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Holmes

Annaka, Japan

#45 Jul 6, 2010
Ah, but this is off topic. Its about Africans. A lot of Africans in Japan pretend to be American so they can tap into the hip hop wannabe chick market.
The Reporter

Japan

#46 Jul 6, 2010
Holmes wrote:
if you go near the US bases, you can find both groups of girls from far away targetting non Japanese speaking young hicks of both white and black backgrounds, in strict segregation (I dunno where the mixed race guys go). There is a certain type of j-chick who targets a black guy, and I think you can guess how she styles herself. A few are hot, but others are overweight and trying to pass that off as buxom or sexy Beyonce wannnabes. Some are junkies for stereotypes; this woman I Knew was married to a black military guy, then divorced 6 months later, then with another one. Maybe she wants to replace him, or repeat her mistakes, who cares/knows?
This New Zealand guy I knew hung out down there once-some chick even said to him she wasnt going to go with him if he wasnt from America. He just said, "err, I m from Hawaii so I have a funny accent" and he ended up in love hotel with her, but wasnt proud of the experience, and even seemed kind of disgusted by her.
I think the Black military guy should not be confused with Black guys in general or confusing Black Africans with Black Americans and Black Europeans.

From what I've seen, there is not a specific type of Japanese chick that you can always tell by looks alone that only dates Black guys. MANY kinds of Japanese women will date Black guys.

There are Japanese women that exclusively date Blacks, but they are not necessarily dressed in Hip Hop clothes or acting ghetto. This is a type of stereotyping mistake that some people make.

To try to clarify:

1. There are Japanese women that target or exclusively date American military guys.

Often they hang around the military bases, clubs, or bars in the area. Some women can come as far as Osaka or Chiba, to hook up with military guys. Yokosuka (just outside Yokohama) and Yokota (Fussa area/not in Tokyo) bases are the most popular spots, because they have a club/bar area just outside the bases.

2. There are Japanese women that are very much into Hip Hop/Rap music, clothing styles, or even trying to talk "ghetto"/Hip Hop style.

These women usually date Blacks, but NOT always. You can go to clubs in Shibuya or Roppongi, for example, and meet Hip Hop Japanese women that only date Japanese.

Hip Hop/Rap is a popular style, even in South Korea too. So lots of Asians will be following the style, but that doesn't mean they have ever dated Blacks or date Blacks.

3. There are Japanese women that exclusively date Blacks, but Blacks are a very varied group.

When you say Black, you could be talking about somebody that comes from anywhere in the world now. They could be Jamaican, Black Canadian, from France, from Africa, from U.S., etc...

4. It is true that many Africans follow Black American Hip Hop styles, but many are proud to be African, and will quickly tell you what country in Africa they are from.

Just like with many Asians, they are following the Hip Hop music and fashion trends... So you can't say they are trying to be American by how they dress. For example, I can't even begin to tell you the number of Koreans I saw wearing NY baseball caps.

I think it really depends on the African person you meet. There are some Africans in Japan doing VERY well business wise. If you ask them where they are from, they will quickly tell you they are from Ghana, etc...

Some Japanese women dating Blacks, don't care about the country they are from, just the specific guy. While other Japanese women, will only want to date Black Americans, so it appears to be a very mixed and varied situation.

Race

I have also met Japanese women that exclusively dated White or Latino guys only, while others were more rainbow and didn't care about race. For various Japanese women, gaijin/foreigners are like flavors of ice cream.
Holmes

Annaka, Japan

#48 Jul 8, 2010
The Reporter wrote:
<quoted text>

From what I've seen, there is not a specific type of Japanese chick that you can always tell by looks alone that only dates Black guys. MANY kinds of Japanese women will date Black guys.
There are Japanese women that exclusively date Blacks, but they are not necessarily dressed in Hip Hop clothes or acting ghetto.
When you say Black, you could be talking about somebody that comes from anywhere in the world now. They could be Jamaican, Black Canadian, from France, from Africa, from U.S., etc...
Just like with many Asians, they are following the Hip Hop music and fashion trends... So you can't say they are trying to be American by how they dress. For example, I can't even begin to tell you the number of Koreans I saw wearing NY baseball caps.
I think it really depends on the African person you meet. There are some Africans in Japan doing VERY well business wise. If you ask them where they are from, they will quickly tell you they are from Ghana, etc...
Some Japanese women dating Blacks, don't care about the country they are from, just the specific guy. While other Japanese women, will only want to date Black Americans, so it appears to be a very mixed and varied situation.
Race
I have also met Japanese women that exclusively dated White or Latino guys only, while others were more rainbow and didn't care about race. For various Japanese women, gaijin/foreigners are like flavors of ice cream.
This time i tend to slightly disagree with you, you seem to be having an overly positive view of the women who date blacks/foreigners. Quite often, they arent as open minded as you ve painted. Sometimes they re kind of "racist", or believing in stereotypes. If Japan is a country where police will stop Japanese who look a bit different for suspected of being foreign, then the chicks will also believe all kinds of shit, if they re not so educated.

And it IS possible to spot a J-girl who likes or is interested in certain races within one minute of talking or less. This is the country where racial stereotypes are loved and cherished.

Only last night this J-chick started grilling me quite aggressively where I was going and why.I was taken aback by her line of questioning, but I was quite interested as she had a tight skirt, blonde hair and tanned skin. She let drop in English she was from near Yokohama and I said "let me guess, you ve got American friends?"

Her: Yes
"Male?"
Her: Yes
Me:(knowing damn well this wont be the case):"Is he an English teacher?"
Her: "He is in the military"
Me: Yappari!(slight dig), and have you been to the base?
Her: "Yes, shopping there is cheap"
Me: "and how about at night? Its a bit "dangerous" then, isnt it (giggle)(sub text: you are attractive but not too bright, nor threatening. Thus a military guy approached you and invited you on base)
Her: "yes, haha"
Me: "well, I must be going. What kind of restaurant are you going to from now?"
Her: "Jamaican...." (there isnt anything specifically "American" in that part of Tokyo, she seemed like a fish out of water, perhaps thats the closest her friends could find to entice her there for the night (typical J guy plan to get laid, ie. miss the train).

Then her 4 male friends showed up, but fair do's they were all "cool" style Japanese guys, ie. not salarymen-like. They seemed to be making fun of her....

next example; this chick I met was married to a black military guy (again, Yokohama). 6 months later she was complaining bitterly about him and all the military and got divorced.
sometime after that, She is with another black military guy.

Seems she likes to repeat her mistakes. Like my ex; I was her first gaijin, and since then she ONLY dates (she says it too) foreigners from the same race and country as me. ZZZZZZZZZZZ
I told her to try a Japanese guy at least once as she is such a difficult and demanding person, surely only someone used to that would have a chance, but whatever...
Holmes

Annaka, Japan

#49 Jul 8, 2010
NYC girl 25 wrote:
<quoted text>
what is gaijin?
A gaijin is something you ll always be in Japan, or worse as the most important thing to Japanese is nationality.
Its always their first question;

E.g. Me: this is a picture of my GF
Them: Is she Japanese?

In 2006 police in Saitama arrested a Japanese woman who looked foreign. It went like this:
Them: are you Japanese?
Her: Yes I am Japanese
Them:next question...
Her: silence

they arrested her as she didnt or wouldnt answer any other questions except "I am Japanese", they thought she must be a foreigner and a visa overstayer.

Her family said she "wasnt good at speaking to strangers" which also gives you a weird insight into how some Japanese people in greater Tokyo are almost struck mute by the thought of, shock/horror, a stranger actually talking to them in their own language!!!
Holmes

Annaka, Japan

#50 Jul 8, 2010
Source of the above:

Mainichi Shinbun Tuesday, February 28, 2006 at 07:01 EST

SAITAMA — The Saitama prefectural police on Monday arrested a Japanese woman on suspicion of violating the immigration law but later released her after discovering that she was a Japanese national, police officials said.

The police had judged that the unemployed woman, 28, was not Japanese because she looked like a foreigner of Asian descent and that she carried an envelope written in Portuguese, the officials said. The woman was questioned by a policeman around 7:40 p.m. on Saturday in Kawaguchi. She told the officer that she was Japanese, but stopped answering further questions, the officials said. The woman’s family said she is not good at speaking with strangers.
The Reporter

Japan

#51 Jul 13, 2010
@Holmes

I think we disagree a bit on this particular issue, because perhaps we are looking at it differently.

I think that it's fine for Japanese women and men to have a preference to date foreigners.

Why? Because what is the alternative in an already very closed society giving the impression they are like ants in a box?

Regardless of some of the negative stereotypes and thinking in which various Japanese will give for dating foreigners, at least that group is making SOME PROGRESS. At least that group is doing more than just inbreeding and is making itself part of the international community.

I view Japanese dating internationally and/or interracially as at least somewhat progressive.

It is also not for us to say which are the only ways such Japanese can express their "internationalization " and racial progress. A person may have preferences for Rock music, blond hair, and surfing, but that is not to say that any Japanese interested in foreigners and foreign culture should only be interested in the same.

As some Japanese reach out beyond their tiny island and into the larger world, they may express interests in a great many different cultures and people, for many different reasons.

Japanese can be interested in Salsa, Latino culture, American Basketball, Hip Hop/Rap, Black slang, French Fashion, Italian cooking, etc....

These various interests could make them curious about the people and culture of a different country and be the basis of their dating preference.

I've seen various Americans quite interested in Japanese culture via Anime and Manga. I personally think quite a lot of it is childish rubbish, though once in while there is some material that I find thought provoking and fascinating. The point is though, is that some foreigners are interested in Japanese women and culture via this route.

Arguably my interests in Martial Arts, like Karate and Judo, like those of various friends of mine and during our teenage years may have been the catalyst of our interest in Japan or Asia.

It is not my place to condemn the interest of others in Japanese culture or people, because of how it came about. In the same way, I don't see a problem with Japanese interested in Hip Hop culture and Blacks, Salsa dancing and Latinos, or surfing and White guys.

I think that it is short sighted and a reflection of personal bias to condemn a Japanese that was married and divorced with a Brazilian guy, because she is dating another Brazilian. Perhaps she simply enjoys Brazilian culture and can speak Portuguese. Her dating habits may be a reflection of her interests and preferences.

I would not categorize her dating preference for Brazilians as a "continual mistake". That may be reflecting my own bias or the bias of the 3rd party viewing the relationship. In fact, I see it as a least progressive. I think that it is more progressive to have an open-mind about race and people when dating, but I will give people credit for at least trying to be more than an "ant in a box" and taking a look at the larger world.
The Reporter

Japan

#52 Jul 13, 2010
@Holmes

1. When people in general complain about a relationship, I always take that with a "grain of salt". Often they wanted the relationship to begin with or their complaints is reflecting a grievance, but NOT their giving up or not wanting to have such relationships.

A person can very much love the very thing they are complaining about it. The complaint can be more along the lines that things are not going "perfectly". But obviously, nothing is perfect.

A wife can complain a lot about her husband, but still very much be in love with her husband. So you kind of have to look at the entire situation, not just the specific complaint.

2. It has been my experience that it is not necessarily easy to spot which Japanese like which race so easily.

This is because some Japanese don't have a specific preference, thus my friends jokingly and affectionately call them rainbows. OR they have not formed a preference yet, as they simply have not had any or enough experiences or interactions with foreign people.

A Japanese person may have their head filled with lots of stereotypes, propaganda, and negative stories of different groups, but very little to no real experience with those groups.

Depending on the Japanese person, upon having real experiences or relationships with various foreign people, the opinions of those Japanese people may CHANGE. So it can depend on WHEN you were talking them and at what point in their life to get a certain view.

With that said, there are some Japanese that have very specific preferences for specific foreigners and cultures. Some Japanese can also be very racist.

My point is along the lines that it can be a very flexible type or a "depends" type of thing vs something always rigid. It can depend on the people, situation, and the environment...


Holmes

Annaka, Japan

#53 Jul 13, 2010
The Reporter wrote:
@Holmes
I think that it is short sighted and a reflection of personal bias to condemn a Japanese that was married and divorced with a Brazilian guy, because she is dating another Brazilian. Perhaps she simply enjoys Brazilian culture and can speak Portuguese. Her dating habits may be a reflection of her interests and preferences.
I would not categorize her dating preference for Brazilians as a "continual mistake".
Ah, but this is not a correct allegory to what I said. She was making a RACIAL choice, not a cultural or national preference, like a "Brazilian" Your allegory doesnt say if the Brazilian was blakc or white, or if he was in the military or in marketing. You re looking thru rose-tinted glasses here. The woman I was talking about complained about a black military guy, then she is with another black military guy. Unless you want to say something like
"She obviously is deeply interested in the history and traditions of the American Navy" which I doubt, I think we can conclude she has a black guy fetish, as I arguably have an "Asian fetish", which is hardly surprising because I live in Asia, where many Asians live!

Nothing wrong in that, but lets not pretend its because we deeply respect the culture. I like the sexual side of J girls, but I hate anime, the unfair aspects of the society, and am not interested in alot of their cultural exports even (Ikebana, Karate, Sumo, etc).
Holmes

Annaka, Japan

#54 Jul 13, 2010
The Reporter wrote:
@Holmes

2. It has been my experience that it is not necessarily easy to spot which Japanese like which race so easily.
Some Japanese can also be very racist.
My point is along the lines that it can be a very flexible type or a "depends" type of thing vs something always rigid. It can depend on the people, situation, and the environment...
I disagree. My experiences indicate that I CAN tell their preference fairly quickly (as in my example of the chick from Yokohama last week) and it is precisely because many Japanese are taught to think in terms of racial or national stereoptypes that even when they REBEL AGAINST THAT, against being ants in a box, it is done along stereotypical lines.

Such people think they are making a consumerist choice which helps them to acquire an identity. This has been written about extensively by postmodern theorists like Debord, Baudrillard, etc.
Example #1 "I like French guys"= "I am tired of Japan and Japanese, I want to leave Japan but at the same time I dont like America or Americans. I dislike rap. I want to stand out from the English crowd. I see myself as sensitive like art (or think I do), cooking, and romance."

I can prove to you that this belief in the above stereotype in Japan is the main source of income of most French people here.

Example #2 "I like British guys"="I like English, but I am afraid that America is too violent from what I have heard. Americans are loud and arrogant, I prefer a softly spoken gentleman."

Example #3 "I like black American guys"="I enjoy dancing to videos I ve seen on MTV. I have dark skin for a Japanese, or will make it so at a tanning salon because I ve bought into the idea that blacks are cool and have rhythm. Black guys have a nice smile and are athletic, etc."

Example #4 "I like Latin guys now, not white guys (!?)" (actual quote from a 32 yr old J-woman rejected by a white guy)= "I saw Rikki Martin sing Vida La Viva Loca and thought he was cute and clean-cut, and I like the song. I am now taking Salsa lessons in Roppongi-I m not going there to chase foreigners. I am trying to increase my butt size."(She really said all this!)

An educated, widely travelled person, specifically a Japanese person, will of course not think in these terms. A 20 year old high school drop out who has never been out of Kawasaki is more likely to. The Japanese media likes to peddle these stereotypes, and they are perpetuated by Xenophobes, parents, peers etc.

Conversely, when I first came to Japan it took me a couple of years to figure out that the bull I had been sold by a few people about "We Japanese" was not the reality I was facing. Things like "We Japanese are always on time, always keep a promise, never cancel" blah blah are national/racial stereotypes I had held which were soon shattered once I travelled.

Other stereotypes-such as the xenophobic nature of Japan-were sadly proven to be right.
Freeworld

Sydney, Australia

#55 Aug 14, 2010
How to get free hook up with Married Jap girls ?
Any one Know ?
omima miki

Takajomachi, Japan

#56 Aug 15, 2010
Observer wrote:
I'm finding this difficult to believe and I doubt that there are even many blacks in Japan.
I just moved to japan this past April. I'm mixed with Palestinian and black and my husband is Japanese. There are not alot of black people in japan but there are lots of mixed races. Japan is not as easy as the USA to just relocate and settle down. It' s a bit more complicated, but i think in due time Japan will have an even larger mixed population. I have a son on the way (another miki! haha)
Somali_patriarch

Fort Mcmurray, Canada

#57 Oct 6, 2013
ggf wrote:
WHY, are they hot, big cock. or maybe cos of R&B guys like room112
Yes especially Somalis. We're the REAL Africans. We are skinny but strong like a horse yo! ziggity ziggity zo! ziggity ziggity zack.
Ainu

Tokyo, Japan

#58 Oct 8, 2013
How do Japanese want a "black" baby? Japanese like to be light skin. Blacks are just discriminated.
Somali_patriarch

Fort Mcmurray, Canada

#59 Oct 8, 2013
Ainu wrote:
How do Japanese want a "black" baby? Japanese like to be light skin. Blacks are just discriminated.
I knew Ching-Chongs think Africans are ugly. Same with Indians. lol.
Pram Pram Buri

Tokyo, Japan

#62 Oct 21, 2013
Here's the deal: It's too easy to say "all Japanese are racist" or "all Japanese are stupid". Most of them are, but in my time in Japan I have observed a pattern which I now hold to be 100% true:

It's just the Japanese men.

Whatever bad things exist in Japan, like Racism, bad odour, stupidity in the education system, fake self-esteem, hiding your ugly character behind a polite mask, etc., comes almost exclusively from Japanese men.

Japanese men don't want anything to do with foreign men because they feel small and weak compared to them. So they hate them.

Japanese women are completely different. They are normal, nice human beings with no complexes, who are interested in learning about other cultures, languages, etc.

Of course, there are exceptions to this rule, some idiotic xenophobic women exist as well, but there is a clear trend that nobody who has lived in Japan can deny: The men are mostly awful, the women are usually normal human beings.

Another exception is small children up to middle school age. They behave like normal children in other countries.

But once they go through the militaristic, numbing Japanese education system (which was set up by fascists, btw.), a transformation happens and they put on the mask.

As I said, it seems that Japanese women are clever enough and reflect what's going on, so they don't cut off ties to the world like Japanese men do. It seems that they want to change the status quo.

Maybe that's the reason why Japanese men are trying so hard to keep women from any positions of power. Japanese men aren't able to adapt. So they are clinging to hate and xenophobia, and evil things like organized crime in order to defend their little kingdom.

Japanese women dating Western men is a logical next step. Who in their right mind would want to have to deal with a little Japanese emperor?

You shouldn't hate Japanese women. In fact, you should encourage them to leave Japan so they can become the next elite after Japanese men have finally driven their country into the ground. It will happen - soon.
Ainu

Tokyo, Japan

#63 Oct 22, 2013
Japanese are not individualists like foreigners. No matter what you guys try to bring a bad reputation about Japanese men, Japanese women can't be separated and why?

Because both Japanese men and women are dominated by the emperor. Women support men, men fight for the emperor and the emperor protects a peace. This is Japan.

Some silly Japanese women dream femninism and go to the western countries, but they can't adjust with a racial treatment there. Most Japanese think we are different from Asians, but you are just treated Asian, not Japanese in the western countries. It's a shame for Japanese to be considered the same with Chinese or Korean. They can't be tolerate with such a prejudice and run away to Japan soon.

If you live in Japan, Japanese can take the 1st place. So how do Japanese want to be treated the 3rd place "Asian" in the western countries??? Japanese men and women will never go for foreign men and women.

This is 100% true because I'm Japanese.

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