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“Ke Lehooana la bo-Tlalane”

Since: Aug 07

Malimong Ha Mapeshoane

#1 Sep 26, 2007
Ba haeso,

Kgale ke nahana ka taba e na ya phapang e pakeng tsa Sesotho sa Lesotho le sa Afrika Borwa. Ke iphapantse nako e telele ha batho ba mpolella ho re ke ngola Sesotho se itseng ka phoso jj., feela ke batla ho bua ka sheko.

Ke qadile dilemo tsa pele tsa primary school Lesotho, ka morao ho moo lelapa leso la terekela Mzansi. Ka hoo, ke tlwaetse tshebediso ya Sesotho sa Lesotho (LSe) le Sesotho sa South Africa (SASe), le ha ele hore nna ke sebedisa SASe ka lebaka la tlwaelo.

Ntho e ntenang, jwalo ka motho ya tlwaetseng mekgwa e na e mmedi ya ho ngola puo, ke batho ba sa tsebeng phapang, kapa moo e qadileng teng.

So, for my own selfish needs, ke kopa ho beha taba ena tafoleng once and for all. Phapang ya ya LSe le SASe e qadilwe (sp.) ke Bafora le Manyasemane.

Bo-Arbusset et al. ha bane ba qala ("apparently" - because I don't want to say that hongola ho tlile ka makgowa mona ho rona) orthography ya Sesotho, ba sebedisitse melao ya puo ya seFora - hence the dipthongs tse ka reng bo "oa" ,"oe", le di-vowel tse qalwang ka 'L': "lu", "li" etc...

I'm not very sure of this, but I think it's reasonable to suppose that Sesotho se ngolwang South Africa se itshetlehile melaong ya puo ya senyasemane - hence the phonetic spelling sa di-dipthongs: "wa", "we", le di-vowel tse qalwang ka 'D': "du", "di" etc...

What i want to know is, given the history of the differences, do people who make claims tse tshwanang le tsa bo-Mokubung ka hodimo not feel a bit silly sometimes? Kapa le nahana jwang lona beng ka foramo?

“Ngoana Loti”

Since: Aug 07

These Mountains are My Home

#2 Sep 26, 2007
Ausi Lerato wrote:
Ba haeso,
Kgale ke nahana ka taba e na ya phapang e pakeng tsa Sesotho sa Lesotho le sa Afrika Borwa. Ke iphapantse nako e telele ha batho ba mpolella ho re ke ngola Sesotho se itseng ka phoso jj., feela ke batla ho bua ka sheko.
Ke qadile dilemo tsa pele tsa primary school Lesotho, ka morao ho moo lelapa leso la terekela Mzansi. Ka hoo, ke tlwaetse tshebediso ya Sesotho sa Lesotho (LSe) le Sesotho sa South Africa (SASe), le ha ele hore nna ke sebedisa SASe ka lebaka la tlwaelo.
Ntho e ntenang, jwalo ka motho ya tlwaetseng mekgwa e na e mmedi ya ho ngola puo, ke batho ba sa tsebeng phapang, kapa moo e qadileng teng.
So, for my own selfish needs, ke kopa ho beha taba ena tafoleng once and for all. Phapang ya ya LSe le SASe e qadilwe (sp.) ke Bafora le Manyasemane.
Bo-Arbusset et al. ha bane ba qala ("apparently" - because I don't want to say that hongola ho tlile ka makgowa mona ho rona) orthography ya Sesotho, ba sebedisitse melao ya puo ya seFora - hence the dipthongs tse ka reng bo "oa" ,"oe", le di-vowel tse qalwang ka 'L': "lu", "li" etc...
I'm not very sure of this, but I think it's reasonable to suppose that Sesotho se ngolwang South Africa se itshetlehile melaong ya puo ya senyasemane - hence the phonetic spelling sa di-dipthongs: "wa", "we", le di-vowel tse qalwang ka 'D': "du", "di" etc...
What i want to know is, given the history of the differences, do people who make claims tse tshwanang le tsa bo-Mokubung ka hodimo not feel a bit silly sometimes? Kapa le nahana jwang lona beng ka foramo?
Ke batla ke sa utluisise na u lebisa kae, etsoe le puo eo u e sebilisang ha ke e utluisise hantle. Ha re na kasheko Sesothong sa Lesotho le sa Afrika Boroa.

Taba ea hore puo ea rona mongolo oa eona o itsetlehile ho ea Sefora ke e utluile ka makhetlo. Haholo le baruti ba Katholiki ba ho fihla Lesotho pele, bo-Gerard, Mazenod le Bernard, ba ne ba bua puo ea Sefora joalo ka Bo-Arbouset, kaha ba ne ba etsoa naheng ea France le ea Canada which is also largey a French speaking nation.

Feela litba tsa hau li lebisa kae khaitseli, hlakisa haholoanyane na u tsoengoa ke eng.

“Seithati by nature”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#3 Sep 26, 2007
Ausi Lerato wrote:
Ba haeso,
Kgale ke nahana ka taba e na ya phapang e pakeng tsa Sesotho sa Lesotho le sa Afrika Borwa. Ke iphapantse nako e telele ha batho ba mpolella ho re ke ngola Sesotho se itseng ka phoso jj., feela ke batla ho bua ka sheko.
Ke qadile dilemo tsa pele tsa primary school Lesotho, ka morao ho moo lelapa leso la terekela Mzansi. Ka hoo, ke tlwaetse tshebediso ya Sesotho sa Lesotho (LSe) le Sesotho sa South Africa (SASe), le ha ele hore nna ke sebedisa SASe ka lebaka la tlwaelo.
Ntho e ntenang, jwalo ka motho ya tlwaetseng mekgwa e na e mmedi ya ho ngola puo, ke batho ba sa tsebeng phapang, kapa moo e qadileng teng.
So, for my own selfish needs, ke kopa ho beha taba ena tafoleng once and for all. Phapang ya ya LSe le SASe e qadilwe (sp.) ke Bafora le Manyasemane.
Bo-Arbusset et al. ha bane ba qala ("apparently" - because I don't want to say that hongola ho tlile ka makgowa mona ho rona) orthography ya Sesotho, ba sebedisitse melao ya puo ya seFora - hence the dipthongs tse ka reng bo "oa" ,"oe", le di-vowel tse qalwang ka 'L': "lu", "li" etc...
I'm not very sure of this, but I think it's reasonable to suppose that Sesotho se ngolwang South Africa se itshetlehile melaong ya puo ya senyasemane - hence the phonetic spelling sa di-dipthongs: "wa", "we", le di-vowel tse qalwang ka 'D': "du", "di" etc...
What i want to know is, given the history of the differences, do people who make claims tse tshwanang le tsa bo-Mokubung ka hodimo not feel a bit silly sometimes? Kapa le nahana jwang lona beng ka foramo?
Nna o oa mmakatsa lehooana la bo Tlalane! ha u tseba sesotho hore sengoloa joang hobaneng ha u retlela ka mongolo ooo??? why didn't you address your question in appropriate sesotho writting??? kapa le uena u lenyesemane na mmanyeo??word of advice, i also reside in Mzansi but i was raised in mountain kingdom as a child, ke bona hone ho sa hlokale hore ebe u ngotse ka mongolo oa afrika boroa empa u tseba mongolo oa Lesotho...Don't claim to be something you are not, be proud of who you are sister!!
Pinch

Lesotho

#4 Sep 26, 2007
What I know is that our language i.e. Southern Sesotho is now refined to where it is now. This topic was once on debate at Lesedi FM a while ago where Professor Matsela and others of the Language Board is SA largely talked about the difference especially in writing. In speech not so much a difference. He wanted Basotho in SA to speak and write our Sesotho, but SA was adamant that the change will take course soon, as they have to approach many departments or so on that. People in SA mix Sesotho, Sepedi and Setswana this is why we have the language they talk. But I also believe that something has to be done to change the habit especially when we Basotho copy a lot of things from the neighbourhood. We have to be proud of our Sesotho and live it! Even our customs have to be pure Sesotho. Thanks for tabling this issue, I also invite other forum members to join as usual.

“le lapa le jele !”

Since: Sep 07

Fate se setsho sa Mafeteng !

#5 Sep 26, 2007
You are neither a lesser Mosotho nor a better Mosotho just because you write a South African or Lesotho Sesotho .
I do not value that difference at all.....Affirm yourself first as a Mosotho and live your life...

Khotso !

“Seithati by nature”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#6 Sep 26, 2007
Sekerenyana wrote:
You are neither a lesser Mosotho nor a better Mosotho just because you write a South African or Lesotho Sesotho .
I do not value that difference at all.....Affirm yourself first as a Mosotho and live your life...
Khotso !
leha u ka shoa u kutse ngoaneso, ha ho nnete e fetang eno
KOPO

Lesotho

#7 Sep 26, 2007
Ausi Lerato wrote:
Ba haeso,
Kgale ke nahana ka taba e na ya phapang e pakeng tsa Sesotho sa Lesotho le sa Afrika Borwa. Ke iphapantse nako e telele ha batho ba mpolella ho re ke ngola Sesotho se itseng ka phoso jj., feela ke batla ho bua ka sheko.
Ke qadile dilemo tsa pele tsa primary school Lesotho, ka morao ho moo lelapa leso la terekela Mzansi. Ka hoo, ke tlwaetse tshebediso ya Sesotho sa Lesotho (LSe) le Sesotho sa South Africa (SASe), le ha ele hore nna ke sebedisa SASe ka lebaka la tlwaelo.
Ntho e ntenang, jwalo ka motho ya tlwaetseng mekgwa e na e mmedi ya ho ngola puo, ke batho ba sa tsebeng phapang, kapa moo e qadileng teng.
So, for my own selfish needs, ke kopa ho beha taba ena tafoleng once and for all. Phapang ya ya LSe le SASe e qadilwe (sp.) ke Bafora le Manyasemane.
Bo-Arbusset et al. ha bane ba qala ("apparently" - because I don't want to say that hongola ho tlile ka makgowa mona ho rona) orthography ya Sesotho, ba sebedisitse melao ya puo ya seFora - hence the dipthongs tse ka reng bo "oa" ,"oe", le di-vowel tse qalwang ka 'L': "lu", "li" etc...
I'm not very sure of this, but I think it's reasonable to suppose that Sesotho se ngolwang South Africa se itshetlehile melaong ya puo ya senyasemane - hence the phonetic spelling sa di-dipthongs: "wa", "we", le di-vowel tse qalwang ka 'D': "du", "di" etc...
What i want to know is, given the history of the differences, do people who make claims tse tshwanang le tsa bo-Mokubung ka hodimo not feel a bit silly sometimes? Kapa le nahana jwang lona beng ka foramo?
MABURU KE 'ONA A SENTSENG SESOTHO SA SOUTH AFRICA.SE NE SE NTSE SE NGOLOA JOALO KA SA LESOTHO.BA NE BA KOPANYA MERABE EO LIPUO LI BATLANG LI TSOANA,I.E,BASOTHO,BATSWANA,ET C.CHECK WITH MOKHATLO OA SESOTHO OA AFRIKA BOROA,THEY ARE PLANNING TO REVIVE SESOTHO SE NEPAHETSENG(SA LESOTHO).
thakantona

Vanderbijlpark, South Africa

#8 Sep 26, 2007
Oa tseba keng oena lerato, u seke oa tlo ferekanela mona, u tla soaba! Ure u ngola sesotho sa mzanzi hobane se qapiloe ke mafora? kapa untse u reng na?

Ke batla ho utloa ha u buoa na u peteketsa hole hokae? e kare feela u sitoa ho ngola ebe ho bua teng ho joang.

“Ke Lehooana la bo-Tlalane”

Since: Aug 07

Malimong Ha Mapeshoane

#9 Sep 26, 2007
Sekerenyana wrote:
You are neither a lesser Mosotho nor a better Mosotho just because you write a South African or Lesotho Sesotho .
I do not value that difference at all.....Affirm yourself first as a Mosotho and live your life...
Khotso !
Ke dumellana le wena mona, Sekerenyana. Point ya nna hantle ke hore ee, phapang e teng - feela there really is no "better" version.

What there is, is simply a difference in the spelling. Ha ele nna ke motlotlo ka puo - regardless of the spelling.

“Ke Lehooana la bo-Tlalane”

Since: Aug 07

Malimong Ha Mapeshoane

#10 Sep 26, 2007
thakantona wrote:
Oa tseba keng oena lerato, u seke oa tlo ferekanela mona, u tla soaba! Ure u ngola sesotho sa mzanzi hobane se qapiloe ke mafora? kapa untse u reng na?
Ke batla ho utloa ha u buoa na u peteketsa hole hokae? e kare feela u sitoa ho ngola ebe ho bua teng ho joang.
Ke kopa hore o bale entry ya ka hantle pele o botsa dipotso tse sa hlokahaleng.
thakantona

Vanderbijlpark, South Africa

#11 Sep 26, 2007
Ausi Lerato wrote:
<quoted text>
Ke kopa hore o bale entry ya ka hantle pele o botsa dipotso tse sa hlokahaleng.
ke tla bala joang ke bona ele litsie-balimo feela tse ngotsoeng moo! Ako ngole hantle le uena ke tsebe ho bala.

“Ke Lehooana la bo-Tlalane”

Since: Aug 07

Malimong Ha Mapeshoane

#12 Sep 26, 2007
thakantona wrote:
<quoted text>
ke tla bala joang ke bona ele litsie-balimo feela tse ngotsoeng moo! Ako ngole hantle le uena ke tsebe ho bala.
Lol :-D Hao, Motho wa Modimo! ke lekile ka nnete ho ntsha grammar ya ka ya Sontaha.'phooso ha di le teng, tjhe, ha kere hothwe di tsamaya le mohatisi?

“Ke Lehooana la bo-Tlalane”

Since: Aug 07

Malimong Ha Mapeshoane

#13 Sep 26, 2007
Pinch wrote:
What I know is that our language i.e. Southern Sesotho is now refined to where it is now. This topic was once on debate at Lesedi FM a while ago where Professor Matsela and others of the Language Board is SA largely talked about the difference especially in writing. In speech not so much a difference. He wanted Basotho in SA to speak and write our Sesotho, but SA was adamant that the change will take course soon, as they have to approach many departments or so on that. People in SA mix Sesotho, Sepedi and Setswana this is why we have the language they talk. But I also believe that something has to be done to change the habit especially when we Basotho copy a lot of things from the neighbourhood. We have to be proud of our Sesotho and live it! Even our customs have to be pure Sesotho. Thanks for tabling this issue, I also invite other forum members to join as usual.
Tankie ngwaneso. Ke hlahisitse taba e na hobane ke batla ho qala project ya ho ngola content (dibuka, websites etc) ya Sesotho and I would like to be familiar le batho ba tsebang ho bala le ho ngola Sesotho (LSe & SASe).
Katse eja makoenya

Pietermaritzburg, South Africa

#14 Sep 26, 2007
Hela Basotho, ke kopa le se lahlehe, sesotho ke sesotho! Ea reng ha hona phapang sesothong sa South Africa le sa Lesotho ke kopa a inahane. Phapang hae mongolong feela. Hobaneng ha etlare ole Cape Town, Jo'burg or anywhere in South Africa ha o bua Basotho ba teng ba be ba hlokomela hore o mosotho oa Lesotho?

Hobaneng baa ba phaphang ba lesotho ba lulang South Africa ha ba fihla Lesotho ebe Basotho ba hlokomela hore ba tsoa ka ntle ho naha? Katse ea eja makoenya!
Motseka-papa

Johannesburg, South Africa

#15 Sep 26, 2007
Ache 'na Ausi Lerato hake bone phapang pakeng Sesotho sa Moshoeshoe le sa Afrika Boroa (eseng sena sa lona sa makeichining) haholo-holo ha re tla ho see buuoang. Mongolong ho ka ba le phapang empa 'na ke bona esa t'soenye (uena u no tla re "tshwenye")hobane puong ha e etse phapang.

Itsoellepele uena khaitseli eaka ka mongolo o ratoang ke uena. Hahona le motho ea tla u khopisa hobane le sena sa Moshoeshoe ke bona se ntse se amoheleha Aforika Boroa mona. Mohlala; Hona le lenaneo la litaba la telefishini ea aforika boroa le bitsoang Leihlo la Sechaba. Ha ba re "Leihlo la Setjhaba" (jolokaha uena o no tla cho).
tadi

Cape Town, South Africa

#16 Sep 27, 2007
KOPO wrote:
<quoted text>
MABURU KE 'ONA A SENTSENG SESOTHO SA SOUTH AFRICA.SE NE SE NTSE SE NGOLOA JOALO KA SA LESOTHO.BA NE BA KOPANYA MERABE EO LIPUO LI BATLANG LI TSOANA,I.E,BASOTHO,BATSWANA,ET C.CHECK WITH MOKHATLO OA SESOTHO OA AFRIKA BOROA,THEY ARE PLANNING TO REVIVE SESOTHO SE NEPAHETSENG(SA LESOTHO).
Hona ke 'nete. Hona tjena South Africa hahosana Basotho, hona le Sothos kapa language ea Sesotho ese e bitsoa Southern Sotho not Sesotho joale ka mehleng pele mengolo ena e fetoha. Enoa ea iclaimang ka hore hahona phapang ea mengolo ena eena oa nyela.

“le lapa le jele !”

Since: Sep 07

Fate se setsho sa Mafeteng !

#17 Sep 27, 2007
Ke lakatsa batho ba reng Sesotho sa Afrika Boroa , puong eseng mongolong ha se sona , ba ke ba etele libaka tsa Matatiele tsa Basotho e seng Maqhotsa . Ke a u tiisetsa leleme la batho bano le tsebo ea bona ea meetlo ea Sesotho e phala ea runa ka Lesotho ka moona .
Mokhatlo oona oa Mokhahla oa Thesele o theiloeng Foreisetata moono ho bokeletsa Basotho le bochaba ba bona o theiloe o bile o nka malebela Matatiele e seng Lesotho .
Qwaqwa e ikentse seotlo sa meetlo ea Basotho le lijo tsa bona ho feta Lesotho .'Nete ke hore bahahlauli ba tla Lesotho ho boha botle ba naha ea rona empa thuto ka bophelo ba Basotho le meetlo ba ka e fumana Afrika Boroa e feletse .

'Na ke re Mosotho ke Mosotho ho sa khathaletsehe hore o Afrika Boroa kapa Lesotho esita le hona Zambia ba teng Basotho . Re hloka ho tiisa kopano ea Basotho ho feta pele , re tle re thibele thaburanyo le tsenkollo ea chaba seena sa Moshoeshoe .
Ka hlompho e kholo , palollano eena ha e ahe Basotho !
Likhomo
Motseka-papa

Johannesburg, South Africa

#18 Sep 27, 2007
Sekerenyana wrote:
Ke lakatsa batho ba reng Sesotho sa Afrika Boroa , puong eseng mongolong ha se sona , ba ke ba etele libaka tsa Matatiele tsa Basotho e seng Maqhotsa . Ke a u tiisetsa leleme la batho bano le tsebo ea bona ea meetlo ea Sesotho e phala ea runa ka Lesotho ka moona .
Mokhatlo oona oa Mokhahla oa Thesele o theiloeng Foreisetata moono ho bokeletsa Basotho le bochaba ba bona o theiloe o bile o nka malebela Matatiele e seng Lesotho .

Qwaqwa e ikentse seotlo sa meetlo ea Basotho le lijo tsa bona ho feta Lesotho .'Nete ke hore bahahlauli ba tla Lesotho ho boha botle ba naha ea rona empa thuto ka bophelo ba Basotho le meetlo ba ka e fumana Afrika Boroa e feletse .
'Na ke re Mosotho ke Mosotho ho sa khathaletsehe hore o Afrika Boroa kapa Lesotho esita le hona Zambia ba teng Basotho . Re hloka ho tiisa kopano ea Basotho ho feta pele , re tle re thibele thaburanyo le tsenkollo ea chaba seena sa Moshoeshoe .
Ka hlompho e kholo , palollano eena ha e ahe Basotho !
Likhomo
tuuu!!
Letlama

Gaborone, Botswana

#19 Sep 27, 2007
Motseka-papa wrote:
Ache 'na Ausi Lerato hake bone phapang pakeng Sesotho sa Moshoeshoe le sa Afrika Boroa (eseng sena sa lona sa makeichining) haholo-holo ha re tla ho see buuoang. Mongolong ho ka ba le phapang empa 'na ke bona esa t'soenye (uena u no tla re "tshwenye")hobane puong ha e etse phapang.
Itsoellepele uena khaitseli eaka ka mongolo o ratoang ke uena. Hahona le motho ea tla u khopisa hobane le sena sa Moshoeshoe ke bona se ntse se amoheleha Aforika Boroa mona. Mohlala; Hona le lenaneo la litaba la telefishini ea aforika boroa le bitsoang Leihlo la Sechaba. Ha ba re "Leihlo la Setjhaba" (jolokaha uena o no tla cho).
Lenaneo lena leo o buang ka lona ke belaela ele la sepedi e seng sesotho hoba le presentera o bua sepedi.

Sekerenyana ke utloa taba tsa hao ebile lia amoheleha ke hanana le uena feela ha o re hona le Basotho Zambia, ke lumela o bua ka the Lozis puo ea bona e atamelitse sesothong haholo empa hase Basotho otherwise le Batsoana otlare ke Basotho.

Hopola hore sechaba sa Basotho se thehiloe ke morena Moshoeshoe pele ho moo hone ho sena Basotho, rene re phela re le merabe joalo ka Bakoena, Bakgatla, Bafokeng joalo joalo 'me nakong eo Mefuta ea batho eo kajeno e bitsong Basotho, Batsoana, Bapeli le Marotse ene e le sechaba se le seng tlasa merabe eo kapa liboko tseo.

Bosotho bona bo tlile kamorao hore morena Moshoeshoe a re bokelle 'moho Thaba bosiu ebe o theha sechaba ha ke hopole nalaneng eo Marotse a ne a le teng Thaba bosiu.
Letlama

Gaborone, Botswana

#20 Sep 27, 2007
Ke lebala taba ea engoe hape, mohlomong o ka botsa hore na Mapedi o na a ne a le teng Thaba bosiu ha ho thoe ke Basotho ba lebowa. Taba ke hore the grouping ee tsoetseng the southern sotho le the northern sotho ke grouping ee e ntsoeng ke batho ba basoeu, le Batsoana o se makale ha ho thoe ke the western sotho, Batsoana le mapedi ha a so le beee Thaba bosiu.

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