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Dec 5, 2011
 
President Zuma is serious with Mangaung 2012. He has placed Limpopo Province Government under State Curatorship. Meaning that financial decision making over tenders and provincial budget spend on projects has been taken away from Premier Cassel Matale and influencer Malema who are now also to be placed under investigation for maladministration within the province. The fight for a 2nd term is becoming cloudy. what's your take?
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Dec 6, 2011
 
Pule h wrote:
President Zuma is serious with Mangaung 2012. He has placed Limpopo Province Government under State Curatorship. Meaning that financial decision making over tenders and provincial budget spend on projects has been taken away from Premier Cassel Matale and influencer Malema who are now also to be placed under investigation for maladministration within the province. The fight for a 2nd term is becoming cloudy. what's your take?
That's fine.But mark my words,the six top positions are going to be retained and Zuma will endorse Motlanthe to become the president of the country while himself remains the president of the the ANC doing what Mbeki wanted to do.And to his advantage,Zuma has no competitor and Motlanthe will be the one to assign his deputy of the country while he remains deputy of the ANC.
Pulumo

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#3
Dec 6, 2011
 
Ho a nyewa papa. The illitirate zuma is not suppossed to pull such moves. Is he really capable of this? Yes, he is the master mind msholozi in action. He is putting all his trusted cadres in all strategic positions. Thats the uneducated zuma for you. Hehehe, o masepa ka strategy boss. Ba mo nyatsang they are in for a big surprise. Dirty politics in play...
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#4
Dec 6, 2011
 
Are you saying dimpa tse kgolo tsa Malema di bakiloe ke hoja tjhelete ya setjhaba(limpopo). Empe ebe o bone ho etsahetseng ka di legends bo selebi. Zuma yena o kotsi haholo feela. but im inclined to agree with pikoko.

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Dec 6, 2011
 
Pule h wrote:
President Zuma is serious with Mangaung 2012. He has placed Limpopo Province Government under State Curatorship. Meaning that financial decision making over tenders and provincial budget spend on projects has been taken away from Premier Cassel Matale and influencer Malema who are now also to be placed under investigation for maladministration within the province. The fight for a 2nd term is becoming cloudy. what's your take?
Its not only limpopo. Its breathtaking show of force, the central government moved yesterday to take almost complete control of Limpopo province, and to directly intervene in key provincial departments in the Free State and Gauteng. Free state and gauteng's focus might be ubderstood, to be a mere premeditated move to control things and avoid money being given to Malema’s people. We know natal, e/cape, nw, nc have clearified their position. While f/state and Gauteng is divided. So they need to control things towards mangaung.

The surprise move appears to have been designed to both fix crippling delivery problems and to strengthen President Jacob Zuma ’s hand in ongoing political infighting in the ruling African National Congress (ANC).

The decision, taken at a special Cabinet meeting yesterday, means that Cabinet ministers will take over the running of five provincial departments in Limpopo, while Gauteng and Free State departments will receive "help" without being administered by central government. but they will check their moves.
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Dec 6, 2011
 
Gentlemen, kea di bona tsena kaofela. my real question is: Who is challenging Zuma for Mangaung? cause for now, no one has officially made himself available to challenge him.

Ke eng, baya mo tshaba na?
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Dec 6, 2011
 
Pulumo wrote:
Gentlemen, kea di bona tsena kaofela. my real question is: Who is challenging Zuma for Mangaung? cause for now, no one has officially made himself available to challenge him.
Ke eng, baya mo tshaba na?
No,ha ba motshabe.To challange for the leadership has not and will never be tradition to ANC but came with the x-pres Mbeki.The current leadership is still fine according to them.When Zuma put Gwede as Gen.Sec of ANC and rememba he actually Communist,he was strengthening the relationship between ANC and the Alliances which Mbeki failed to do but(Zuma) knowing that it won't happen that they will lead for as long as they are alliances.
Motlanthe is very wiseman but he lack public popularity which will always put him under Zuma wings and he has always been loyal to the organisation.If he (Motlanthe)can challange for the leadership,everyone who is against Zuma will want Motlanthe to be president which is going to cause divisions amongst the ANC(Polokwane 2007) but if he is still quite,obviously he is in good terms with Zuma and everything that Msholozi says will be done since he is still the president of the congress.ANC doesnt make decisions alone,everything it does has to be known by Cosatu and SACP.
Look at this:Most ANCs are illiterate while most of the SACPs are literate including Cosatu which has many educated people who serve the government of the illiterate.Should the alliances separate as Malema influenced(by always being against whatever Cronin or Young Communist League does or says),believe me ANC will be skeleton left with fat head with flesh and the new government will be of Communists,meaning everything will be controlled by the government.
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Dec 6, 2011
 
All of that thornily related ANC mafia brotherhood must be weeded out heartlessly. But who is to replace them and their Maharajes. Like the President's entire unprosecuted family and his Gupta friends, the ANC's provincial godfathers are bleeding their subjects to enrich themselves and their extended mafia families with support from corrupt commissioners of police and Simelane's NPA.

Some of them even murder the whistle-blowers, and get away with it. That's why a secrecy bill is vital to protect whistle-blowers against themselves so that David Mabuza, Ace Magashule, Julius Malema, Paul Mashatile, John Block, David Mabuza, may call on the Treasury for additional subsidisation of their criminal pursuits.
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Dec 6, 2011
 
Paballo wrote:
All of that thornily related ANC mafia brotherhood must be weeded out heartlessly. But who is to replace them and their Maharajes. Like the President's entire unprosecuted family and his Gupta friends, the ANC's provincial godfathers are bleeding their subjects to enrich themselves and their extended mafia families with support from corrupt commissioners of police and Simelane's NPA.
Some of them even murder the whistle-blowers, and get away with it. That's why a secrecy bill is vital to protect whistle-blowers against themselves so that David Mabuza, Ace Magashule, Julius Malema, Paul Mashatile, John Block, David Mabuza, may call on the Treasury for additional subsidisation of their criminal pursuits.
Fact.But who will be in the ANC and be against it?
I often guide my wife that U and I are like ANC and SACP and our son is Cosatu (for existance of our marriage) and not like ANC and DA or other minority parties against ANC in the parliament which is my house and she understands me and clearly she wont be against me but always stand by me even if I fail other people she will be quite cos she know everything about me.If ANCs are crooks and everything,so are the SACPs.
Did you hear Buthelezi commenting while Zuma was charged with rape,NO,why,because they are all Zulus even if he is an IFP.
Pulumo

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#10
Dec 6, 2011
 
Gentleman i dont see anyone challenging Zuma for president next year at Mangaung. there seems to be a dialogue but no one wants to be seen to support a particular candidate because of fear of association that might lead to exclusion. Not one wants to loose their confortable positions over silly association position.

But I agree that corruption allegations are used to fight political battles. But Maharaj is not behaving like an innocent victim as long as he blocks information rather than providing it he is behaving like someone with something to hide. He clearly is in trouble but, at this stage, my sense is that Zuma can win-re-election without Maharaj in his office. He might also kick maharaj out.

“Cogito ergo sum”

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#11
Dec 6, 2011
 
You said a mouthful gentlemen, I don't see much changes after Mangaung but I am inclined to agree with those that say Zuma may want to step down once his term is over thereby making way for Motlanthe. I think he, Zuma, lacks the egotism that characterised the former president and that is required if one is to make any meaningful contribution during their reign esp if it means losing popularity by going against your own.

Sadly the minor squabbles within the ANC are too few and too shallow to force drastic leadership changes that will affect service delivery and development positively, so the approach to corruption will remain a reactive one and only upon unbearable pressure from the media (which they seek to reduce mind you). The same goes for service delivey in general and good governance, the ANC looks after its own and often at the expense of the public. The only crack will be from the 'enlightened' electorate, alas that can only be in 2014 and may be too little.

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Dec 6, 2011
 
Pulumo wrote:
Gentlemen, kea di bona tsena kaofela. my real question is: Who is challenging Zuma for Mangaung? cause for now, no one has officially made himself available to challenge him.
Ke eng, baya mo tshaba na?
i've been observing how sexwale is been positionning himself -I can tell you now he might come up as some unity figure in mangaung.

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Dec 6, 2011
 
I think, he is fooling himself, people are masterminding behind his back and selling him empty support promises, he will be shocked at the ballot results. Mark my words.

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Dec 6, 2011
 
Thanks gents. i just hope the move to place the above provinces financial decision making mean that we will now see our companies winning tenders as opposed to the same buddies of government buddies in the provinces tender evaluation team, supply chain manager/procurement manager and a few influencers in the council board who presides and takes the ultimate resolutions on who should be awarded a tender? baya re bolaya, this people. lol

On a serious note though: There is an important debate to be had over how we should handle provincial mismanagement. Ideally, provincial voters should be able to hold their governments to account and force them to serve the public. National government would no doubt argue that provincial citizens cannot do that and so it needs to intervene. Whichever side you are on, i think this is surely more about how we should handle the provinces than about Mangaung.
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#15
Dec 18, 2011
 
THE ROAD TO MANGAUNG is definitely going to be BEST thriller ever witnessed.the greatest nightmare.

I have already booked myself a front seat ticket. All I need is popcorns and some juice and snacks.

2012 politics are going to be truly entertaining!!
Its a pity and a regret that the poor and unemployed masses are going to suffer, even more. what a shame !!
Thaps

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#16
Dec 18, 2011
 
Lereko wrote:
THE ROAD TO MANGAUNG is definitely going to be BEST thriller ever witnessed.the greatest nightmare.
I have already booked myself a front seat ticket. All I need is popcorns and some juice and snacks.
2012 politics are going to be truly entertaining!!
Its a pity and a regret that the poor and unemployed masses are going to suffer, even more. what a shame !!
What a comparison. Ore ke thriller?
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#17
Dec 18, 2011
 
Can this re-election of Cassel mathale as a limpopo chairperson, hamper Zuma's plans? I heard that malema is also elected for limpopo's executive committe. How will this play out in mangaung?
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#18
Dec 19, 2011
 
Zuma is an immoral individual that has repeatedly embarrassed South Africans both domestically and internationally with his "Horny Teenager syndrome" antics. The re-election of Comrade Matale serves as bad omen for the Zuma Camp and a positive step towards the political demise of this Stupid President!
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#19
Dec 26, 2011
 
Limpopo was supposed to be the heart of the Zuma backlash, it was supposed to show the depth of the anti-Zuma support and UNFORTUNATELY for those who want change that didn't happen. Cassel scraped (by 82 votes) to victory, Malema barely made the PEC. This merely confirms that Limpopo is divided and that's a good omen for Zuma... My prediction, the Top 6 will remain in tact (the only position that will be contested is that of Chairman which I suspect Vavi will get)
Thaps

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#20
Jan 1, 2012
 
Zuma’s appointment of a commission of inquiry into the arms deal, and his release of the long-awaited Donen report into the Iraq oil-for-food scandal, allowed him to avoid embarrassing legal challenges on both issues. Both decisions also helped marginalise his potential challengers to an extent.

The steady growth of his family’s business empire and the negative publicity surrounding their dealings continued to dog the president’s heels throughout the year.

Allies and detractors alike have criticised his links with the wealthy Gupta family, while the involvement of nephew Khulubuse’s Aurora Empowerment Systems in the downfall of Pamodzi’s gold mines has ensured continual bad publicity that is likely to escalate this year 2012.

Following Zuma’s second Cabinet reshuffle in October, it looked like the year would end pretty well. But the old bogey of bad appointments again raised its head.

Not only did Special Investigating Unit head Willem Heath only last 17 days because of his loose lips, but Zuma’s “irregular” appointment of Menzi Simelane as chief prosecutor seems to have set the president a date with the Constitutional Court in 2012.

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