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Poho-Li-Matla

Roma, Lesotho

#1 Aug 24, 2008
Makhooa ana are retsoa Congo, na ke nnete taba ee beso??
Poho-Li-Matla

Roma, Lesotho

#2 Aug 24, 2008
Max

Maynooth, Ireland

#3 Aug 24, 2008
Poho-Li-Matla wrote:
http://www.answers.com/BANTU
Ha ke tsebe na ebe ho etsahetseng pele ke ho feng feela I studied history of the central part of Africa and I seem to remember a leader by the name of Sebetwane migrating with his group north and settled somewhere north of Zambia. In fact, I was at NUL with a Zambian. Some of the words we use are very similar, like ngo (nko), mlomo (molomo), Mosi oa Thunya (Lake Victoria) etc. My view is that we have always been down here.
Poho-Li-Matla

Roma, Lesotho

#4 Aug 24, 2008
Is it true that most books of african history are written by white people and do you think they are giving us the right infor?
I am sorry for such stupid question but I have never studied history in my life!!
Max wrote:
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Ha ke tsebe na ebe ho etsahetseng pele ke ho feng feela I studied history of the central part of Africa and I seem to remember a leader by the name of Sebetwane migrating with his group north and settled somewhere north of Zambia. In fact, I was at NUL with a Zambian. Some of the words we use are very similar, like ngo (nko), mlomo (molomo), Mosi oa Thunya (Lake Victoria) etc. My view is that we have always been down here.
Maizi

Lesotho

#5 Aug 24, 2008
Poho-Li-Matla wrote:
Makhooa ana are retsoa Congo, na ke nnete taba ee beso??
There are many similarities in the languages spoken in Congo both Lingala and Kicongo and our Southern African languages of Sesotho origin. If you listen carefully a child , mother and other words e.g. crying , knelling they are all similar. The same applies to one language spoken by Baganda of Uganda; Lozi spoken in Zambia is definitely a rudimentary Sesotho. The big question is did we spread downwards or did we move from South Northwards?

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Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#6 Aug 24, 2008
Poho-Li-Matla wrote:
Makhooa ana are retsoa Congo, na ke nnete taba ee beso??
Could be true BUT let's distinguish between linguistic origins and genetic origins. Our language is in the Bantu family and its linguistic roots are closely related to the languages of the Congo. DNA is another issue.
Bernard Leeman

Bangkok, Thailand

#7 Aug 24, 2008
Sebetooane and Moshoeshoe (Lepoqo) were both disciples of the Prophet Mohlomi Monyani, who travelled in many parts of southern Africa, including Botswana and pobably Zambia. During the Lifaqane Sebetoane led an amphibious military foce to found the Lozi nation in western Zambia.

Sesotho words are understood in many parts of Africa where the closelt related Bantu languaes are spoken. In addition people tend to migrate to places that resemble their former homes. Therefore it is not surprising that people living in mountainous areas far apart often are related. The Basotho were until the 1820's primarily a plains people.

Books about Africa are usually written by Europeans maybe beause people who buy books are usualy relatively wealthy middle class Europeans although African American women are now prolific writers and readers. Books are also very expensive. A 300 page book that costs $1.80 to produce will sell for about $25. When I printed my 700 page history of Lesotho it cost $9 to produce (free to anyone as email attachement from [email protected]). Machobane's much smaller Lesotho book costs over 200 dollars.

Publishers are also very censorious. A book that praises Mandela will be published whereas books on Sobukwe or Biko only get published if they anhance a white person's relationsip with them (Pogrund, Woods).
Hlomphang

Lappeenranta, Finland

#8 Aug 24, 2008
The truth is theories like these will always emerge simply because of curious behavior of human nature. However, we shouldn't define our origins on unfounded evidence.

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Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#9 Aug 24, 2008
Bernard Leeman wrote:
Sebetooane and Moshoeshoe (Lepoqo) were both disciples of the Prophet Mohlomi Monyani, who travelled in many parts of southern Africa, including Botswana and pobably Zambia. During the Lifaqane Sebetoane led an amphibious military foce to found the Lozi nation in western Zambia.
Sesotho words are understood in many parts of Africa where the closelt related Bantu languaes are spoken. In addition people tend to migrate to places that resemble their former homes. Therefore it is not surprising that people living in mountainous areas far apart often are related. The Basotho were until the 1820's primarily a plains people.
Books about Africa are usually written by Europeans maybe beause people who buy books are usualy relatively wealthy middle class Europeans although African American women are now prolific writers and readers. Books are also very expensive. A 300 page book that costs $1.80 to produce will sell for about $25. When I printed my 700 page history of Lesotho it cost $9 to produce (free to anyone as email attachement from [email protected]). Machobane's much smaller Lesotho book costs over 200 dollars.
Publishers are also very censorious. A book that praises Mandela will be published whereas books on Sobukwe or Biko only get published if they anhance a white person's relationsip with them (Pogrund, Woods).
here, you again speak of linguistic origins not genetic. maybe i don't understand the essence of the thread.
Bernard Leeman

Bangkok, Thailand

#10 Aug 25, 2008
KHUBELU wrote:
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here, you again speak of linguistic origins not genetic. maybe i don't understand the essence of the thread.
True. Maybe future highly refined DNA testing will give you the answers.

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Since: Aug 07

These Mountains are My Home

#11 Aug 25, 2008
Poho-Li-Matla wrote:
Makhooa ana are retsoa Congo, na ke nnete taba ee beso??
'Na ke ile ka utloa ho thoe re tsoa Egepeta, ra theosa joalo haka Central Africa re ntse re shota ra ba ra tla fihla mona moo re teng kajeno. Ena ea Congo ke qala ho e utloa.
Liphallelo

South Africa

#12 Aug 25, 2008
Lumelang likoata,

Athe ha le tsebe hore le tsoa Congo!

Mamelang he likoata:

Le tsoa Congo koana la fihla la bolaea baroa ka sehloho hofihlela ba batla ba timela tu. Ha le qeta eaba joale Chaka u kena ho lona ka Lerumo. Ha se mohlolo ho fumana maqhetsoana a lona Basotho ho tloha Angola (caprivi) ho phunyeletsa ho kena Zanbia.

Ke hantleng he likoata ho holo ke ho ngola mona ho bala teng khatang!!!
Pajero

South Africa

#13 Aug 26, 2008
The other mental victimisation we allow from contemporary history is the categorisation amongst southern african tribes, into so-called Bantu and Nguni types. I beg to differ. If you observe the cultures of Zulus and Xhosas (Nguni) the basic langauge make-up (vocabulary and construction of sentences) differs very little you would be tempted to think there are common origins with Bantu's. In fact, i think these divisions have more to do with setting these tribes onto each other over petty differences than realilty (vs myth). These fabricated differences made it very easy for the white colonialists to dominate for so long. As for the Congo origin, it's absolute rubbish. It's there to make ownership of land debates difficult because according to this fallacious theory both blacks and whites in South Africa are then settlers!!!!
Red Dragon

Shanghai, China

#15 Aug 26, 2008
I agree. African society has always been very adaptable and fluid so catagorising people permanently into "tribes" is pointless.
mobamome

Potgietersrus, South Africa

#16 Jul 23, 2010
My theory; Batho bohle ba Souhern Africa haholo ba lulang linaheng tsa Botwana Lesotho le Swaziland ha re tsebe moo re tsoan teng. It might be that we evolved right where we are and we kept of separating from each other by our pastoralist nature moo re neng re batla makhulo a macha when our communities grew larger and we could have been separated and re-united over millenia and as a result we ended up speaking different dialects of the same language that we call Zulu, Sesotho, Setswana, Sepedi etc. How is that for a theory. This could have been encouraged by our frequent droughts that plague our part of the world. the result of this could have been many small clans and tribes that got scattered over this massive dry plains that could have regrouped and broke-up and regrouped over many centuries.

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Since: Jul 10

South Africa

#17 Jul 23, 2010
Khubelu - regarding DNA, National Geographic has a human genome project - for $99 plus postage costs - you can determine you true origins.

But I have always been under the impression that us the "Bantu" have migrated from around Sudan - but that is what I read, written from a white perspective, so I may be wrong.

Bernard I am taking you up on your offer.
MR NTATE ABUTI

South Africa

#18 Aug 17, 2010
Ka lehlohonolo nna ha ke tsoe CONGO kapa DRC. Ke emong oa batho ba tsebang leloko(10th generations) laka ho tloha ka selemo sa 1400 bao ba neng ba dula boroa ba naha ea Botswana ho seo se neng se bitsoa Transvaal. ho tjena:
Ke Ntate Abuti wa leloko la leshome (10th generation) la Bakoena ba ha Modibedi ho tsoa ho Morena Kuena ya hlahileng lilemong tsa bo 1400; yena a tsoala Khabo, Ngoato le Ngoaketsi; Khabo a tsoala Masilo (ea neng a tsejoa hape ka Mosito); Masilo a tsoala Mokotedi le Napo; Napo a tsoala Motebang, Disema le Molapo; Motebang a tsoala Molemo; Molemo a tsoala Tsolo le Tsoloane; Tsolo a tsoala Tsotelo (lemong tsa bo 1760) eleng ntata Bakoena ba ha Modibedi. Makhoahla (1870) a tsoala Joseph Chitja (1900); Joseph Tsoene Chitja a tsoala Selake, Kadinyana le Nnana; Kadinyana Chitja (1936) a nyala Smangela Theresia Tshabalala (1939) mme bona ba emola Ngoana matsibolo eleng
nna (NTATE ABUTI)
Morena Moshoeshoe ha se ntate moholo, empa feela a tseba ntate moholoholo oaka eleng Tsoloane.
kea leboha.

Since: Aug 10

Sweden

#19 Aug 17, 2010
MR NTATE ABUTI wrote:
Ka lehlohonolo nna ha ke tsoe CONGO kapa DRC. Ke emong oa batho ba tsebang leloko(10th generations) laka ho tloha ka selemo sa 1400 bao ba neng ba dula boroa ba naha ea Botswana ho seo se neng se bitsoa Transvaal. ho tjena:
Ke Ntate Abuti wa leloko la leshome (10th generation) la Bakoena ba ha Modibedi ho tsoa ho Morena Kuena ya hlahileng lilemong tsa bo 1400; yena a tsoala Khabo, Ngoato le Ngoaketsi; Khabo a tsoala Masilo (ea neng a tsejoa hape ka Mosito); Masilo a tsoala Mokotedi le Napo; Napo a tsoala Motebang, Disema le Molapo; Motebang a tsoala Molemo; Molemo a tsoala Tsolo le Tsoloane; Tsolo a tsoala Tsotelo (lemong tsa bo 1760) eleng ntata Bakoena ba ha Modibedi. Makhoahla (1870) a tsoala Joseph Chitja (1900); Joseph Tsoene Chitja a tsoala Selake, Kadinyana le Nnana; Kadinyana Chitja (1936) a nyala Smangela Theresia Tshabalala (1939) mme bona ba emola Ngoana matsibolo eleng
nna (NTATE ABUTI)
Morena Moshoeshoe ha se ntate moholo, empa feela a tseba ntate moholoholo oaka eleng Tsoloane.
kea leboha.
empa le wena moholoane nalane ontse o inkile majakaneng, ana o na le bonnete ba yona?
Anonymous

Vereeniging, South Africa

#20 Aug 17, 2010
sebutsoabutsoane wrote:
<quoted text> empa le wena moholoane nalane ontse o inkile majakaneng, ana o na le bonnete ba yona?
Ho arebela enoa ngoaneso nka re ho tjena:

1. Aborigines are from Australia, not anywhere in the world.
2. Moabs are from New Zealand, not anywhere in the world.
3. Egyptians are fro Egypt, not anywhere in the world.
4. Aztecs are from South America, not anywhere in the world.
5. Basotho are from Southern Africa, not anywhere in the world!!!!!

SO, WHAT'S MY POINT?

My point is majakane (masetedi) ao o buang ka ona are all Europeans who found people in countries they colonized (or must I say conquered or occupied) and changed the face of history to suit their ambitions
!
Anonymous

Vereeniging, South Africa

#21 Aug 17, 2010
do you believe history according to europeans????
or history according to Africans?????

ho botsa nna Mothofeela Makhetha, motho ea sa eloeng hloko haholo, hobane ke mothofeela!!!

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