Japan's Abe suffers setback with Okinawa election loss

Jan 19, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Baltimore Sun

A city mayor opposed to a plan to relocate a controversial U.S. airbase on Japan's Okinawa island was re-elected on Sunday, creating a political headache for Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and threatening friction with Washington.

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Anybody that has lived in Okinawa, knows that Okinawan politicians behave in a bi-polar type of way.

On the one side of their mouth, Okinawan politicians BEG for money from the U.S. and the mainland Japanese government. On the other side of their mouth, to win votes with OLD and XENOPHOBIC Okinawans, they will talk against the U.S. and Japanese government.

Okinawa is among the poorest districts in Japan. The U.S. military and the Japanese government are the number 1 and number 2 employers of Okinawans. If the U.S. military bases got up and left, the Okinawan UNemployment rate would be near 50%(to include affected businesses).

Furthermore, Okinawa could develop itself to be a tourist spot like Hawaii or port for business like Hong Kong, but instead backwards and dumb Okinawan politicians have hurt their own people.

Okinawa is perceived as so backwards, racist, and xenophobic that they get little tourism. It is cheaper to fly to Okinawa than ever before, but mainland Japanese still will NOT come because of the Okinawan attitude and unfriendliness.

Okinawa = waste of potential and backwardness

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Ohey Truthpain, I'd like to comment on one tiny thing you said. You said America's gigantic power is the reason why wars were prevented right? But at the same time, the US made a few wars, no? For example, the Iraq War was a war the US created, a false war. What do you think?
Oh, and ignore every other post or thread Ainu makes on this forums. It's not worth the time or effort to argue with him. He will NEVER change his mind. Simply troll his ass.
Hi Switches, I dont feel Iraq was false and feel the world is a much better place without Saddam, Uday,Qusay and their rape and torture chambers, agree ? I feel we did make a mistake by staying and trying to build a nation when its obvious they do not want one. Once Saddam, Uday and Qusay were gone, we should have left and warned Iraq that we will return if needed. we should have also destroyed every IRGC military base on the Iraq border without regard for what the world thinks.

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Real Truth wrote:
Anybody that has lived in Okinawa, knows that Okinawan politicians behave in a bi-polar type of way.
On the one side of their mouth, Okinawan politicians BEG for money from the U.S. and the mainland Japanese government. On the other side of their mouth, to win votes with OLD and XENOPHOBIC Okinawans, they will talk against the U.S. and Japanese government.
Okinawa is among the poorest districts in Japan. The U.S. military and the Japanese government are the number 1 and number 2 employers of Okinawans. If the U.S. military bases got up and left, the Okinawan UNemployment rate would be near 50%(to include affected businesses).
Furthermore, Okinawa could develop itself to be a tourist spot like Hawaii or port for business like Hong Kong, but instead backwards and dumb Okinawan politicians have hurt their own people.
Okinawa is perceived as so backwards, racist, and xenophobic that they get little tourism. It is cheaper to fly to Okinawa than ever before, but mainland Japanese still will NOT come because of the Okinawan attitude and unfriendliness.
Okinawa = waste of potential and backwardness
Nailed it !!!!

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Anybody that has lived in Okinawa, knows that Okinawan politicians behave in a bi-polar type of way.
On the one side of their mouth, Okinawan politicians BEG for money from the U.S. and the mainland Japanese government. On the other side of their mouth, to win votes with OLD and XENOPHOBIC Okinawans, they will talk against the U.S. and Japanese government.
Okinawa is among the poorest districts in Japan. The U.S. military and the Japanese government are the number 1 and number 2 employers of Okinawans. If the U.S. military bases got up and left, the Okinawan UNemployment rate would be near 50%(to include affected businesses).
Furthermore, Okinawa could develop itself to be a tourist spot like Hawaii or port for business like Hong Kong, but instead backwards and dumb Okinawan politicians have hurt their own people.
Okinawa is perceived as so backwards, racist, and xenophobic that they get little tourism. It is cheaper to fly to Okinawa than ever before, but mainland Japanese still will NOT come because of the Okinawan attitude and unfriendliness.
Okinawa = waste of potential and backwardness
Perfect summary of the truth.

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Hmm... but even so, don't you think it's a bit mean for the US to "bully" other countries when they have nothing to do with them? The easiest example would be Iraq. George Bush made it sound as if Iraq was attacking the US when they're the ones attacking Iraq under the assumption that Bin Laden was responsible for everything even though hardcore evidence wasn't present. And we all know US exploited a lot of things in the wars they were. They imported a lot of opium during the Vietnam War and the US tried to steal Iraq's oil supply, right? It really doesn't feel like US is defending itself. It's more like US is attacking other countries.:/

As for your second paragraph, I agree with you entirely (99%). Thanks for taking the time to reply back to me. Much appreciated.
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The Cairo Declaration agreed among China, Great Britain and USA in 1945 clearly states that it Ryukyu Islands (Okinawa) is not Japanese territory.

But in early 1970's, USA handled over the administrative rights over the Ryukyus to Japan. But back then and even today, USA insists that she has given Japan only administrative rights but not sovereignty rights.

Thus, Japan does not own Okinawa, but administer it on behalf of the victorious powers of WW2.

USA's position on this issue can be verified from documents produced by USA govt.

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I personally think the Cairo Declaration is BS. It's like saying every major super power must give back every piece of land they took by "force." What kind of country hasn't take someone else's land by force? Then again, the Treaty of Versailles was even worst.-_-"

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@Truthpain
Hmm... but even so, don't you think it's a bit mean for the US to "bully" other countries when they have nothing to do with them? The easiest example would be Iraq. George Bush made it sound as if Iraq was attacking the US when they're the ones attacking Iraq under the assumption that Bin Laden was responsible for everything even though hardcore evidence wasn't present. And we all know US exploited a lot of things in the wars they were. They imported a lot of opium during the Vietnam War and the US tried to steal Iraq's oil supply, right? It really doesn't feel like US is defending itself. It's more like US is attacking other countries.:/
As for your second paragraph, I agree with you entirely (99%). Thanks for taking the time to reply back to me. Much appreciated.
Depends on Which George Bush you are referring to. George Bush POTUS 41 or George Bush POTUS 43.

The world stood by impotently and watched Saddam invade and pillage Kuwait. The world cowardly issued condemnations and strongly worded letters ,,,,,,none of which rescued the suffering people of Kuwait. GW Bush 41 , put 250,000 troops and tanks on the ground to crush the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. The fastest and largest buildup of troops in history. We freed that nation of terrorism and tyranny . For this the USA gets no "Thank You" but our enemies took notice.

GW Bush 43 recognized that Iraq was using Sarin and mustard gas on numerous Kurdish villages in the north, killing and maiming 10's of thousands. Again, the world stood by impotently and issued condemnations and strongly worded letters , none of which rescued the hundreds of thousands of gassed people and those in Saddam, Qusay and Uday's torture and rape chambers. The US again assembled a coalition of 20 plus contributing nations and , the UN agreed . We got rid of the evil that was the Hussein dictator and his sons. However, not before they moved the bulk of their chemical weapons to Syria which we are recovering now. Then we made a mistake !!!!!! Bush 43 and Paul Bremer chose to use the incompetent US State Department to create a democratic nation in a tribal infested 11th century #%$@hole. Big mistake!!! We should have simply redeployed and created a Kurdish nation to the north and abandoned the rest of the barren rubble. Leaving it for the Shites Baathists and Sunni's to fight amongst themselves.

If you had been in Saddams prisons, Qusay and Udays perverse rape chambers, or in a Kurdish village in the north ..........would you still have felt the US was bullying by overthrowing them ? Try to think about it from the perspective of those rescued and alive today.

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Switches wrote:
I personally think the Cairo Declaration is BS. It's like saying every major super power must give back every piece of land they took by "force." What kind of country hasn't take someone else's land by force? Then again, the Treaty of Versailles was even worst.-_-"
Agree , In my opinion, we should have NEVER, NEVER, NEVER returned Okinawa or Iwo Jima to the Japanese for administration or sovereignty.

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@Truthpain

Thanks for the replies. I understand the Gulf War was a real war against evil. I whole heartily agree on that part. I apologize if I misunderstood, but is the Iraq war truly a false war to some degree? Or is it half and half? I see it more of a false war from the ashes of 9/11. Or am I somewhat wrong?

As for your second reply, why is it a bad idea for Japan to have admin or sovereignty rights over Okinawa or Iwo Jima?
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What a bullshit.

American always act for "benefits". They have no kamikaze like us. They are not trustworthy. History is telling it.

American are well known for divorce soon. I can understand it.

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Switches wrote:
@Truthpain
Thanks for the replies. I understand the Gulf War was a real war against evil. I whole heartily agree on that part. I apologize if I misunderstood, but is the Iraq war truly a false war to some degree? Or is it half and half? I see it more of a false war from the ashes of 9/11. Or am I somewhat wrong?
As for your second reply, why is it a bad idea for Japan to have admin or sovereignty rights over Okinawa or Iwo Jima?
After the ceasefire agreement was signed between Saddam and the UN in 1991, which suspended the hostilities of the Gulf War, Iraq repeatedly violated 16 different UNSC resolutions from 1990 to 2002. The Iraq Survey Group interviewed regime officials who stated Hussein kept weapon scientists employed and planned to revive Iraq's WMD program after the inspections were lifted, including nuclear weapons. Under UN Resolution 1441, he was given a "final opportunity" to comply, and he again violated the resolution by submitting a false report to UNMOVIC inspectors and continually preventing them from inspecting Iraq's WMD sites.

In the Gulf War, Iraq took foreign civilians hostage on an unprecedented scale. Hussein attempted to use terrorism against the United States during the Gulf War and against former President George H.W. Bush in Kuwait in 1993 for leading the Gulf War against him. He had a long history of supporting terrorists in Palestine by giving money to families of suicide bombers and gave refuge to other terrorist groups against neighboring states in the region.

In the North against the Kurds. A document signed by Ali Hassan al-Majid is quoted as stating, "all persons captured in those villages shall be detained and interrogated by the security services and those between the ages of 15 and 70 shall be executed after any useful information has been obtained from them". This target group covered any male of fighting age.

In 1991 after the Iraqi forces were expelled from Kuwait, the regime of Saddam Hussein cracked down on uprisings in the Kurdish north and Shia south. It is stated between this time over 40,000 Kurds and 60,000 or more Shi'ites were executed.[citation needed]
In 2000, two human rights groups, International Federation of Human Rights Leagues and the Coalition for Justice in Iraq, released a joint report documenting the indoctrination of children into a fighting force. These children as young as five were recruited into the Ashbal Saddam or Saddam's Cubs. The children would be separated from their parents and undergo military training. Parents objecting to this recruitment would be executed and children jailed if they failed to comply. These jails were later noted by Scott Ritter in an interview with Time magazine.

Vice President Cheney stated in 2006 that the US would still have invaded Iraq even if intelligence had shown that there were no weapons of mass destruction. He said Hussein was still dangerous because of his history of using WMD, and taking him out of power "was the right thing to do".

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@Switches : Regarding the legality of the war this rests within UN resolutions 660 and 678 and UN charter articles 39-42. However, please consider this for a moment. If you and your family were one of the tens of thousands being tortured, kidnapped, murdered, gassed etc etc , would you want the USA to wait until it receives UN authorization???????

How is the UN working out in Lebanon? Africa? Syria? Libya? Yemen? Suppose your family was there ! Want the UN to patiently wait for combat authorization before coming to your aid ? I dont.

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Regarding Iwo Jima . Many US Servicemen fought a brutal battle there , many died for the cause of freedom there. Iwo Jima is emblazoned in the minds of all Americans as a national memorial and national symbol. Upon its return to the Japanese, they Government of Japan changed its name to IwoTo and barred American visitors except for one day a year. Thats BS .

Okinawa , Let them be their own welfare state and stop sucking the lifeblood from Japan and the USA.

Sorry ....but its how I feel.

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Thanks for the replies as usual Truth pain. I guess Iraq War wasn't a false war after all. Perhaps I'll PM you about other things I have in mind.

Just like how Taiwan is doing pretty well by itself, I guess Okinawa could do the same as well?

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Thanks for the replies as usual Truth pain. I guess Iraq War wasn't a false war after all. Perhaps I'll PM you about other things I have in mind.
Just like how Taiwan is doing pretty well by itself, I guess Okinawa could do the same as well?
I appreciate your patience and understanding. The legality of the war will be debated forever. There are no winners and both sides of the debate have reasonable arguments. My opinion is based largely through witnessing the suffering of tens of thousands of people at the hands of a cruel dictator. I served in the Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Paul Bremer ordered the dissolution of the Iraqi government and disarmament of the Iraqi Army. What do you get when you tell 300,000 armed men to turn in their weapons and go home ; that they are no longer getting paid and able to support their families ? You get an instant insurgency !!!!!!!! Then in a stroke of total idiocy Paul Bremer decreed that former Baathists could not participate in the new Iraq government!! This was absolutely national suicide ! The Baath party was the only body of educated people who knew how to run and administer a government in such a backwards place ! Tragic ! So look at what we have now in Iraq, a never ending civil war. Same in Afghanistan except the graft and corruption there with Karzai is absolutely staggering !!

Please understand, Paul Bremer, Bush 43 and Obama have made a terrible mistake by pushing a stupid policy of nation building in Muslim , tribal based 11th century dungholes. These countries are awful, backwards and unable to move past the 11th century ! Afghanistan and Iraq need a powerful dictator but one who doesn't abuse and terrorize his people.

Nation building after WW2 in civilized , advanced countries like Japan and Germany are shining examples of success. But the rebuilding of these nations was handled by the U.S. Military not the incompetent US Department of State.

So yes, the USA has made mistakes, but going to war wasn't one of them..

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The Free Tibet Movement is a hoax.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/china/T6TB1F...

The 1735 map of China proves it.
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German Merkel had presented Chinese Xi an old map of China without Tibet, Uyghur, etc.

Good job, Merkel!!!
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The fact is Okinawa belongs to Okinawans. Thieving japan stole it from Okinawans by force.
Okinawa belong to Japan, because it our treasure. America can say nothing, otherwise give away Pureto Rico or Guam.

Okinawa is surplus people for Japan and sometimes makes headache. Japanese man must breed out savage blood in Okinawa to creat more Japanese face and make it pure alignment to Emperor. Okinawa must learn to act like proper Japanese and throw away their useless customs.
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Tokyo Liar wrote:
The Cairo Declaration agreed among China, Great Britain and USA in 1945 clearly states that it Ryukyu Islands (Okinawa) is not Japanese territory.
But in early 1970's, USA handled over the administrative rights over the Ryukyus to Japan. But back then and even today, USA insists that she has given Japan only administrative rights but not sovereignty rights.
Thus, Japan does not own Okinawa, but administer it on behalf of the victorious powers of WW2.
USA's position on this issue can be verified from documents produced by USA govt.
Okinawa taught to speak only Japanese and throw away useless old Okinawan ways. Slowly, Okinawa face become Japanese face. 1 or 2 more generations, Okinawa peoples will act like proper Japanese.

U.S. can't take back Okinawa, because it's face change to Japanese.

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