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“Ngoana Loti”

Since: Aug 07

These Mountains are My Home

#228 Apr 8, 2008
bbgood wrote:
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Me personally I don't live in RSA nor Lesotho. I live in UK but Lesotho is my home and always will be. I benefit from Lesotho being there and Lesotho benefits from me sending money home so we are all winners in the end. I don't believe Lesotho should be part of any individual state. Should southern africa become one large state with free movements of goods and services and labour then Lesotho should join...only if it benefits Lesotho...and if it doesn't there is no point joining. As for joining RSA...it really is not in our best interest to do so...both economically and politically. Indeed RSA has economic muscles but the people of RSA are not yet enjoying the benefits so why would the basotho people benefit. we have got a lot of water which we sell to RSA even though we did not get a fair....(they should have made it conditional on every Lesotho household having water and RSA would have done it as the population is small)... the world is now moving into a digital age lesotho should try going into it and stop trying to rely on subsiustence farming and RSA and we can do it too. Anyway I am getting sidetracked here. Yes I am reaping the benefits of being in the UK and Lesotho is my home but there is nothing wrong with that is there?
Noo, there is nothing wrong with staying in another country while advocating for a separate lesotho. I just wanted to hear your views so that it bocomes clear to me whether the people who are leaving outside Lesotho wish for a separate Lesotho because they still aspire to live in lesotho in the future to help her prosper or its just for a feeling that they come from an independent Lesotho, which they might never live at.

Ke thabela ha u hlakisitse hore u mpa u hapa likhomo feela, tseo u li romelang hae.

Ke thabela maikutlo a hao tabeng ena,'me nka thabela le a ba bang.

“Phoka”

Since: Nov 07

Paris, France

#229 Apr 9, 2008
Khaebana wrote:
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Here is another two-cent worth of my contribution, inspired by the latest comments on this topic. My comment will still go back to whether it is desirable for Lesotho to be incorporated into the Republic of South Africa.
Comparing the two countries’ education systems is not an issue here. I don’t even care how many South Africans came to Lesotho to study, and why.
What is important is the fact that the Basotho are increasingly aware of the immense benefits of studying in RSA and the impending opportunity to live and work in South Africa. They know that the education system in Lesotho is still not able to sufficiently prepare the learners for the future, yet the South African education system is increasingly making an effort to give learners skills for the vibrant job market the country has.
Ever wondered why hundreds of the Basotho are already studying in South African educational institutions, notwithstanding tedious bureaucratic processes and access controls enforced by the South African immigration authorities? Thuso ea thuto ea rona e se nang menyetla ea mesebetsi (ka ho hiroa kapa ho itšebetsa) ke efe?
Hastily concluding that NUL law students used to beat all others on moot courts, Ngoana oa Mmotsa, is of no real value. It is nothing to go by, and graduating excellent law students in Lesotho has almost invariably meant (1) losing them to South Africa or (2) keeping a frustrated bunch of lawyers in the Lesotho civil service.
Even if you used to shine at the University of Natal, South Africa has created a milieu of alternatives through the education system and private sector to take up even the average ex-students you are talking about. Rona re etsang? Not much! U tla ipolaisa Sekerenyana ka argument ena ea hau.
Khaebana,

Ke utlao litaba tsa hau. I don't argue to win but to challenge and learn from others what I may not be aware of. It would be an error to ignore other poeple's arguemnts much as I have mine which are not the worst of all.

If you read well, my arguments are much like yours unless I am wrong. I want to show the potential we have as Basotho that is not being exploited. I want to hummer home the point that our problem is not with the whole country but with our leaders and that we need new blood in out politics in Lesotho.

On the other hand, it is up to us as the public to take initatives to establish necessary infrastructure to build our own country. I look at the most richest people in Lesotho. They are not reinvesting their money in the people who made them rich in the first place. Sponsoring Likuena or upgrading sports facilities like tennis courts, stadiums, OR even build one of theirs that they will rent to sports organisations or the government, for example. All that is costly but I mean we cannot expect every thing to come from the government. E hana ho fihla mo e batlaong chelete ena re tlo bonts'a hore naho etsuoang ka chelete. Re tlo shoa re e siea chelete ena. Taba ea bohlokoa ke ho e sebelisa ka mokhoa oo e tla tsoela lelapa le sechaba molemo.

Hoha,

Phoka

“Phoka”

Since: Nov 07

Paris, France

#230 Apr 9, 2008
Oa Drakensberg wrote:
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Noo, there is nothing wrong with staying in another country while advocating for a separate lesotho. I just wanted to hear your views so that it bocomes clear to me whether the people who are leaving outside Lesotho wish for a separate Lesotho because they still aspire to live in lesotho in the future to help her prosper or its just for a feeling that they come from an independent Lesotho, which they might never live at.
Ke thabela ha u hlakisitse hore u mpa u hapa likhomo feela, tseo u li romelang hae.
Ke thabela maikutlo a hao tabeng ena,'me nka thabela le a ba bang.
Tanki Ntate. Taba tsa hau li hlakile.'Me ke ka hona e reng ha re bua re re "re tlil'o fata motsuntsunyane." Ha ke tsebe a le monga ea akhetseng lejoe.
chaks

Roma, Lesotho

#231 Jan 14, 2009
i think it is unpatriotic to even consider being a member of the rsa, even treason comes to mind, honestly. true, we do depend heavily on them but i doubt we would be high on their list of priorities. take a look at the eastern cape, still in the trenches of poverty, i doubt we burdening them (rsa) with another province would solve much, only lead us into feeling like intruders.....

“Phoka”

Since: Nov 07

Paris, France

#232 Apr 14, 2009
chaks wrote:
i think it is unpatriotic to even consider being a member of the rsa, even treason comes to mind, honestly. true, we do depend heavily on them but i doubt we would be high on their list of priorities. take a look at the eastern cape, still in the trenches of poverty, i doubt we burdening them (rsa) with another province would solve much, only lead us into feeling like intruders.....
I am sorry for having taken so long to respond. You have just hinted on the main reason why joining S.A would be dangerous for Basotho. All countries have poverty sticken citizens. Adding more poor people to any country, even if the country is a world superpower, would pull that country down, create hostility against foreigners and as a result through the Basotho at large into destitution which is not the case at the present moment.
mwa

Roma, Lesotho

#233 Apr 14, 2009
why do people have to pretend to be so ignorent? people,i know you are all mature here,even when you see that something is vital for the growth of the country,dnt just say NO ka Hlooho e tenya u sa behe mabaka a utloahalang. This country can hardly substain itself,non-the less its citizens! there are no jobs here,NOTHING! People go to school for the hell of it coz they do not get employed after that! Trust me,This country will NEVER develop,it goes without saying! It got so many donations from rich countries but its still in porvety! DoNT PRETEND TO BE DUMB! I KNW YOU CAN ALL SEE THAT ITS EITHER WE GIVE IN AND GO TO SA,OR WE REMAIN POOR FOREVER!

“PEACE TO THE WORLD ”

Since: Jan 08

the world

#234 Apr 14, 2009
mwa wrote:
why do people have to pretend to be so ignorent? people,i know you are all mature here,even when you see that something is vital for the growth of the country,dnt just say NO ka Hlooho e tenya u sa behe mabaka a utloahalang. This country can hardly substain itself,non-the less its citizens! there are no jobs here,NOTHING! People go to school for the hell of it coz they do not get employed after that! Trust me,This country will NEVER develop,it goes without saying! It got so many donations from rich countries but its still in porvety! DoNT PRETEND TO BE DUMB! I KNW YOU CAN ALL SEE THAT ITS EITHER WE GIVE IN AND GO TO SA,OR WE REMAIN POOR FOREVER!
no one is dumb or pretending to be dumb here. Just because you say we should join RSA doesn't mean we should. Just because we are poor doesn't mean that we will become rich by joining RSA which is a poor country itself with its own problems which make our problems look rather insignificant. You are rather persimistic. lesotho is not going to be poor forever. more people are getting educated, the health system is improving and the economy is relatively steady so what is your problem. If RSA gets rich, so will we and it is called multiplier effect but that doesn't mean that we have to be subserviant to RSA. We are already economically intertwined so what exactly will change if we become one country. I am afraid the same old problems will remain. It is with deep regret that I have to say it is only you who is showing yourself to be naive and ignorant by making assumptions that others are ignorant purely because you do not agree with their point of view
jason

United States

#235 Apr 14, 2009
As much as we all wanna see the day that Lesotho becomes self reliant with a solid economy. I would like to say like it is: That day will never shine any time soon, not in our life time nor our children. The country has gone to the dogs a very very long time ago.
The more things changes in Lesotho is the more they remain the same. It has has been a while since I began following this topix and tremendous contributions that you all make. I hail you all for that. Use all your God given talents, innovations, and your brains to better yourselves. Fade will take care of the homeland.
Everyman for himself and may God help us all.
One from Spain

Europe

#236 Oct 22, 2009
What's more I would make Southafrica part of Leshoto :)
Moses

Bellville, South Africa

#237 Nov 5, 2010
I'd seriously like to know why Lesotho and Swaziland are not part of south africa, fpr example, province of this coutry, SA.

Anyone interested in answering my question may email it to mushemoses2gmail.com OR 2700422@uwc.ac.za.

please am curious about this.
Nnete

United States

#238 Feb 27, 2012
Those who want to be part of sa go and leave us in peace and join that country which is full of silly women basali ba aforeka boroa ba sele kannete tsamaeang beso and enjoy grants tsa fatherless children tsa li gay tsa botekatse le re sie le lesotho fatse labo ntata rona tsamaeang se ka re memang le ilo bua seqhotsa le se zula
letlatsa

Maseru, Lesotho

#239 Mar 15, 2012
I actually think that Lesotho should stop dreaming about becoming part of South Africa. Its high time that Lesotho and her people should start to develop themselves meaning, we should stop allowing the imports to come in our country more especially the products that we are able to manufacture ourselves.One other is that if Lesotho can be ruled by people who love her not people who are selfish like the current one,our country could be among the richest in the world.
ponto

Maseru, Lesotho

#240 Mar 16, 2012
One from Spain wrote:
What's more I would make Southafrica part of Leshoto :)
I like you man I personally too don't see any good in South Africa especially with its current strategy I'm afraid the ANC doesn't have the quality that's needed to do the job.SA's economy is still in the white man's hands,so who is investing in SA?
Tshwanelo Berente

United States

#241 Jun 29, 2012
As a young South African I think Lesotho being part of us would add to our problems. Yes we are the biggest economy in Africa but we can't carter for another 1.5million people. But the fact of the matter is, Lesotho will never be independent, and I repeat, NEVER!

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