Chinese Tourists in Japan Ease Tensions

Oct 22, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Epoch Times

A cruise by 1,500 Chinese tourists from Shanghai, China to Japan, on Saturday has sparked a furious debate among Chinese netizens.

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Rtloder

Wentworthville, Australia

#177 Jan 11, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
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OMG, netezens and confusious? First lets start with confidence in US currency, although you are half right....indirectly. You see confidence in people all around the world using the the Dollar depends on the strength of the US economy and mass of the trade the US engages in.
30% of international trade is with the US, 70% of central bank reserves are in dollars REMEMBER?
The Zimbabwe situation( and let me applaude you on even knowing about this....truely your master the pink wombat is wise, not many people can make that connection) has nothing to do with what we were talking about since their siituation was due to their president smashing over 90% of the economy through land grabs and mostly the black market trend over there is using the South African Rand not Dollar, i know because my girlfriend originally is from south africa.
BTW once a country shifts into being a high labor cost economy the only and most sustainable force of action is to switch to a service driven economy, that is what China will do if it gets through to high value products.
But how climate change will affect a service driven economy is beyond me....please explain what you meant Kanagroo only hop on foot if you can?
Are you sure seeing that you have psychodic tendencies that led doctor into banning you from any floor higher then the first floor, that going to pubs is advisable? Anyway have a good one, I will be headed to one soon after work is done.
STOP INSULTING WOMBO you crazy fool.
Or I will start insulting your girl friend.
One thing is for sure me and Wombo never tell each other LIES. I know your girl friend lies to you, Robert Mugabe was attacked by the West,-(sanctions and economic sabotage, mercenary forces, vile propaganda, ect.),- because he sent his armed forces to help Kabila in Congo DR.
But now South Africa copy Zimbabwe, and demand equal pay for Miners and land reform.
US trade deficit down Another 48 billion
this month, over paying yourself has to stop, Bloomburg say.
70% that's nothing compared to what it was, in 1967 the US was using 4 times more resources than the rest of the world all put together. It must even out no Nation likes using US banking institution because it's use is the political blackmail of international relationship. Once over the world will never let it happen again, not with Yen or Euro or anything, a real world bank will take its place using a basket of currencies, as standard based on resource, not political influence.
A service driven economy is totally dependent on middle men determining the logic of the market, a complete contradiction of supply and demand. Britain only now earns 10% of her income from physical content, only can get away with it because British capacity to squeeze from the "interest rate factor" zero at home horrendous abroad, the world isn't stupid, there is only one answer policeman retire, not wanted, and take your salaries with you, or pay them yourself, no more importing DEFLATION. Liberal ideology is dependant on expansion to accommodate corruption, there in no new resource or industry, and lots more hungry mouths to feed. Japan is in the worst predicament ever, Greece is a future installment for Japan.
A lot of things are beyond you, why else would you support Japan, American people believe war of the future will be pilotless planes, they only interested in fighting defenceless people they not going to support japan, remember US President come to beg China, Chairman Mao stay at home with his feet up.

Since: Jun 12

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#178 Jan 13, 2013
Rtloder wrote:
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STOP INSULTING WOMBO you crazy fool.
Or I will start insulting your girl friend.
One thing is for sure me and Wombo never tell each other LIES. I know your girl friend lies to you, Robert Mugabe was attacked by the West,-(sanctions and economic sabotage, mercenary forces, vile propaganda, ect.),- because he sent his armed forces to help Kabila in Congo DR.
But now South Africa copy Zimbabwe, and demand equal pay for Miners and land reform.
US trade deficit down Another 48 billion
this month, over paying yourself has to stop, Bloomburg say.
70% that's nothing compared to what it was, in 1967 the US was using 4 times more resources than the rest of the world all put together. Britain only now earns 10% of her income from physical content, only can get away with it because British capacity to squeeze from the "interest rate factor" zero at home horrendous abroad, the world isn't stupid, there is only one answer policeman retire, not wanted, and take your salaries with you, or pay them yourself, no more importing DEFLATION. Liberal ideology is dependant on expansion to accommodate corruption, there in no new resource or industry, and lots more hungry mouths to feed. Japan is in the worst predicament ever, Greece is a future installment for Japan.
A lot of things are beyond you, why else would you support Japan, American people believe war of the future will be pilotless planes, they only interested in fighting defenceless people they not going to support japan, remember US President come to beg China, Chairman Mao stay at home with his feet up.
Well am not too sure about the congo, have very little knowledge about that region, been to south africa once but its the most complicated systems/situtations that i have ever seen in my life once and i dont know what kabila is.

But I am very aware of the Greece situation, Greece is in a much better situation the Japan is in long run because the pain it is feeling now is due to reforms that have taken place. In the short run it is the sick man of Asia but in the long run it will be very strong.

Look at for example it has already completed 60% of the reforms demanded by the EU/Germans and competitiveness is improving, with unit labor costs falling significantly, banks have been resilient and maintained adequate capitalization. In addition, the country has also started an ambitious agenda of broader structural reforms.

For Greece the rough ride is not over but with the significant accomplishments in 2010-13 for which, in comparison with other crisis countries Greece will be fine. Japan although is lucky enough to have much more competitive products, its own currency(Greece uses the Euro which is causing a lot of troble for it as its exports stay high) and has a much more respected nation brand, they are in a much much more complicated and difficult situation then any other country in the world as they have a lot of factors against them......however they have many factors on their side also.

As to the expanision arguement I guess you are talking about the tendency for our current form of economics to depend on economic growth....right? You should really think about stickig to one chain of thought before starting another, it makes your post really hard to understand. Well if that is what you meant by "Liberal ideology is dependant on expansion to accommodate corruption, there in no new resource or industry."

Well if so let me tell you because world wide over 100million people enter the labor market everyday, becoming part of the global unemployment rate which as of today stands at around 12% that is about 1billion people and over 70% of the world's population is poor....we need to expand the economy of the world so that it encampases these people also.

Since: Jun 12

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#180 Jan 13, 2013
Wow you have a very vivid imagination...

"remember US President come to beg China, Chairman Mao stay at home with his feet up. "

Am not the best historian out there but I don't remember watching a documentary that mentioned any US president "begging"( alot of you pro china posters really like to abuse this word also by the way), I do remember watching one on the korean war in which the US military wanted to invade china using nukes. None about any begging though.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#181 Jan 13, 2013
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
if anything reading this?
Chinese/Asians should stop giving so much respect to a white...
just because they are white...
lots of big talk from them... but the proof is in how they have run their countries...
sure their standard of living is very high... but at what cost... that cost is their country...
sad really... not only did they exploit countries like India and China...
but untouched countries like Australia, Canada, USA,
Africa even...
today guys like Deadman stand on their bankrupted pulpits and look down on nations like China..
when the reality is they should have done so much better with all that they had...or had taken from others
BTW jerk, Africa is not a country....
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#182 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
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Hey i thought you stopped posting here and yet you are back......the world economy is always going to crush, its the cycle. I have told you this a million times but you never get it.
And if you haven't noticed it is recovering.
I said I was going to posting for a while...

and when the USA stops printing up money it doesnt have then it will be a true recovery

I noticed you are still biased as ever...

all I hear... is western economies... talking austerity or borrowing more money to stimulate their economies..
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#183 Jan 13, 2013
stop
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#184 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW jerk, Africa is not a country....
I said "Africa even..." stupid white trash
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#185 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
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Imbecile, rating agencies had nothing to do with the crush btw, theirs is on how possible it is to get ur money back if u invested on a country. And seeing that the US, EU and Norway have kept up with their payments even despite the economic downturn shows that these agencies were right.
One more thing u obivously have no idea what being bankrupt means so i copied this down for ur agrarian simple mind to chew on....
Bankruptcy is a legal status of a person or organization that cannot repay the debts it owes to creditors.
whatever IDIOT

they allowed subprime mortgages to prime mortgages to be packaged together and rated them as the highest quality

you have no shame...
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#186 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
<quoted text>
Agrarian past? What are we in the stone age? Society has moved on from that type of thinking, ask Cambodia, the year zero and Pot whatever his name was.
most Chinese still have their farms back home...

you just think you can eat your cell phone...
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#187 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
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Well am not too sure about the congo, have very little knowledge about that region, been to south africa once but its the most complicated systems/situtations that i have ever seen in my life once and i dont know what kabila is.
But I am very aware of the Greece situation, Greece is in a much better situation the Japan is in long run because the pain it is feeling now is due to reforms that have taken place. In the short run it is the sick man of Asia but in the long run it will be very strong.
Look at for example it has already completed 60% of the reforms demanded by the EU/Germans and competitiveness is improving, with unit labor costs falling significantly, banks have been resilient and maintained adequate capitalization. In addition, the country has also started an ambitious agenda of broader structural reforms.
For Greece the rough ride is not over but with the significant accomplishments in 2010-13 for which, in comparison with other crisis countries Greece will be fine. Japan although is lucky enough to have much more competitive products, its own currency(Greece uses the Euro which is causing a lot of troble for it as its exports stay high) and has a much more respected nation brand, they are in a much much more complicated and difficult situation then any other country in the world as they have a lot of factors against them......however they have many factors on their side also.
As to the expanision arguement I guess you are talking about the tendency for our current form of economics to depend on economic growth....right? You should really think about stickig to one chain of thought before starting another, it makes your post really hard to understand. Well if that is what you meant by "Liberal ideology is dependant on expansion to accommodate corruption, there in no new resource or industry."
Well if so let me tell you because world wide over 100million people enter the labor market everyday, becoming part of the global unemployment rate which as of today stands at around 12% that is about 1billion people and over 70% of the world's population is poor....we need to expand the economy of the world so that it encampases these people also.
But I am very aware of the Greece situation, Greece is in a much better situation the Japan

^ this guy has no shame at all...

Japan is also sitting on around 800 billion in US debt... they get in trouble the can stop buying US debt and liquidate their US holdings

o wait

maybe the USA can mint them a 1 trillion dollar coin...

LOL
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#188 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82

has no shame...thankfully his kind is going poor and dying out...
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#189 Jan 13, 2013
white loudmouth ... still yapping away

his premise, is a country going bankrupt is a natural course of business...

so listen to my drivel...

only good thing is if have of the idiots in the west think like dreadman82

China is assured of smooth ascent... as retarded west will just keep the status quo

nothing is wrong in the USA... going bankrupt is normal...

but not for China... because in the USA we have skilled workers...

blah blah blah
Rtloder

Bankstown, Australia

#190 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well am not too sure about the congo, have very little knowledge about that region, been to south africa once but its the most complicated systems/situtations that i have ever seen in my life once and i dont know what kabila is.
But I am very aware of the Greece situation, Greece is in a much better situation the Japan is in long run because the pain it is feeling now is due to reforms that have taken place. In the short run it is the sick man of Asia but in the long run it will be very strong.
Look at for example it has already completed 60% of the reforms demanded by the EU/Germans and competitiveness is improving, with unit labor costs falling significantly, banks have been resilient and maintained adequate capitalization. In addition, the country has also started an ambitious agenda of broader structural reforms.
For Greece the rough ride is not over but with the significant accomplishments in 2010-13 for which, in comparison with other crisis countries Greece will be fine. Japan although is lucky enough to have much more competitive products, its own currency
As to the expanision arguement I guess you are talking about the tendency for our current form of economics to depend on economic growth....right? You should really think about stickig to one chain of thought before starting another, it makes your post really hard to understand. Well if that is what you meant by "Liberal ideology is dependant on expansion to accommodate corruption, there in no new resource or industry."
Well if so let me tell you because world wide over 100million people enter the labor market everyday, becoming part of the global unemployment rate which as of today stands at around 12% that is about 1billion people and over 70% of the world's population is poor....we need to expand the economy of the world so that it encampases these people also.
China love to help African People help themselves, much investment, in Ethiopia for one example, China invest in shoe factory, workers live in homes provided by factory, all services provided, doctor, dentist child care facilities. Step in right direction and shoes good quality very cheap. Xi Jinping indicate this is way to go, Socialism With Chinese Characters.
Greece only completed 60% of reforms on paper, so what they stop a few pensions,
WHEN DOES FIRE SALE TAKE PLACE, they not going to have one, they not ever going to pay any of their debt back, it's impossible debt will vanish because Euro print many
more Euros, only developing countries pay.
But the vast majority of resources are in developing countries, including cheap labour, China has access to it, Japan does not. When they had the opportunity Japan invested in South Korea, and itself and very little else.
Japan got competitive products, but most brand names are soon forgotten UP MARKET SIGNIFICANCE IS MORE WHAT YOU SAY NOT WHAT YOU WEAR THESE DAYS.
You know that 82 or you wouldn't be talking on the internet, Citizen Watches are shallow and disrespectful, should be a law against them. Besides Japan already lost 1% of GDP because they start fighting with China.
Most development now is possible in Trans Caucasian Region, Africa, Mongolia, Siberia
12%world unemployed, demographics in poor countries make a mockery of that,
probably much more than that, problem is wealthy countries are paying themselves far too much, Japan for instance, using their influence in financial markets to
strangle competition, thinking China is still in the opium den, that's how they justify their claim to Diaoyu island, they say they got it given to them then by Awful Britain.
I know how to expand world economy, sink Japan financially and let honest brokers have a turn.
lct

Beijing, China

#191 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
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you still owe me an appology for saying i was spreading rumours. Funny how i know more about whats going on in your own country. And by the way Norway is not for sale
you don't know a thing about china.

you are just someone with wishful thinking about china.

an utimate loser.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#192 Jan 13, 2013
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
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But I am very aware of the Greece situation, Greece is in a much better situation the Japan
^ this guy has no shame at all...
Japan is also sitting on around 800 billion in US debt... they get in trouble the can stop buying US debt and liquidate their US holdings
o wait
maybe the USA can mint them a 1 trillion dollar coin...
LOL
No they can not liquidate the holding in a split second fool, they are not called US 30-year treasury bonds for nothing. The best the Japanese could do is sell these bonds in which case they would lose out on the full returns of their investment because no one will buy US bonds at that price. And lets say they did sell these bonds and got exactly the amount they are expecting in returns, their currency would shoot up in value and make their currency so expensive that the export sector would take a big hit.

Secondly they hold about just 7% of US GDP.....very tiny. The stimulus cost $800bn, the war in Iraq cost trillions....think about it.

Thirdly even if they could liquidate these bonds, who in their right minds would want to break the hand that feeds it.....the Japanese know that the US market is an important market and therefore it stands to reason that breaking the economy that feeds not only its citzens who are the largest consummers of your products and on whom much of your other consumers depend on would not be like shotting themselves in the leg....no,more shotting themselves in the head.

Go back to school and start again

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#193 Jan 13, 2013
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
<quoted text>
most Chinese still have their farms back home...
you just think you can eat your cell phone...
I will tell you again this.....THE EU PRODUCES MORE FOOD THEN THE US AND CHINA DUMMY, Europeaans and Americans are better at growing food then you.

The reason why not everyone knows how to farm is that we believe in seperation of labor, better I am an economist and don't do any of the farming because in that way I become the best economist, the same way it is better if say I am a farmer that i stick only to farming because in that way I become the best farmer in the land.

Word for today is SEPERATION OF LABOR.....REMEMBER IT
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#194 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
<quoted text>
No they can not liquidate the holding in a split second fool, they are not called US 30-year treasury bonds for nothing. The best the Japanese could do is sell these bonds in which case they would lose out on the full returns of their investment because no one will buy US bonds at that price. And lets say they did sell these bonds and got exactly the amount they are expecting in returns, their currency would shoot up in value and make their currency so expensive that the export sector would take a big hit.
Secondly they hold about just 7% of US GDP.....very tiny. The stimulus cost $800bn, the war in Iraq cost trillions....think about it.
Thirdly even if they could liquidate these bonds, who in their right minds would want to break the hand that feeds it.....the Japanese know that the US market is an important market and therefore it stands to reason that breaking the economy that feeds not only its citzens who are the largest consummers of your products and on whom much of your other consumers depend on would not be like shotting themselves in the leg....no,more shotting themselves in the head.
Go back to school and start again
^ yes retard because the USA is printing its money out of thin air... you dont have to tell us that...

and im talking about a situation where Japan has no other option but to sell those bonds... like when their elderly over 60 hit 40% of the population by around 2050

and they run out of workers anyways...

big talking windbag... worried about Japans currency going... up if there is a world wide dump on your currency and bonds...

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Comparing Japanís debt problem with that of Greece or the United States isnít totally apt. There is one key difference: Athens depends on foreigners to purchase government bonds, where as Japan has personal financial assets with an estimated •1,450 trillion and government bonds are purchased mostly by domestic buyers.

Yes, Japan has a huge debt-to-GDP ration but much of it is financed internally through its huge residual savings while the United States must get help from abroad, namely from China and Japan. The Japanese government has borrowed mostly from Japanese while Japan has continued accumulating foreign assets, behavior that arguably makes more sense that borrowing excessively from foreigners as is the case with the United States.

http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php...
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#195 Jan 13, 2013
dreadman82 wrote:
<quoted text>
I will tell you again this.....THE EU PRODUCES MORE FOOD THEN THE US AND CHINA DUMMY, Europeaans and Americans are better at growing food then you.
The reason why not everyone knows how to farm is that we believe in seperation of labor, better I am an economist and don't do any of the farming because in that way I become the best economist, the same way it is better if say I am a farmer that i stick only to farming because in that way I become the best farmer in the land.
Word for today is SEPERATION OF LABOR.....REMEMBER IT
^ now we got a fricken windbag farmer...

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#196 Jan 13, 2013
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
white loudmouth ... still yapping away
his premise, is a country going bankrupt is a natural course of business...
so listen to my drivel...
only good thing is if have of the idiots in the west think like dreadman82
China is assured of smooth ascent... as retarded west will just keep the status quo
nothing is wrong in the USA... going bankrupt is normal...
but not for China... because in the USA we have skilled workers...
blah blah blah
The US is not nor will not go broke in the next 30years. Dick Cheny once said there is nothing wrong with deficits, mmany people didn't understand what he meant and thought he was crazy. After all if you spend more then you earn that is bad. But in the world of economic developed giants with a much more traditional national spirit like Japan and the US they donít matter.

When you own the bank that is your principal creditor. The US has remained impervious to the speculative attacks that have crippled countries such as Greece and Iceland because it has not fallen into the trap of dependency on foreign financing.

The US has an limitless demand for its products and the dollar, it has the largest domestic demand on the planet and even now it is far from having it fill. In other words the money is in the promise of loyal consumers which the US does.

You base your arguement of a smooth ascent for China based on a surplus. Zimbabwe runs a surplus, Japan runs a surplus and so do many crisis hit countries in the developed and 3rd world....but as I had already said before, surplus' on the long term are harmful. You need a huge domestic demand for what you produce otherwise you end up with overinvestment and overheating problems that have hit Japan and many other countries.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#197 Jan 13, 2013
normally I wouldnt give a shiet... but then your the one here with your sky is falling attitude on China

so lets discuss it....

bottom line is when society brakes down....is the average westerner going to be able to grow their own food...

because thats what its going to take...

I am saying the Chinese not one generation removed from their farming plots are going to have a better chance of surviving....

they have been through enough famines...

or on a micro level the average westerner is going to be able to grow his own food...

you have no shame at all...

you are just pretending the the have countries in the EU are going to give to the have nots...
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UK threat

Britain...imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising

The UK has a highly successful agricultural industry, but many domestic and international factors affect food production and prices for consumers in the UK. This became evident during the world food price spike of 2008.

The food and drink supply chain is the UKís single largest manufacturing sector and accounts for 7% of GDP, employs 3.7M people and is worth £80Bn per year (ref 1).

But although the UK has a thriving farming sector Ė it exported £12Bn of food and drink in 2007 (ref 2)Ė Britain is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising (ref 1). Therefore, as a food-trading nation, Britain relies on both imports and thriving export markets to feed itself and drive economic

http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/issue/uk.html

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