Brain Drain: What will ABC do to curb this

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jason

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#21
Nov 5, 2007
 
Ah man, an error again. It goes as follows: Well actual this is for you.

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#22
Nov 6, 2007
 
jason wrote:
I think your are smart and agile but be careful double standards. If you want a piece of pie inthe global market you need to compete to the full extend without reserves. Let the foreign expects compete with basotho without favours/preferences.
I believe if a suitable position opens in Lesotho I should be given a chance to put up a reasonable contest not a first preference.
Let a person with good merits get the opportunity.
Thank you Jason. I appreciate your contribution and agree with you.

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#23
Nov 6, 2007
 
Oa Drakensberg wrote:
"But if there was another Mosotho who could be the CEO and Thahane could get a post at the World Bank, do not let him block the local CEO post for the other citizen and let someone else from elsewhere take the World Bank post for the benefit of his own country"
For the fact that some CEOs were imported for the top positions in our country is an evidence that there was not that another Mosotho who could be the CEO.
If there are no appropriately qualified Basotho, then why do you complain of brain drain?

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Nov 6, 2007
 
Oa Bochabela wrote:
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If there are no appropriately qualified Basotho, then why do you complain of brain drain?
What I do not agree with is your point that braid drain is a case where local intelligentsia go to work in foreign countries due to being overqualified for the local job market.

Yuor claim that:"HA HO HLOKAHALE HORE MOTHO OA LITSEBO A BEHOE MASERU A ETSA MOSEBETSI FOR WHICH HE IS OVERQUALIFIED".

There are very many reasons why people decide to find employment out of Lesotho other that overqualification. Let me come to the issue of Tim, as you used him in your example. There was never a time when the state concluded that Tim was overqualified for Lesotho and hence should be sent to the IMF.

You seem to believe that people who work out of the country are more qualified than those who remain in Lesotho. Then lets come to the case of Dr. Tsiu Selatile. He once worked in the academy of sciences in Russia, later worked at a high post in the development planing ministry of Tanzania for close to two. Then in the 1990s Selatile went to lecture at Roma. Then if while Selatile was overqualified for Lesotho job market when he was working in Russia and Tanzania would you say that his overqialification had deteriorated when he cabe back to work in Lesotho?

If Dr. Sefika of CBS was an amployee of any IT company in the US would you consider him more qualified than if he is running his own company in Lesotho!

Do you realise that that person you consider as being overqualified to be employed by as the manager of Leribe branch of Lesotho Bank could remain in Lesotho and set up his own bank or any business in Lesotho and apply his exellent skills, which acording to you can only be fully utilised in foreign coutries?

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Nov 6, 2007
 
He once worked in the academy of sciences in Russia, later worked at a high post in the development planing ministry of Tanzania for close to two DECADES.

Correction on the above comment.

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#26
Nov 6, 2007
 
Oa Drakensberg wrote:
He once worked in the academy of sciences in Russia, later worked at a high post in the development planing ministry of Tanzania for close to two DECADES.
Correction on the above comment.
I apologise for using Dr Thahane as an example. It is not my intention to use this forum to discuss individuals.
Point of correction: I never said people work outside the country because they are over-qualified for the local job market. All I said was people should be free to go for the type of jobs they are best qualified for wherever they happen to be; in Lesotho or outside Lesotho whatever the case might be.

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Nov 6, 2007
 
Oa Bochabela wrote:
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I apologise for using Dr Thahane as an example. It is not my intention to use this forum to discuss individuals.
Point of correction: I never said people work outside the country because they are over-qualified for the local job market. All I said was people should be free to go for the type of jobs they are best qualified for wherever they happen to be; in Lesotho or outside Lesotho whatever the case might be.
Then what were you trying to say on comment #7 when you said:

"Ha ho hlokahale hore motho oa litsebo tsa hau e be o senyetsoa nako o beuoe ofising Maseru o etsa mosebetsi for which he is overqualified. Tim Thahane, for example, spent years at the IMF doing what he was qualified to do; it would have been ridiculous to make him run the Lesotho Bank branch in Hlotse simply for the sake of stemming the brain drain. A ke re kaofela re chaisetsa hae, re kenya bana likolo hae, rea aha hae? Tsena tsohle li aha moruo oa naha."

What do you mean by overqualification?

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Nov 6, 2007
 
Lehlakore La Nnyo Ntso wrote:
Obviously or poor government is playing ingorant or they are plain stupid. With all the investment made in education sector what do you think ABC has in store for the Basotho 'Technocrats'? in my view we are one of the most literate nations in africa and at some point in time we'll have to be incentivised (if necessary) to come back home to build the Sleeping Giant - Lesotho
A brain drain or human capital flight is a common problem in developing countries, I doubt there is anything our governemnt or ABC can do to curb it.

The question is what skills are we loosing and what skills to we need to develop our country?

In my view, Brain Drain has hurt our health sector more than any sector.

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#29
Nov 6, 2007
 
Oa Drakensberg wrote:
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Then what were you trying to say on comment #7 when you said:
"Ha ho hlokahale hore motho oa litsebo tsa hau e be o senyetsoa nako o beuoe ofising Maseru o etsa mosebetsi for which he is overqualified. Tim Thahane, for example, spent years at the IMF doing what he was qualified to do; it would have been ridiculous to make him run the Lesotho Bank branch in Hlotse simply for the sake of stemming the brain drain. A ke re kaofela re chaisetsa hae, re kenya bana likolo hae, rea aha hae? Tsena tsohle li aha moruo oa naha."
What do you mean by overqualification?
Khaitseli, I think I answered this question before already. Any reasonable dictionary will explain the word, if that is what you are after. The comments I have written pretty much explain themselves and therefore I find it very difficult to unravel them any further just for you. More importantly this thread was started, I believe, for the purpose of debating the issue in question. You on ther other hand have stopped debating and resorted to "ho ntlaka".
If you have a point to make please do so. If you just want to have the last word on this subject, you are most welcome, I shall let you have it.

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Nov 6, 2007
 
Oa Bochabela wrote:
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Khaitseli, I think I answered this question before already. Any reasonable dictionary will explain the word, if that is what you are after. The comments I have written pretty much explain themselves and therefore I find it very difficult to unravel them any further just for you. More importantly this thread was started, I believe, for the purpose of debating the issue in question. You on ther other hand have stopped debating and resorted to "ho ntlaka".
If you have a point to make please do so. If you just want to have the last word on this subject, you are most welcome, I shall let you have it.
Ngoana Nkhaolise ntsoarele hle ne ke sa bue hampe. Ha e lale bo khaitseli ea motho. Topic tse kang ena moo ho buuoang litaba tse tjena li monate hoba li re fa monyetla oa ho qoba tse mona tse mahlapa. Letsatsi le monate ngoaneso.
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Nov 6, 2007
 
Thabo Lesholu wrote:
<quoted text>A brain drain or human capital flight is a common problem in developing countries, I doubt there is anything our governemnt or ABC can do to curb it.
The question is what skills are we loosing and what skills to we need to develop our country?
In my view, Brain Drain has hurt our health sector more than any sector.
Health sector is the most affected (as you said). Secondly, the booming construction industry in South Africa due to the development of the major ports, stadia and the "controversial" gautrain project has absorbed highly qualified construction sector professionals (engineers, technicians, quantity surveyors)from lesotho.

Hake hane batla pataloa ba khutlele hae feela kannete this skills exodus for better living standards is heavily robbing Lesotho of its intellectual capital.
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#32
Nov 6, 2007
 
Correction: ...robbing Lesotho of her intellectual capital...

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Nov 6, 2007
 
Motseka-papa wrote:
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Health sector is the most affected (as you said). Secondly, the booming construction industry in South Africa due to the development of the major ports, stadia and the "controversial" gautrain project has absorbed highly qualified construction sector professionals (engineers, technicians, quantity surveyors)from lesotho.
Hake hane batla pataloa ba khutlele hae feela kannete this skills exodus for better living standards is heavily robbing Lesotho of its intellectual capital.
I dont think Lesotho has much construction going on in the country at the moment but urgently need health professionals.

These are the people who should be given incentives to stay in the country. I also dont understand why NUL after so many years of existence, it still does not have medicine under its science fauculty.
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#34
Nov 6, 2007
 
The brain drain is the result of unfocused training.
I have always been particularly concerned with policies which have been swaying high percentages of candidates to scientific and financial professions in Lesotho, whereas we know we are not a scientifically developed country nor economically solid.
It was apparent that in the very near future these people were not going to be very effective without the balance with fellow colleagues in other innovative disciplines such as the Arts, Tourism and other disciplines, which almost conjure the economy from raw energies and materials.
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Nov 6, 2007
 
Thabo Lesholu wrote:
<quoted text>I dont think Lesotho has much construction going on in the country at the moment but urgently need health professionals.
These are the people who should be given incentives to stay in the country. I also dont understand why NUL after so many years of existence, it still does not have medicine under its science fauculty.
There is no heavy construction in the country at the moment but the construction sector professionals in the form of engineers and technicians can be very instrumental in the maintenance and development of the already deteriorating municipal infrastructure in the country.
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#36
Nov 6, 2007
 
I personally woldnt mind working back at home,I'm a technician,but the problem is first of all you straggle to get a job,secondly when you get it you get 1/4 salary of your competitor in SA,besides there is mno major constructions going on now.Lastly the government says it dosent have money to maintain deteriorating roads to name a few....so in the mean time we'll stay here in the greener pastures.....I love my country
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#37
Nov 7, 2007
 
I also believe brain drain is everywhere but it can be controlled to some level.

The fundamental reason for migration is mostly to improve the quality of life. This is the key area where politicians play the blind man's game. The other secondary reason is the working conditions.
My presentation will focus mainly of the health department which is hit hard by this migration as indicated by Thabo Lesholu.

First and foremost the salaries are an insult, secondly there is no provision for allowances like the overtime/call allowance, you are expected to work beyond office hours without any incentive and scarce skills allowance is only a dream.

There is a predetermined ratio of how many patients a doctor/nurse should see per day to avoid getting exhausted or getting overwhelmed, with HIV/AIDS in the picture and more human capital flight it is really challenging for the remaining few.

Our only referral hospital is a discrace where early in the morning you have to jump over leaking drains, where basic life saving machinery is not available thereby causing preventable deaths. I recall this other year when there was only one paeditrician in public service, you can imagine when she is overwhelmed some cases get transferred to GP's. The working conditions are unsuitable. I hear the new referral hospital is allocated M47 million, my God are we buliding a clinic or a referral hospital.

In a nutshell not much can be done with giants like RSA just across the border but certain things are mandatory.
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Nov 7, 2007
 
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#39
Nov 7, 2007
 
Lehlakore La Nnyo Ntso wrote:
Obviously or poor government is playing ingorant or they are plain stupid. With all the investment made in education sector what do you think ABC has in store for the Basotho 'Technocrats'? in my view we are one of the most literate nations in africa and at some point in time we'll have to be incentivised (if necessary) to come back home to build the Sleeping Giant - Lesotho
Maybe you will find this reading helping guys.
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx...
A similar local initiative?

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Nov 7, 2007
 
Lehlakore La Nnyo Ntso wrote:
Obviously or poor government is playing ingorant or they are plain stupid. With all the investment made in education sector what do you think ABC has in store for the Basotho 'Technocrats'? in my view we are one of the most literate nations in africa and at some point in time we'll have to be incentivised (if necessary) to come back home to build the Sleeping Giant - Lesotho
Lehlakore, I do not think this would be an easy task. Le ABC would have to work very hard curb this. The people who are making decisions for this country are so very ignorant. The only that they achieve is what goes into their bank accounts. Just look at how many technocrats has Lesotho lost just after the completion of LHWP works. Which I believe you are one of them. Ha hona motho a ka ahlamang Lesotho mona a pataloa chelete e lekanang le likhapha tsa Basotho. If you have the opportunity for the green pastures, I highly advice an individual to take that chance feela se ke oa fihla oa iphetola sekatana metseng ea batho.

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