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I think that the people are just trying to reunite with their family in the US and are willing to make up stories so that they could get help. I live in the state where there are many of the Hmong minorities. As I had heard from friends and co-worker fo the Hmong people they said that every Hmong families send money to General Vang Pao like $500 per family so that they can go take over Laos. Also they already picked out the people who are going to be the president, secretary, treasure, military commander etc. if they succeeded in taking over the country of Laos. I think it's kind of weird. Any how, the weird part is that some people who claimed to be helping the secret war were not even in the group! I had a Hmong co-worker he went and bought a military uniform and said he was a soldier and had fought for the American during the secret war. But he didn't know much about the war when I asked him becuase he was faking and his age was so young! My point is that the UN needs to come in and questioning all these people to find out who's telling the truth and who's not.
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Siary Lan Xang Vamnie
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Dear Sandy
Thanks you for your comment about some hmong faking so they can come to the U.S.A for help, but I think you didn't know anything about the truth about Vietnam War because you did't live in Lao
I am only 13 year old when I served the American CIA and saved Thousand of American soldier life during the Vietnam War. you are so young and don't know anything about war yet, if you can bring a whole bunches of gauns to me and than I will proof to you that I will show you how to use those gun, so I am not the one that faking to help American during the Vietnam war. I know that our kids who are fighting alongside the American in the
Middle East are not faking, they are more than 100%, we should not comment anything that we didn't know and heard from other people mouth open and believe them.
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Sandy wrote: I think that the people are just trying to reunite with their family in the US and are willing to make up stories so that they could get help.
I live in the state where there are many of the Hmong minorities. As I had heard from friends and co-worker fo the Hmong people they said that every Hmong families send money to General Vang Pao like $500 per family so that they can go take over Laos. Also they already picked out the people who are going to be the president, secretary, treasure, military commander etc. if they succeeded in taking over the country of Laos.
I think it's kind of weird. Any how, the weird part is that some people who claimed to be helping the secret war were not even in the group! I had a Hmong co-worker he went and bought a military uniform and said he was a soldier and had fought for the American during the secret war. But he didn't know much about the war when I asked him becuase he was faking and his age was so young!
My point is that the UN needs to come in and questioning all these people to find out who's telling the truth and who's not. i can tell you any...the younger hmongs nowaday dont know anything about lao, while the older hmong they said that they had helped CIA in vietnam or lao war. i was wondering that how hmongs soldiers could have been in frontline of attacking the enemy, since they have never been in military training, there were some yet never held the gun..rifle...or canon,how dared they say that they have helped US fighting against the communist, they knew nothing just being a VANG PAO soldier, thats all i can say. Meantime, there was nothing elso to do in lao, except a soldier to make a living...if they are the hmong with well-education, like they are now in US today, its possible the hmong would win the war in some way and some day....
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do you know alot of things about the laotian war in the time period of 1962-1975?????
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Sandy wrote: I think that the people are just trying to reunite with their family in the US and are willing to make up stories so that they could get help.
I live in the state where there are many of the Hmong minorities. As I had heard from friends and co-worker fo the Hmong people they said that every Hmong families send money to General Vang Pao like $500 per family so that they can go take over Laos. Also they already picked out the people who are going to be the president, secretary, treasure, military commander etc. if they succeeded in taking over the country of Laos.
I think it's kind of weird. Any how, the weird part is that some people who claimed to be helping the secret war were not even in the group! I had a Hmong co-worker he went and bought a military uniform and said he was a soldier and had fought for the American during the secret war. But he didn't know much about the war when I asked him becuase he was faking and his age was so young!
My point is that the UN needs to come in and questioning all these people to find out who's telling the truth and who's not. THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY THE MONGS MEN ARE LYING ABOUT THEIR WAR STATUS. ALOT OF MONGS ARE TELLING 1/2 TRUTHS OR OUT-RIGHT LYING ABOUT THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE WAR TO BOOST THEIR STATUS IN COLLECTING DONATIONS, WELFAIR, AND SYMPATHY'S FROM NICE AMERICANS PPL. NOW EVERYTHING MAKE SENSE WHY EVERY OLD DUDE CLAIMED TO BE SPECIAL CIA-OPS (MORE LIKE CIA-CHICKEN-SHITXX TO ME). I HONOR THOSE MONGS WHO TRULY SACRFICED THEIR LIVES TO THE WAR JUST LIKE I HONOR EVERY MAN/WOMAN WHO FOUGHT IN THE WAR. BUT I DON'T RESPECT LIERS OR 1/2 TRUTHS.
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Siary Lan Xang Vamnie wrote: Dear Sandy
Thanks you for your comment about some hmong faking so they can come to the U.S.A for help, but I think you didn't know anything about the truth about Vietnam War because you did't live in Lao
I am only 13 year old when I served the American CIA and saved Thousand of American soldier life during the Vietnam War. you are so young and don't know anything about war yet, if you can bring a whole bunches of gauns to me and than I will proof to you that I will show you how to use those gun, so I am not the one that faking to help American during the Vietnam war. I know that our kids who are fighting alongside the American in the
Middle East are not faking, they are more than 100%, we should not comment anything that we didn't know and heard from other people mouth open and believe them. HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF MONG'S EXXAGERATION AND FALSE CLAIMS AGAIN....THIS EXXAGERATTION IS GETTING REALLY OLD. ANOTHER BULLCRAPXXX CLAIM AGAIN....SPECIAL CIA-OPS AGAIN.....MOST ASIAN ARE HUMBLE, BUT THE MONGS ARE ONLY ONE WHO BOAST AND FILED FALSE CLAIMS....
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Golden Compass wrote: <quoted text>
HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF MONG'S EXXAGERATION AND FALSE CLAIMS AGAIN....THIS EXXAGERATTION IS GETTING REALLY OLD.
ANOTHER BULLCRAPXXX CLAIM AGAIN....SPECIAL CIA-OPS AGAIN.....MOST ASIAN ARE HUMBLE, BUT THE MONGS ARE ONLY ONE WHO BOAST AND FILED FALSE CLAIMS.... hahahahh there you go.....viets are the real fake to come right behind hmong just because wanta to lick and clean on hmong assesssssssssssss. but you viets gotta remember make sure you are not coming for dogs. so you guys must be out of dogs in vietcon, huh?????????? viets fight over dogs that was why both sides of them fought.....hahhahahaahh.
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Sara Vang-Nang
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Sandy wrote: I think that the people are just trying to reunite with their family in the US and are willing to make up stories so that they could get help.
I live in the state where there are many of the Hmong minorities. As I had heard from friends and co-worker fo the Hmong people they said that every Hmong families send money to General Vang Pao like $500 per family so that they can go take over Laos. Also they already picked out the people who are going to be the president, secretary, treasure, military commander etc. if they succeeded in taking over the country of Laos.
I think it's kind of weird. Any how, the weird part is that some people who claimed to be helping the secret war were not even in the group! I had a Hmong co-worker he went and bought a military uniform and said he was a soldier and had fought for the American during the secret war. But he didn't know much about the war when I asked him becuase he was faking and his age was so young!
My point is that the UN needs to come in and questioning all these people to find out who's telling the truth and who's not. Sandy - you're an idiot. What would kow about war - about the affects of war and consequence therein? Have you ever been in the middle of a conflict - or even had any family members involved in one (ie the conflict with Iraq presently, etc.) I'm thinking that the answer is PROBABLY no. And to those who might 'claim' that they participated in the war but truly did not - SHAME ON YOU! Any Hmong under the age of 'about' 40 in America most likely WERE NOT CIA-recruited Laotian soldiers. Yes, it is true that many of the Hmong Laotian soldiers were VERY YOUNG. My father served as early as 13. However, he did not get recruited by the CIA until somewhat later on. He was one of the few Vang Pao soldiers who was actually educated to some degree (a rare quality) which was necessary in order to communicate with American and French soldiers (not to mention soldiers of other Asian descent). Multilingual ability was a MUST. Basic duties were equivalent to duties that an forward observer would carry out, for the most part.(And if you don't know what that means - you obviously have no idea what it's like being in a military family. Not only was my father a soldier, my maternal grandfather was a high-ranking officer in the Royal army, and my husband was a staff seargent in the US Army...I can go on...) Actually, many of those in Laos are either the descendents/family of General Vang Pao's soldiers or otherwise merely 'other' Hmong people who are being victimized for the actions of Pao's soldiers - as many of the soldier's that served directly under the general were evacuated from Laos swiftly. Unfortunately, immediate family members were the only ones able to leave immediately with the soldier - other family members had to be left behind or were lost to the chaos that emerged. My father (wife and two kids)were the FIRST Hmong family to arrive in Michigan, USA. I wasn't even born then. It wasn't until sometime in the 90s when Washington actually recognized his role during the "SECRET WAR". Still, it has been documented. Look it up. It was in the papers....read sometime, it helps to rid of ignorance. It makes me so mad as his daughter to think that some people want to take credit for his actions. Majority of people would never have survived what he went through - nor would they ever have the ability to perform remotely close to what my father did during this conflict. I know he wouldn't necessarily even WANT me to post this knowledge; however, I'm proud to be his daughter. Not to mention you posers pissed me off. Really people - get some dignity. You Hmong who KNOW you played NO ROLE in the war - get a fricking life. You sound like idiots.
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Sara Vang-Nang wrote: <quoted text>
Sandy - you're an idiot. What would kow about war - about the affects of war and consequence therein? Have you ever been in the middle of a conflict - or even had any family members involved in one (ie the conflict with Iraq presently, etc.) I'm thinking that the answer is PROBABLY no.
And to those who might 'claim' that they participated in the war but truly did not - SHAME ON YOU! Any Hmong under the age of 'about' 40 in America most likely WERE NOT CIA-recruited Laotian soldiers. Yes, it is true that many of the Hmong Laotian soldiers were VERY YOUNG. My father served as early as 13. However, he did not get recruited by the CIA until somewhat later on. He was one of the few Vang Pao soldiers who was actually educated to some degree (a rare quality) which was necessary in order to communicate with American and French soldiers (not to mention soldiers of other Asian descent). Multilingual ability was a MUST. Basic duties were equivalent to duties that an forward observer would carry out, for the most part.(And if you don't know what that means - you obviously have no idea what it's like being in a military family. Not only was my father a soldier, my maternal grandfather was a high-ranking officer in the Royal army, and my husband was a staff seargent in the US Army...I can go on...)
Actually, many of those in Laos are either the descendents/family of General Vang Pao's soldiers or otherwise merely 'other' Hmong people who are being victimized for the actions of Pao's soldiers - as many of the soldier's that served directly under the general were evacuated from Laos swiftly. Unfortunately, immediate family members were the only ones able to leave immediately with the soldier - other family members had to be left behind or were lost to the chaos that emerged.
My father (wife and two kids)were the FIRST Hmong family to arrive in Michigan, USA. I wasn't even born then. It wasn't until sometime in the 90s when Washington actually recognized his role during the "SECRET WAR". Still, it has been documented.
Look it up. It was in the papers....read sometime, it helps to rid of ignorance.
It makes me so mad as his daughter to think that some people want to take credit for his actions. Majority of people would never have survived what he went through - nor would they ever have the ability to perform remotely close to what my father did during this conflict. I know he wouldn't necessarily even WANT me to post this knowledge; however, I'm proud to be his daughter. Not to mention you posers pissed me off.
Really people - get some dignity. You Hmong who KNOW you played NO ROLE in the war - get a fricking life. You sound like idiots. Dear Sara, From my personal experience, I too have saw many Hmong men faking it, pretending to be part of GVP's soldiers. Alot of them either made it up or outright lies about their military background. Too many Hmong old men suck between GVP's hairy crack and he in turn suck on our beloved community. It is such a shame what Pao has done to the community.
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Amv wrote: <quoted text>
Dear Sara,
From my personal experience, I too have saw many Hmong men faking it, pretending to be part of GVP's soldiers. Alot of them either made it up or outright lies about their military background. Too many Hmong old men suck between GVP's hairy crack and he in turn suck on our beloved community. It is such a shame what Pao has done to the community. I am sure VN Vietboy that that you can always tell the fraud from the real one. The fraud will always trip on their lies. It is the same as in this country which other non-Hmong people would fake to be what they are not known as “con artists”, pretending to be a representative of some charity, a police officer, or etc. But just because there are those that have no shame or dignity stealing credit away from the real ones doesn’t mean that all are fraud. Many of our forefathers fought in the war that is why when the communist force seized Laos, many of us end up over here and scattered elsewhere in other countries because our elders knew that if they stayed, they would be persecuted and killed by those they sided against. My grand uncle still has a bullet embedded in his left calf and whenever he walks through a metal detector, it would always beep. Whether or not those whom they served care to honor their sacrifices or not, we of the newer generations will always honor them as our heroes. Their legacy and their sacrifices will carry in our hearts forever. If you a Viet have a problem with this, that is just too bad.
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Real One
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Yeah Viet, just like right now, you are a good example of what's called "fraud" and "faking it".
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Hmoob Toj Siab
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Amv wrote: <quoted text>
Dear Sara,
From my personal experience, I too have saw many Hmong men faking it, pretending to be part of GVP's soldiers. Alot of them either made it up or outright lies about their military background. Too many Hmong old men suck between GVP's hairy crack and he in turn suck on our beloved community. It is such a shame what Pao has done to the community. DerekVN, please stop your nonsense, alright dude...
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Sara Vang-Nang
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Amv wrote: <quoted text>
Dear Sara,
From my personal experience, I too have saw many Hmong men faking it, pretending to be part of GVP's soldiers. Alot of them either made it up or outright lies about their military background. Too many Hmong old men suck between GVP's hairy crack and he in turn suck on our beloved community. It is such a shame what Pao has done to the community. Amy - yes - is very unfortunate that many would ever utter any participation when in fact they never did. It is very easy to know who these posers are just from what they say - they won't be able to describe anything....Besides that the real men of war, like my father, wouldn't 'usually' be posting anyways - they got other things to be doing!(LOL) Most of these men are close to the age of retirement right now anyways and have fallen behind the age of using computers - not saying that all of them don't.(I've been trying to get my dad to make a MySpace page - so we can talk more - but we'll see if he actually does it!) As far as my position with General Vang Pao, even though I do not think that he went about the 'right route' in recent actions, I have to say that the reasons motivating these actions should not be forgotten. Those who are helpless to the Pathet Lao government who are currently being 'beyond mistreated' should not be forgotten. Personally, I fear the very reason why action is not being taken to stop these violations against human rights is that the Hmong in America, in general, are not a force to reckoned with in the political sense.(How many Hmong actually even vote, for example). Hmong are generally not driven to make their numbers heard on the political front - and that is a big reason why nothing is being done. Hopefully this changes as new generations of Hmong Americans come of age. I have high hopes. Though I do not voice support for the General in some ways - I do support the fundamental reasons behind 'why' he did what he did. It seems to me that it was almost a 'last resort' to the deaf ears in government that would not hear his case about the people suffering in the mountains in Laos - or more importantly,'take action' to cease these violations against human life - why he felt he needed to do what he did. If anything, he did succeed in creating publicity about the cause and hopefully that does not run out of steam - hopefully it prompts action. Yes, I do believe the whole thing about wanting to create a "Hmong" country is unrealistic, but I believe that preserving the dignity of a helpless people is worthwhile. All human life should be treated with respect.
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Amv
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Sara Vang-Nang wrote: <quoted text>
Amy - yes - is very unfortunate that many would ever utter any participation when in fact they never did. It is very easy to know who these posers are just from what they say - they won't be able to describe anything....Besides that the real men of war, like my father, wouldn't 'usually' be posting anyways - they got other things to be doing!(LOL) Most of these men are close to the age of retirement right now anyways and have fallen behind the age of using computers - not saying that all of them don't.(I've been trying to get my dad to make a MySpace page - so we can talk more - but we'll see if he actually does it!)
As far as my position with General Vang Pao, even though I do not think that he went about the 'right route' in recent actions, I have to say that the reasons motivating these actions should not be forgotten. Those who are helpless to the Pathet Lao government who are currently being 'beyond mistreated' should not be forgotten. Personally, I fear the very reason why action is not being taken to stop these violations against human rights is that the Hmong in America, in general, are not a force to reckoned with in the political sense.(How many Hmong actually even vote, for example). Hmong are generally not driven to make their numbers heard on the political front - and that is a big reason why nothing is being done. Hopefully this changes as new generations of Hmong Americans come of age. I have high hopes.
Though I do not voice support for the General in some ways - I do support the fundamental reasons behind 'why' he did what he did. It seems to me that it was almost a 'last resort' to the deaf ears in government that would not hear his case about the people suffering in the mountains in Laos - or more importantly,'take action' to cease these violations against human life - why he felt he needed to do what he did. If anything, he did succeed in creating publicity about the cause and hopefully that does not run out of steam - hopefully it prompts action. Yes, I do believe the whole thing about wanting to create a "Hmong" country is unrealistic, but I believe that preserving the dignity of a helpless people is worthwhile. All human life should be treated with respect. Hi Sarah, Nice to hear from you my sister. I disagreed that what GVP have done was the 'last resort'. If you read his indictment/arrest court document carefully, GVP and his men boast and talked about the day they can march down Laos victoriously. Therefore, this has been plan for many years and GVP only got desperate since he is both getting old in age and to produce on his promises after so many years of collecting donations from the poor. So there was many factors, not just one or two. Read to document carefully and you will understand. Your friend always,
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You must be one of those female from Asia, once you landed in the US and feels like you have got 2-Peanuts and 1-Banana Right? Do Mai! Sara Vang-Nang wrote: <quoted text>
Amy - yes - is very unfortunate that many would ever utter any participation when in fact they never did. It is very easy to know who these posers are just from what they say - they won't be able to describe anything....Besides that the real men of war, like my father, wouldn't 'usually' be posting anyways - they got other things to be doing!(LOL) Most of these men are close to the age of retirement right now anyways and have fallen behind the age of using computers - not saying that all of them don't.(I've been trying to get my dad to make a MySpace page - so we can talk more - but we'll see if he actually does it!)
As far as my position with General Vang Pao, even though I do not think that he went about the 'right route' in recent actions, I have to say that the reasons motivating these actions should not be forgotten. Those who are helpless to the Pathet Lao government who are currently being 'beyond mistreated' should not be forgotten. Personally, I fear the very reason why action is not being taken to stop these violations against human rights is that the Hmong in America, in general, are not a force to reckoned with in the political sense.(How many Hmong actually even vote, for example). Hmong are generally not driven to make their numbers heard on the political front - and that is a big reason why nothing is being done. Hopefully this changes as new generations of Hmong Americans come of age. I have high hopes.
Though I do not voice support for the General in some ways - I do support the fundamental reasons behind 'why' he did what he did. It seems to me that it was almost a 'last resort' to the deaf ears in government that would not hear his case about the people suffering in the mountains in Laos - or more importantly,'take action' to cease these violations against human life - why he felt he needed to do what he did. If anything, he did succeed in creating publicity about the cause and hopefully that does not run out of steam - hopefully it prompts action. Yes, I do believe the whole thing about wanting to create a "Hmong" country is unrealistic, but I believe that preserving the dignity of a helpless people is worthwhile. All human life should be treated with respect.
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Lai Chua wrote: You must be one of those female from Asia, once you landed in the US and feels like you have got 2-Peanuts and 1-Banana Right? Do Mai!<quoted text> Hehehehehe....much bitterness for losing to a woman somewhere in your lifetime, huh?
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Sara Vang-Nang
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Lai Chua wrote: You must be one of those female from Asia, once you landed in the US and feels like you have got 2-Peanuts and 1-Banana Right? Do Mai!<quoted text> Lai Chua, You must be one of those individuals that is an embarrassment to any person of Asian descent. Your intelligence is so flawed I am sore that I CAN even comprehend what it is you're really trying to share. Perhaps you suffer some complexity about your own sexuality...usually people who feel the need to reference such material, as you have, often have personal issues relating to. And no, though I'm of Asian descent I didn't "land in America". I was born here in America, after my father earned the right to be here - what about you? Guessing from the intelligence in you've shown your post, I'm guessing that you're probably what they call FOB. Hey good job on learning how to communicate over the internet!!! Good for you buddy, maybe you'll get promoted from "dishwasha" someday.
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Sara Vang-Nang
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Hehehehehe....much bitterness for losing to a woman somewhere in your lifetime, huh? Hey "the Messenger"...thanks for the backup there.(HeHe) You know, I have a mind to bet that you are right on about that. Lansing, huh? What part? My hometown!!!
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Sara Vang-Nang wrote: <quoted text>
Hey "the Messenger"...thanks for the backup there.(HeHe) You know, I have a mind to bet that you are right on about that.
Lansing, huh? What part? My hometown!!! Really? What a small world. I live on the north side. You are welcome, Sara. Don’t you worry about that low self-esteem loser. With his type of bias and illegitimate remarks, I doubt that there is much of anything called a “brain” in that empty skull called “head” of his. If this is the kind of sexiest demeaning tone that he uses toward all women, I pity any girl that will end up as his daughter. I have a 5-years old daughter and she is the love of my life. As a dad in the 21st century, I tell her all the time that she can be just as good as any boy or even better if she put her mind to it. I guess some other guys are just too stone age with a hard head unable to crack. You take care now.
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Amv wrote: <quoted text>
Hi Sarah,
Nice to hear from you my sister. I disagreed that what GVP have done was the 'last resort'. If you read his indictment/arrest court document carefully, GVP and his men boast and talked about the day they can march down Laos victoriously. Therefore, this has been plan for many years and GVP only got desperate since he is both getting old in age and to produce on his promises after so many years of collecting donations from the poor. So there was many factors, not just one or two. Read to document carefully and you will understand.
Your friend always, Ceev Faj tsam koj raug teeb meem thiab AMv yog koj paub txog zoo koj mam los tham txog tej teeb meem nov nawb.
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