a common language and culture but politically we paid allegiance to our respective clans. Moshoeshoe changed that by making sure that politically we paid allegiance to a single King, himself. It is true that among us there are people of the same origins as the Zulus ie Matebele. Even they do not originate from the Zulu tribe but simply from the same core group ie Nguni....to be continued.
Well said, I respect your comments because it shows you have clearly researched your remarks and not just making some unsound comments, thank you
lekgema

Johannesburg, South Africa

#259 Nov 7, 2012
komane =ngomane=nkomane= nkumane this are the same people.As you can see with other surname komane is actually a nguni by origin.6
Lerotholi Moshoeshoe

Johannesburg, South Africa

#260 Nov 9, 2012
Wena pajero hao tsebi letho Lebitso la ntate moholo Moshoeshoe Ke Lepoqo Hape ntwena ya hore rona bana ba thesele retsoa Bakoneng ake dumellane le yona rona ba koteli ba ntate Moshoeshoe retsoa popelong ya bafokeng ene ele marena a pele sechabeng sena sa basotho, mazulu ana elle boang ka wona babang ba bona tsoa ho rona basotho, habane bo Molapo e laba bo mlambo, bo mokoena e la ba bo ngwenya ha ba fihla koana ha chaka ba roengwe ke morena moshoeshoe, ha retswe bakoneng lekhale ke ya hana le ka phoso!!!
Abdel Hamid

Europe

#261 Nov 11, 2012
some of what u r saying is
true but Basotho are not
Zulus but Hlubis (google this
great oppressed nation)
Moshoeshoe's father
Mokhachane (Mkhatshane)
was Hlubi, our nation grew so
big that it produced other
nations, amaSwati are such a
nation. Basotho have Pakalita
(Mpangazitha) in Lesotho,
that clan descends from the
Hlubi King Mpangazitha who
fled to Lesotho during the
Imfencane wars to start what
became the Lifaqane wars.The
Tsotetsi (Sondezi) clan
descends from Sondezi who
was a prominent member of
the Hlubi nation. I agree much Tshepo people have this propensity to mix Chobonas(Zulus)with amaHlubi well amaHlubi were never n will never b Chobonas! People lets b Pragmatic amaHlubi r close related to all basotho nation like The Tswana, Tlokwa, Sotho of Lesotho, Pedi and the Lobedo even their initiation schools r the same and ive been to one! amaZulu r boys n a useless nation in fact they were never kings at the first places so Manqoba Xaba he e u r right with ur facts but amaHlubi kingdom n progreny Bt it was never started in Zambia.. Noways my brother i even Proved to u guys in amaNguni the shlok kingdoms n that amaHlubi kingdom has a complicated lineage so r the vicejerents and so r the basothos, even Thembus from Thembuland r baThepu! y confuse them when even themselves dnt regards themselves as Xhosa!
Abdel Hamid

Europe

#262 Nov 12, 2012
Basotho e re ke raye mo go re Moshoeshoe ke moHlubi e seng Mashaboro a leng maZulu! maZulu ha ba ye kolebollo kgotsa Bokgwere kgotsa koma! Batho ba tlogele ko ikapanya le maShoboro a leng bo Chobona(MaZulu).. Mkhatshana ke Mora wa ga Bhungane le pale ya ko gae ya ko Mehlomakhulu ko Sterkspuit or Hershell mo ke kgosi ba ko gae le bona ba tlalosa so se sinotsi go re Moshoeshoe ke leloko le lenotsi la ko gae janong rotle re eitsi nnete pale jwa di kgosi tsa maZulu ha ya tlaka sentle go ya ka kitso ya rona batho bao e ne e se dikgosi maHlubi gape a se maNguni ka go re ko ba tlatlokang teng ke ko Rwanda ha o ka libelela sentle miri jwa bone ha e tshwane go tsama ka pale jwa bone! Mahlubi le basotho o tlhe go tsenyeletsa Batswana, Batlokwa, Bapedi gape le Balobedo ka mo e tlo ba na le tirisano mogo.. Ka kopo Mazulu never becames they were spices to the british n a fake nation! Mfecane ke nta jwa ga Zwide Langa ka Xaba n he was very power killed as many as that of the Khumalos n Mthethwa due he was a slave trader to the British n Portugese so the British killed nt Shaka never this man was power ke maka hela! a la eitsi pale jwa Ga tshaka etshwana le Pale jwa ga Tshawe kgosi jwa maXhosa? ppl Zulus r nt Hlubis n never did maHlubi Ke di Bosso
http://www.iol.co.za/mercury/
zulus-were-never-kings-says-
clan-head-1.1279649

Since: Aug 13

South Africa

#263 Jan 6, 2013
mba wrote:
<quoted text>That is a wishful thinking Mountain Queen, there are There are only four Tribes in Sub-saharan Africa with (three having a sub-tribes they are as follows -Basotho-under this tribe you get South Speaking Basotho, Bapedi(Basotho ba Lebowa) le Batswana- 2nd is Ngunis-here you get Zulus, Xhosas and Ndebeles and then the Shonas under this Tribe you find Bavhenda (Vho-Makhatzi) and Shaangan only. the last tribe that has been so much disriminated and not so much recognised, you get the Khoisan.
Be careful not to confuse tribes with sub-tribes and do not confuse this with clans either.
Jwale hee, o ka reng ka Mahlubi?

Since: Aug 13

South Africa

#264 Jan 6, 2013
Oa Bochabela wrote:
<quoted text>
According to anthropologists the Nguni group (to which Zulu belongs) and the Sotho group (to which we belong) share a common root. We simply share a common origin; neither is the progenitor of the other.
Furthermore, when the founder of the Zulu nation was busy building his empire; all the groupings which are collectively known as Basotho were already in existence, each with its own leader. we regard Moshoeshoe as the founder of the Basotho nation because out of number of related but separate tribes he created a single nation. We were Basotho simply because we shared a common language and culture but politically we paid allegiance to our respective clans. Moshoeshoe changed that by making sure that politically we paid allegiance to a single King, himself. It is true that among us there are people of the same origins as the Zulus ie Matebele. Even they do not originate from the Zulu tribe but simply from the same core group ie Nguni....to be continued.
I hear rumours that the Amahlubi and the Amaswati are not of Nguni oigin but of Tekela origin, which is why their speech is a bit different. Na o wa ba tseba bhatho bana ba bitswang "the Tekela group"?

Since: Aug 13

South Africa

#265 Jan 7, 2013
yvonne dineo kheswa wrote:
nna seboko saka ke kheswa ke batla ho tseba na kheswa ke matebele kapa mahlubi na?
Ke Mahlubi ngwaneso, empa he batho ba bang bare Mahlubi le Matabele ke ntho e leng, nna ke tswa Matatiele, mane re tseba Mahlubi le Matebe e se ntho e leng. Ke Basotho bana ba Lesotho ba bitsang Mahlubi a ha Phokane (Bhungane) le a ha Dlamini (bao ba bitswang Makhonishe) ka Matebele.

Since: Aug 13

South Africa

#266 Jan 7, 2013
Abdel Hamid wrote:
some of what u r saying is
true but Basotho are not
Zulus but Hlubis (google this
great oppressed nation)
Moshoeshoe's father
Mokhachane (Mkhatshane)
was Hlubi, our nation grew so
big that it produced other
nations, amaSwati are such a
nation. Basotho have Pakalita
(Mpangazitha) in Lesotho,
that clan descends from the
Hlubi King Mpangazitha who
fled to Lesotho during the
Imfencane wars to start what
became the Lifaqane wars.The
Tsotetsi (Sondezi) clan
descends from Sondezi who
was a prominent member of
the Hlubi nation. I agree much Tshepo people have this propensity to mix Chobonas(Zulus)with amaHlubi well amaHlubi were never n will never b Chobonas! People lets b Pragmatic amaHlubi r close related to all basotho nation like The Tswana, Tlokwa, Sotho of Lesotho, Pedi and the Lobedo even their initiation schools r the same and ive been to one! amaZulu r boys n a useless nation in fact they were never kings at the first places so Manqoba Xaba he e u r right with ur facts but amaHlubi kingdom n progreny Bt it was never started in Zambia.. Noways my brother i even Proved to u guys in amaNguni the shlok kingdoms n that amaHlubi kingdom has a complicated lineage so r the vicejerents and so r the basothos, even Thembus from Thembuland r baThepu! y confuse them when even themselves dnt regards themselves as Xhosa!
Dikgomo! Dikgomo tseo tsa le lapa la hao le manemane a tsona diate mme Kgotso e be lethabo. Ke a leboha hle morena waka ka ho hlalosa ntho eno, batho bana ba re bitsa ka Matsulu re le Mahlubi, re banna ba moetlo wa Basotho, re tswa kgohlong, re tseba hlompho. Ha re Matsulu e bile ha re Maxhosa kapa wona Maphoto! Batho ba lesele ho re bitsa Matsulu kapa ntho e ngwe kantle a Mahlubi kapa Basotho hee.
someone

Durban, South Africa

#267 Jan 9, 2013
le a tseba ka mokhoa o kenyonyang ntho ebitswang le zulu kateng ke utloa le nkwatisa lona ba lumellanang le hore retswa mazulung,right my hubby is a zulu,but hahobolele hore ke ea wa rata,lea tseba hore ntho tse litella joang,lekhale basotho le mazulu ke ntho tse 2 tsesa tswaneng,le zulu ha letswafe hore ha le obotsa hore na o bua puo efe,le o botse hore na o motho kapa o mosotho,eleng hore lona ke motho we na ha o motho.o bautloe bare bosotho banka banna ba bona hoba bana le malebe,nxa
athenkosi amaHlubi

South Africa

#268 Jan 13, 2013
The Imfecane scattered small tribes terrible and that was worsened by bias western forces who favoured powerful and majority nations I am under chief L Mzimkhulu in Qumbu Kubusi AA we live Hlubi lifestyle culture and customs. My concern is dat all people in walks of life should come together. A cultural Hlubi reneissance be found upon unifyng us a one.
Athi

South Africa

#269 Jan 13, 2013
Imfecane wars and scattered Hlubi nation accross whole country and neighbouring states. I am a proud Hlubi man. I am mthimkhulu bhungane marhoga uyababa njengetshongo. Isigoloza esimehl'abomnvu esagololoza enkundleni kwadadeboyis'uNtambose. Amashubel'esavela bhungane ka nasele ndim ke lowo kumnandi ukuzazi
Sebaila Tsaeeng

Europe

#270 Jan 16, 2013
Ho tlile joang hore ba ha Mthimkhulu Bhungane KaNsele ba bitsoe Matebele ka Lesotho empa e le Mahlubi Mangelengele
Pajero

South Africa

#271 Jan 17, 2013
After many years following this debate, i realise one thing! The Basotho nation is a mix of many tribes from back then. This is also revealed by the many names which have origins in some Nguni languages (Molapo, Pakalitha, etc). Now, the original question indirectly asked us to trace the Basotho founder's origin. It is almost becoming clear that there is some mistery in that. To date, nobody convinces me that Moshoeshoe has a known original Sotho name. Lerotholi, the Lepoqo name ha se lona! Feela, the important lesson is that southern african nations' history is so intertwined we look foolish with tribalism on the rise today!!!
Mohapi

Pretoria, South Africa

#273 Apr 22, 2013
tsela ya nnete wrote:
motho wa pele o na le mosoeu, empa ka lebaka la boemo ba leholimo mona afrika, mebala e ile ya chenchoa ke wedara ho isa mebaleng e boraone nyana. ha nako e ntse e tsamaea hoa fumanoa batho ba bararo ka lehaheng ba basotho "ba sootho" ba sebelisa lits'oants'o ho bua le babang, le ha u ka ea mahaheng u tla fumana litsoantso, which was the only form of communication back in the days.
'na ke entse research bo 'me le bo ntate.
Pls research. Your comment is ridiculous and deserves to be dealt as such, with impunity.
O bua nyoko
nna

Ashburn, VA

#274 May 18, 2013
who was moshoeshoes mother.the thing is someone said she was involved with a griqua.this is bull.when did she meet this griqua.not only the griqua are light skinned.
Bhungane Mthimkhulu

Ashburn, VA

#275 Jul 2, 2013
Ke utlwa ke thaba ha ke bona batho ba tsebang history ya ma Africa, i myself am a descendant of the Hlubi nation, i have gone on my knee in respect to our king Ingonyama Langalibalele, its sad that the Hlubis are seen as sub clan to the Zulus yet we are a huge stand alone nation, thanks for the love and respect lona ma apara kubo a matle
ishmizzy

Sweden

#276 Jul 5, 2013
I trembled upon this topic while searching for something on google. Anyhow it has been a pleasure reading all the posts, most of them have great insight.. I wish there was a more open platform for such topics, because most people have been misled by history books. And that's why I hate the fact that europeans write our history to benefit themselves. Thank you guys... I'll sure research more while I'm visiting this great mountain kongdom.
ishmizzy

Sweden

#277 Jul 5, 2013
ishmizzy wrote:
I trembled upon this topic while searching for something on google. Anyhow it has been a pleasure reading all the posts, most of them have great insight.. I wish there was a more open platform for such topics, because most people have been misled by history books. And that's why I hate the fact that europeans write our history to benefit themselves. Thank you guys... I'll sure research more while I'm visiting this great mountain kongdom.
Apologies, I meant to say kingdom..!

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