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Your "rebuttals" can be found in any number Israeli Foreign Ministry funded, Hasbara "Talking Points"
1. All the Hasbara scripted "ZionoFunnyFacts" don't negate the fact that today's Arab residents of the Levant are the direct descendants of the Canaanites, Jebusites etc...
2. See #1
3. Can you spell "Settlements"?
The 2% Jewish population inhabiting British Palestine dreaded the coming of modern, Zionist, Terrorist, Land Thieves more than their existing Arabic neighbors.
Zionism is a toxic hate cult thriving on professional deception, selective outrage, violence, Racism & the blood of others.
Can you produce Documents showing that "Israel" has legal and fixed borders?
They are talking points because they are the reality.
The majority of today's Palestinians (of their own admission) are not from ancient Canaan. You can find dozens of quotes of prominent Palestinians who agree with me. They also make the same claim that there was no Palestinian people and they are the same as the other Arabs in the region. Interesting how you disagree with the words of the people you speak of. They deny what you claim. I have posted these quotes numerous times often directed at yourself. But you know this already.

So you can find one study which is negated by the dozens of others. Well done anything to attacks Jews. Not to mention the fact that his assumption pre-research negate the research as finding what he wanted from the beginning.

Wouldn't they be something other than Arabs if they have been on the land for thousands of years. The Arabs only arrived on the land after the Islamic Conquest?

Resolution 181 has no legal basis THE UN WEBSITE CLEARLY STATES THAT UN GA RESOLUTIONS ARE NOT LEGALLY BINDING. YOU SEEM TO INGNORE THIS AND SEEM TO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GA RESOLUTIONS AND SC RESOLUTIONS.

242 MAKES NO MENTION OF PALESTINIANS OR A STATE. ISRAEL HAS LEFT OVER 90% OF THE LAND SO HAS IN THEORY FULFILLED THIS RESOLUTION. 338 JUST CONFIRMS 242.

Give any evidence that Israel is in breach of 242 of 338. its great that you can name resolutions but the ones you name do not back your claim; on the contrary they support what i have said.

Try reading the documents you speak of before making claims.

3. so you can give no evidence? interesting.

You are lying as usual. Not sure where you get the 2% figure from but in 1920, the League of Nations' Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine claimed that Jews were over 10% of the population.

I have given the documents to you and even explained them in depth enough times but you choose to dismiss them. The Mandate for Palestine, UN Charter article 80, give Israel a legal basis for all of W.Palestine. This includes giving the non-Jews on the land Autonomy. The border according to the Mandate included the Golan Heights, S.Lebanon, Gaza, WB, Israel. Jordan was cut off by the British in the early 1920's according to an article in the Mandate document which gave them the right to cut it from the future Jewish state.

SO YOU HAVE GIVEN NO EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY JUST SOME CATCHPHRASES. WELL DONE.

Instead of trying to prove the Palestinians legal basis for the land (which you obviously are unable to do, otherwise you would have) you try to negate Israels right.

GIVE ME ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE GREEN LINE HAS ANY LEGAL BASIS?
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You continuously clammer for irrelevant "Documents" composed by Foreign Colonial Powers, Proven Mass Murdering Zionist Invaders/Occupiers but cannot produce ANY Extra Biblical reference to the existence of an Ancient "Israel"
“DECONSTRUCTING THE WALLS OF JERICO”
“IN ANCIENT EGYPT, CANAAN REVISITED WITHOUT ISRAEL”
http://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/in-a...
EXCERPT "In his article “Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho“, appearing in Ha’aretz (29 October 1999), Ze’ev Herzog calls the mention of Israel on the stele a reference to “population group of nomads” who most probably were always on the move, looking for fertile land to herd their animals. In the article Herzog concludes.
“Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out:
The patriarchs’ acts are legendary stories, we did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, and we did not conquer the land.
Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon.
Those who take an interest have known these facts for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and doesn’t want to hear about it.”
Did you know that Egypt is mentioned in the Holy Bible approximately 700 times (Egypt: 595 times, Egyptian(s): 120 times).
Israelites were mentioned in the ancient Egyptian records once or … maybe none at all."CONTINUED
There is not even any "direct archaeological evidence for the existence of Solomon's Temple, "
So, what else in self serving "Hebrew/Israelite" composed mythology is a fraud.
“Solomon's Temple”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Solomo...
“According to the Hebrew Bible, Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, was the Holy Temple (Hebrew: &#1489;&#1461;&#14 68;&#1497;&#1514;& #1470;&#1492;&#1463; &#1502;&#1460;&#14 68;&#1511;&#1456;& #1491;&#1464;&#1468; &#1513;&#1473;&#82 06;: Bet HaMikdash) in ancient Jerusalem, on the Temple Mount (also known as Mount Zion), before its alleged destruction by Nebuchadnezzar II after the Siege of Jerusalem of 587 BCE.“There is no direct archaeological evidence for the existence of Solomon's Temple, and no mention of it in the surviving contemporary extra-biblical literature.”
So when you talk about international law what are you speaking of if not documents written and agreed upon by the world powers in conjunction with the laws they have set up. That is what international law is no?

I don't believe in the Bible and you know this as I have mentioned it numerous times. Who knows what really happened.

There is evidence of what you deny though much of it has been found over the past year.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/H...

Solomons Temple who knows seems to be iffy. Just search on google and you can find sources with evidence of ancient Israel, David and at the least the 2nd Temple. But yes I agree with you that the Bible can't be proven but much of what is written in the books of prophets can.

David Israel an archeologist believes that the Jews back than were the local population. Who knows what really happened but there are numerous beliefs.
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Gray wrote:
"DOCUMENTED Debunking of "Nutjobs" UNDOCUMENTED, Hasbara Talking Points"
“20 Zionist Myths Exposed”
http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/ZionistMyths.html
More BS from you just in the first article you post there are numerous discrepancies.

found a link to the questions you speak of.http://www.targetofopportun ity.com/palestinian_truth.htm

The name Palestine came from the time of the Romans when they persecuted the Jews and changed the name of the land.

There was no Palestinian nation.(I am not denying the fact that many of these people lived on the land for centuries. But many did not.

The article speaks of Solomon and David which you deny existed. So you pick and choose what to post depending on what your aim is?

Interesting on why Jerusalem is not mentioned in the koran. Taught me something new. Sounds logical. Although the claim of Muhamad speaking of the Mosque there which wasn't built until after he died is a funny one.

Point 9-10&11 seems as though they were unable to give a response as they wrote nothing.

The claim in 14 is false. The PLO never ratified their Charter. They had to quote a letter and the Oslo Accord as the Charter has not changed. Also claims moderation in the 1970's but this is when the PLO Phased Plan came out which is a step by step guide to the destruction of Israel. They have been following these steps since. Read the document.

"Unfortunately most of these resolutions have no enforcement authority" this is from your article in reference to the UN resolutions which have no legal basis. it also includes SC resolutions which are not under Chapter 7 which allows for military action.

So the link you posted disputed some of what you continuously claim, they seem unable to answer some of the questions, and even agree with me on some things. Thanks
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http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2012/07/de...

The link above explains how Israel shrunk before it was created and not the other way around as many Palestinian Propagandists claim.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2012/06/fo...

rips apart the claims of millions of Palestinian refugees

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http://elderofziyon.blogspot.c o.il/2012/07/debunking-map-tha t-lies.html
The link above explains how Israel shrunk before it was created and not the other way around as many Palestinian Propagandists claim.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2012/06/fo...
rips apart the claims of millions of Palestinian refugees
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Shut it nutjobs.

Historians or you can look at this issue from any angle you wish, the historical fact is, the British with their wheelings and dealings, over a period of time, stole Arab land in Palestine to create the state of Israel.

Jews are right now stealing Arab land, which is an International crime, breaking UN resolutions.
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Today's Palestinians are immigrants from many nations: "Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudaneese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, Tartars, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Bulgarians, Georgians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians, Copts, Maronites, and many others." (DeHass, History, p. 258. John of Wurzburg list from Reinhold Rohricht edition, pp. 41, 69).

There are villages populated wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire in the 19th century. There are villages of Bosnians, Circassians, and Egyptians.-Parkes, James William, History of the Peoples of Palestine, Hammondsworth, Great Britain, 1970, p. 212.

There are very large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece, and Italy, Turkomen settlers, a fairly large Afghan colony, Motawila, immigrants from Persia, tribes of Kurds, a Bosnian colony, Circassian settlements, a large Algerian element, Sudanese…-Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1911 ed.

[Ibrahim Pasha, the 1831 Egyptian conquerer of Palestine] "left behind him permanent colonies of Egyptians at Besian, Nablus, Irbid, Acre, and Jaffa. Into Jaffa alone, "at least 2,000 people have been imported." -Ernst Frankenstein, Justice For My People, London, Nicholson and Watson, 1943, p. 127.

In 1860, entire Algerian tribes immigrated en masse to Safed. The Muslims of Safed, are "mostly descended from these Moorish settlers and from Kurds that came earlier to the city."
-De Haas, Jacob, History of Palestine, The Last Two Thousand Years, New York, 1934, p. 425.

"I learn of the arrival of about 6,000 of the Beni Sukhr Arabs at Tiberias who are very seldom seen this side of the Jordan."
-British Consul James Finn in apers Relating to the Distubances in Syria, no. 2, June 1860, p. 35.

After 1870, "the [Turkish] forward policy included…the planting of Circassian colonies in the country."
-Smith, CG in Studies on Palestine During the Ottoman Period, Jerusalem, 1975, p. 93.

"The Arabs would have sat in the dark forever had not the Zionist engineers harnessed the Jordan river for electrification. Now they swarm into Palestine in seeking the light."
- Winston Churchill, 1922 "A Peace to End All Peace"

"This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery."
-Palestine Royal Commission Report, London: 1937

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied until their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."
-Winston Churchill, 1939.

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MV: "Recently the Israeli government forcibly expelled hundreds of children solely because there are not Jewish."

Liar. They were deported, along with their parents, because their parents had overstayed their visas. Any country in the world does the same thing.

MV: "Israel set up a propaganda hospital in Haiti after the devastating earthquake as part of its "Brand Israel" campaign hoping that a phony show of sympathy will make people forget about Israeli killing and occupation of millions of Palestinians. Only the American media, naturally, went along with the ploy. After the cameras left, Israel entirely fled from Haiti."

Another lie. After the Israeli field hospital left–a hospital dedicated to emergency treatment rather than long-term convalescence–(after being the wonder of the other delegations for its equipment and expertise in emergency medicine), a large group of Israeli teachers, social workers and aid workers arrived to treat trauma and rebuild schools, they're still there. A contingent of the Israeli police also spent six months in Haiti at that government's request, to help preserve law and order. They returned with the highest compliments of the Haitian government.

MV: "The biggest infiltrators are the occupying Zionists who came, conquered and continue to oppress."

The biggest lie of all. Many Arabs identify their origins by their family names. Here are some of the most common family names among the "Palestinians":

"Masri" = from Egypt-Hamas member of Parliament, Mushir al-Masri (the word "masri" littelery means "the egyptian" in arabic !).
"Khamis"= Bahrain "Salem Hanna Khamis" "al-Faruqi"= Mosul, Iraq
"al-Araj" = Morocco, a member of the Saadi Dynasty "Hussein al-Araj"
"al Lubnani" = the Lebanese
"al-Mughrabi" = the Moroccan (Maghreb" – meaning "West" in Arabic, and usually referring to North Africa or specifically to Morocco)
"al-Djazair" = the Algerian
"al-Yamani" = the Yemeni "Issam Al Yamani"
"al-Afghani" = the Afghan
"al-Hindi" = the Indian "Amin al-Hindi"
"Iraqi" = from Iraq.
"halabi" = from Aleppo, Syria
"El Baghdadi" = from Baghdad Iraq.
"Tarabulsi"= Tarabulus-Tripoli, Lebanon.
"Hourani" = Houran Syria.
"al-Husayni" = Saudi Arabia.
"Saudi" = Saudi Arabia.
"Metzarwah"= Egypt.
"Barda---wil" = "Salah Bardawil" HAMAS legislator in Gaza; Egypt, Bardawil Lake area.
"Nashashibi" = Syria.
"Bushnak" = Bosnia
"zoabi"= from Iraq: "Haneen Zoabi".
"Turki" = Turkey "Daud Turki"
"al-Kurd" = Kurdistan.
"Haddadins" = YEMEN descended from Ghassanid Christian Arabs.
"Arab Abu-Kishk" = Egypt.(Bedouins)
"Arab al shakirat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al zabidat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al aramsha" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Abu Sitta" = In Arabic' Abu means father and sitta means six. Translated it actually means father of six.(The Abu Sitta family primarily received this name because around the year 1700, a well known knight of the large Al-Tarabeen tribe always had six slaves (i.e. fedawyah, bodyguards), 3 on each side, with him. They were with him wherever he went, day or night. Hence the name "ABU SITTA." = Egypt (Bedouins) "Salman Abu Sitta ".)

Even Yasser Arafat, the most famous "Palestinian" and leader of the P.L.O terrorist organization, was not native to Judea. He called himself a "Palestinian refugee" but spoke Arabic with an Egyptian accent. He was born in 1929 Cairo, Egypt. He served in the Egyptian army, studied in the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956! His full name was Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini. "Al-Qudwa" tribe origin?

Yasser Arafat also proudly stated in his authorized biography that, "If there is any such thing as a Palestinian people, it is I, Yasser Arafat, who created them."

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/182419

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MV: "Recently the Israeli government forcibly expelled hundreds of children solely because there are not Jewish."
"Masri" = from Egypt-Hamas member of Parliament, Mushir al-Masri (the word "masri" littelery means "the egyptian" in arabic !).
"Khamis"= Bahrain "Salem Hanna Khamis" "al-Faruqi"= Mosul, Iraq
"al-Araj" = Morocco, a member of the Saadi Dynasty "Hussein al-Araj"
"al Lubnani" = the Lebanese
"al-Mughrabi" = the Moroccan (Maghreb" – meaning "West" in Arabic, and usually referring to North Africa or specifically to Morocco)
"al-Djazair" = the Algerian
"al-Yamani" = the Yemeni "Issam Al Yamani"
"al-Afghani" = the Afghan
"al-Hindi" = the Indian "Amin al-Hindi"
"Iraqi" = from Iraq.
"halabi" = from Aleppo, Syria
"El Baghdadi" = from Baghdad Iraq.
"Tarabulsi"= Tarabulus-Tripoli, Lebanon.
"Hourani" = Houran Syria.
"al-Husayni" = Saudi Arabia.
"Saudi" = Saudi Arabia.
"Metzarwah"= Egypt.
"Barda---wil" = "Salah Bardawil" HAMAS legislator in Gaza; Egypt, Bardawil Lake area.
"Nashashibi" = Syria.
"Bushnak" = Bosnia
"zoabi"= from Iraq: "Haneen Zoabi".
"Turki" = Turkey "Daud Turki"
"al-Kurd" = Kurdistan.
"Haddadins" = YEMEN descended from Ghassanid Christian Arabs.
"Arab Abu-Kishk" = Egypt.(Bedouins)
"Arab al shakirat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al zabidat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al aramsha" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Abu Sitta" = In Arabic' Abu means father and sitta means six. Translated it actually means father of six.(The Abu Sitta family primarily received this name because around the year 1700, a well known knight of the large Al-Tarabeen tribe always had six slaves (i.e. fedawyah, bodyguards), 3 on each side, with him. They were with him wherever he went, day or night. Hence the name "ABU SITTA." = Egypt (Bedouins) "Salman Abu Sitta ".)
Even Yasser Arafat, the most famous "Palestinian" and leader of the P.L.O terrorist organization, was not native to Judea. He called himself a "Palestinian refugee" but spoke Arabic with an Egyptian accent. He was born in 1929 Cairo, Egypt. He served in the Egyptian army, studied in the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956! His full name was Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini. "Al-Qudwa" tribe origin?
Yasser Arafat also proudly stated in his authorized biography that, "If there is any such thing as a Palestinian people, it is I, Yasser Arafat, who created them."
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/182419
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Shut it nutjobs.

Historians or you can look at this issue from any angle you wish, the historical fact is, the British with their wheelings and dealings, over a period of time, stole Arab land in Palestine to create the state of Israel.

Jews are right now stealing Arab land, which is an International crime, breaking UN resolutions.
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MV: "Recently the Israeli government forcibly expelled hundreds of children solely because there are not Jewish."
Liar. They were deported, along with their parents, because their parents had overstayed their visas. Any country in the world does the same thing.
MV: "Israel set up a propaganda hospital in Haiti after the devastating earthquake as part of its "Brand Israel" campaign hoping that a phony show of sympathy will make people forget about Israeli killing and occupation of millions of Palestinians. Only the American media, naturally, went along with the ploy. After the cameras left, Israel entirely fled from Haiti."
Another lie. After the Israeli field hospital left–a hospital dedicated to emergency treatment rather than long-term convalescence–(after being the wonder of the other delegations for its equipment and expertise in emergency medicine), a large group of Israeli teachers, social workers and aid workers arrived to treat trauma and rebuild schools, they're still there. A contingent of the Israeli police also spent six months in Haiti at that government's request, to help preserve law and order. They returned with the highest compliments of the Haitian government.
MV: "The biggest infiltrators are the occupying Zionists who came, conquered and continue to oppress."
The biggest lie of all. Many Arabs identify their origins by their family names. Here are some of the most common family names among the "Palestinians":
"Masri" = from Egypt-Hamas member of Parliament, Mushir al-Masri (the word "masri" littelery means "the egyptian" in arabic !).
"Khamis"= Bahrain "Salem Hanna Khamis" "al-Faruqi"= Mosul, Iraq
"al-Araj" = Morocco, a member of the Saadi Dynasty "Hussein al-Araj"
"al Lubnani" = the Lebanese
"al-Mughrabi" = the Moroccan (Maghreb" – meaning "West" in Arabic, and usually referring to North Africa or specifically to Morocco)
"al-Djazair" = the Algerian
"al-Yamani" = the Yemeni "Issam Al Yamani"
"al-Afghani" = the Afghan
"al-Hindi" = the Indian "Amin al-Hindi"
"Iraqi" = from Iraq.
"halabi" = from Aleppo, Syria
"El Baghdadi" = from Baghdad Iraq.
"Tarabulsi"= Tarabulus-Tripoli, Lebanon.
"Hourani" = Houran Syria.
"al-Husayni" = Saudi Arabia.
"Saudi" = Saudi Arabia.
"Metzarwah"= Egypt.
"Barda---wil" = "Salah Bardawil" HAMAS legislator in Gaza; Egypt, Bardawil Lake area.
"Nashashibi" = Syria.
"Bushnak" = Bosnia
"zoabi"= from Iraq: "Haneen Zoabi".
"Turki" = Turkey "Daud Turki"
"al-Kurd" = Kurdistan.
"Haddadins" = YEMEN descended from Ghassanid Christian Arabs.
"Arab Abu-Kishk" = Egypt.(Bedouins)
"Arab al shakirat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al zabidat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al aramsha" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Abu Sitta" = In Arabic' Abu means father and sitta means six. Translated it actually means father of six.(The Abu Sitta family primarily received this name because around the year 1700, a well known knight of the large Al-Tarabeen tribe always had six slaves (i.e. fedawyah, bodyguards), 3 on each side, with him. They were with him wherever he went, day or night. Hence the name "ABU SITTA." = Egypt (Bedouins) "Salman Abu Sitta ".)
Even Yasser Arafat, the most famous "Palestinian" and leader of the P.L.O terrorist organization, was not native to Judea. He called himself a "Palestinian refugee" but spoke Arabic with an Egyptian accent. He was born in 1929 Cairo, Egypt. He served in the Egyptian army, studied in the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956! His full name was Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini. "Al-Qudwa" tribe origin?
Yasser Arafat also proudly stated in his authorized biography that, "If there is any such thing as a Palestinian people, it is I, Yasser Arafat, who created them."
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/182419
Facts are stubborn things. You waste your time explaining them to these Jew hating morons. Good job.
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Gray wrote:
"DOCUMENTED Debunking of "Nutjobs" UNDOCUMENTED, Hasbara Talking Points"
“20 Zionist Myths Exposed”
http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/ZionistMyths.html
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“BET’YA DIDN’T KNOW THAT ARCHEOLOGY IS ANTI-SEMITIC “
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/b...
“Anyway, if Israel nationalism depends on the Bible’s stories of David and Solomon being historical, then kiss it goodbye.”
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Facts are stubborn things. You waste your time explaining them to these Jew hating morons. Good job.

Good job ??.
Let's look at the facts.
Did you read and compare Nut jobs. Post with Grays .
Obviously you didn't , or you wouldn't say good job.
They both denounce the history incorporated in Religious Theology concerning (p) Abraham's Religion.
So nut job is agreeing with Gray that Israel is founded on Secularism.
So why didn't Israel tell the world that.
And if that's the case why the fu ck was me and my children tortured for over 60 years.
When everybody agrees anyway.


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Good job ??.
Let's look at the facts.
Did you read and compare Nut jobs. Post with Grays .
Obviously you didn't , or you wouldn't say good job.
They both denounce the history incorporated in Religious Theology concerning (p) Abraham's Religion.
So nut job is agreeing with Gray that Israel is founded on Secularism.
So why didn't Israel tell the world that.
And if that's the case why the fu ck was me and my children tortured for over 60 years.
When everybody agrees anyway.
"Nutjobs" mentor/source is an excellent indicator of the Right Wing, Zionist War Mongers/Expansionists he represents.

"Nutjobs" exposes himself as another pro-War apologist for more Zionist Land Grabs and genocide

Rational Israelis and American Jews reject these Militant Extremists and their pro-War Blood, Lust Land, Grabs so dear to "Nutjobs"and other "Armchair" Warriors so eager to soak distant soil with American, Israeli & Muslim blood.

“Some Impressions of Giuliani’s Adviser, the Brilliant Extremist Daniel Pipes”
http://mondoweiss.net/2007/09/give-the-devil....
EXCERPT “Pipes: "The word victory has disappeared from our discourse.”

Israel is pussyfooting with the Arabs. He says that there is not one leader in Israeli&#8232;politics who does not think that the Israelis will have to make a deal with&#8232;their neighbors, and Pipes says that a deal would be foolish and postpone war.

Are these ideas in the American interest?

"All the talk of reaching a resolution. It doesn’t work. If you reach some kind of resolution, you postpone the ending of the war," pipes up Pipes.

Rabin was wrong to say that Israel must make peace with its enemies.

You make peace with "former enemies."

Enemies must be&#8232;defeated and broken and made to understand that they have lost, not negotiated&#8232;with.“The y must give up…

We must not appease, we must win.”

Pipes says that it will be easy to "physically" defeat our enemies.

The real battle, he says, is on the political battlefield–in an American argument over how far we should go. Clearly, he is losing.

Pipes is completely out of the American mainstream.

An armchair intellectual, he is prescribing militarism to societies

&#8232;beleaguered by militarism.“ CONTINUED

Feel free to research "Nutjobs" heros/mentors (D. Pipes etc) and you'll see the deceit, hate, and cowardice endemic to all extremist Land Grabbing War Mongers.

When "Nutjobs" & his fellow Hasbara "Keyboard Commandos" do their Cheerleading.......others do the Bleeding:

"One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
George Orwell, 1938

“Israel's right needs perpetual” war”
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/...
EXCERPT “Israel needs both an external and an internal enemy, a constant sense of emergency - because peace, whether with the Palestinians in the territories or the Palestinians in Israel, is liable to weaken it to the point of existential danger.” CONTINUED
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Good job ??.
Let's look at the facts.
Did you read and compare Nut jobs. Post with Grays .
Obviously you didn't , or you wouldn't say good job.
They both denounce the history incorporated in Religious Theology concerning (p) Abraham's Religion.
So nut job is agreeing with Gray that Israel is founded on Secularism.
So why didn't Israel tell the world that.
And if that's the case why the fu ck was me and my children tortured for over 60 years.
When everybody agrees anyway.
While Secular Jews are the ones who created Israel, Zionism has been part of Judaism for thousands of years.
I did not realize that Israel ever denied this.
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"Nutjobs" mentor/source is an excellent indicator of the Right Wing, Zionist War Mongers/Expansionists he represents.
"Nutjobs" exposes himself as another pro-War apologist for more Zionist Land Grabs and genocide
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What expansionism? Israel under the Mandate was supposed to consist of Jordan, S.Lebanon, Golan, and all of W.Palestine. Israel controlled Sinai and S.Syria but retreated. How is this expansionist?? You are living in denial.

When did I ever call for more war?
When did I ever call for expansion??

YOU ARE MAKING THINGS UP IN EVERY POST YOU WRITE. I HAVE GIVEN YOU DETAILED REBUTTALS EVEN ON THE ARTICLES WHICH YOU POST. INTERESTING HOW YOU NEVER REPLY BUT CONTINUE TO POST MORE BS.

What I posted is not from Pipes but comments by other people on one of his articles.

What makes Pipes my mentor?? When have I posted anything from him or referred to him in my posts.

SINCE YOU HAVE NO REAL ANSWER AS USUAL YOU HAVE TO GO ON A TANGENT, TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT, ATTACK SOMEONE WHO HAS NO CONNECTION TO ME OR WHAT I WROTE,

INTERESTING HOW I PROVIDED AN IN DEPTH POST SHOWING HOW YOUR SUPPOSED LINK TO REFUTE ME, NOT ONLY SUPPORTS SOME OF WHAT I HAVE SAID, BUT ALSO SEEMS UNABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO REFUTE.

One thing I do agree with what Pipes believes is that in the Middle East with the Arab nation the only thing which is respected is strength. When Israel showed strength the surrounding countries were worried to mess with it. As soon as the appeasement began Israel became a target. If the Palestinians truly realized that they couldn't win they would agree to peace, since they believe that the world and Israel leaders will help them to destroy Israel in the end they are perpetuating the conflict.

As for Rabin you should learn some history.

Rabin was not giving the Palestinians a state he said this clearly in speeches.
Oslo Accord was supposed to give autonomy for the Palestinians and not a state. It meant a United Jerusalem, Israel continued settlement in the WB and Jordan Valley.
Rabin said he would try this because peace is better than war, but if it didn't work he would turn back.
I believe Rabin was killed because he had given the Palestinians as much as he would. If he had lived chances are he would have cancelled the accord according to his own words.

The fact is that the whole of Palestinian society is built around destroying Israel and killing Jews. If anyone can show otherwise go ahead.

Grey still waiting for you to answer and questions rebuttals anything really.

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While Secular Jews are the ones who created Israel, Zionism has been part of Judaism for thousands of years.
I did not realize that Israel ever denied this.
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Zionism has been part of Judaism for thousands of years???

You need to learn your history, you zionist piece of s hit,

Zionism came into being in the latter half of the 19th century.

Now get lost Jewboy and don't steal anymore Palestinian land, if you value your ass.

Hehehe.
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Zionism has been part of Judaism for thousands of years???
You need to learn your history, you zionist piece of s hit,
Zionism came into being in the latter half of the 19th century.
Now get lost Jewboy and don't steal anymore Palestinian land, if you value your ass.
Hehehe.
Another stupid post from an ignorant Nazi.

It is not history but religion you idiot. I am Jewish and grew up orthodox and have probably studied Judaism more than most people especially on this forum. Modern Secular Zionism came about in the latter half of the 19th century but Religious Zionism has been around for thousands of years.

It is in the Bible and Psalms.
1160 Alroy in Kurdistan aimed to rebuild Israel with an uprising starting in Kurdistan.
1648 Shabbtai Tzvi
around 1840 again there was a group who came to the land.
Napoleon spoke of recreating a Jewish state with Hebron as its capital.

Throughout history Jews have been returning to the land. most were killed or expelled during wars or because of plagues.

It is spoken of in the 13 blessing said three times a day, it is said on Passover and Yom Kippur.

What about the fact that nearly all countries of the world have only been created since the late 1800's? This and the persecution in the West seems to lead up to Modern Zionism.

You can find poems and songs for centuries before.
Ever heard the song "by the rivers of Bablyon"

STILL WAITING FOR ANY EVIDENCE OF STOLEN PALESTINIAN LAND.
ACTUALLY STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I HAVE ASKED OR EVEN GIVE ANY BASIS FOR YOUR CLAIMS.

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Another stupid post from an ignorant Nazi.
It is not history but religion you idiot. I am Jewish and grew up orthodox and have probably studied Judaism more than most people especially on this forum. Modern Secular Zionism came about in the latter half of the 19th century but Religious Zionism has been around for thousands of years.
It is in the Bible and Psalms.
1160 Alroy in Kurdistan aimed to rebuild Israel with an uprising starting in Kurdistan.
1648 Shabbtai Tzvi
around 1840 again there was a group who came to the land.
Napoleon spoke of recreating a Jewish state with Hebron as its capital.
Throughout history Jews have been returning to the land. most were killed or expelled during wars or because of plagues.
It is spoken of in the 13 blessing said three times a day, it is said on Passover and Yom Kippur.
What about the fact that nearly all countries of the world have only been created since the late 1800's? This and the persecution in the West seems to lead up to Modern Zionism.
You can find poems and songs for centuries before.
Ever heard the song "by the rivers of Bablyon"
STILL WAITING FOR ANY EVIDENCE OF STOLEN PALESTINIAN LAND.
ACTUALLY STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I HAVE ASKED OR EVEN GIVE ANY BASIS FOR YOUR CLAIMS.
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Nutjobs the jewboy talks bollocks, the nazi worthless wog.

Zionism has been part of Judaism for thousands of years???

You need to learn your history, you zionist piece of s hit,

Zionism came into being in the latter half of the 19th century.

Now get lost Jewboy and don't steal anymore Palestinian land, if you value your ass.

Hehehe.
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Nutjobs the jewboy talks bollocks, the nazi worthless wog.
Zionism has been part of Judaism for thousands of years???
You need to learn your history, you zionist piece of s hit,
Zionism came into being in the latter half of the 19th century.
Now get lost Jewboy and don't steal anymore Palestinian land, if you value your ass.
Hehehe.
Just shows your hatred blinds maybe you should read Greys post.

Zionism is part of Jewish daily prayer which has been around for hundreds of years at the least if not thousands. Amazing how your arrogance makes you believe in anything you want that you are so in denial evidence is irrelevant to you. Abraham was supposedly told by god that the land would be for his children.

Still waiting for you to answer any question I have ever asked or give any evidence to back the BS you post here on a daily basis.

It easy for you to threaten someone who is on another continent. Wonder how much of a pussy you would be if you came to Israel and said these things to my face. Have you ever spoken with derogatory language at a Jews face? or are you a pussy who hides online inciting hatred using lies and myths.

So you are racist also? I am not dark skinned anyways but still find your language offensive. obviously.

I have given you numerous examples and if you search you can find more. The word Zionism was coined at the end of the 1800''s, but the idea of Zionism has been part of Judaism for a long time.

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"Nutjobs" mentor/source is an excellent indicator of the Right Wing, Zionist War Mongers/Expansionists he represents.
"Nutjobs" exposes himself as another pro-War apologist for more Zionist Land Grabs and genocide
Rational Israelis and American Jews reject these Militant Extremists and their pro-War Blood, Lust Land, Grabs so dear to "Nutjobs"and other "Armchair" Warriors so eager to soak distant soil with American, Israeli & Muslim blood.
“Some Impressions of Giuliani’s Adviser, the Brilliant Extremist Daniel Pipes”
http://mondoweiss.net/2007/09/give-the-devil....
EXCERPT “Pipes: "The word victory has disappeared from our discourse.”
Israel is pussyfooting with the Arabs. He says that there is not one leader in Israeli&#8232;politics who does not think that the Israelis will have to make a deal with&#8232;their neighbors, and Pipes says that a deal would be foolish and postpone war.
Are these ideas in the American interest?
"All the talk of reaching a resolution. It doesn’t work. If you reach some kind of resolution, you postpone the ending of the war," pipes up Pipes.
Rabin was wrong to say that Israel must make peace with its enemies.
You make peace with "former enemies."
Enemies must be&#8232;defeated and broken and made to understand that they have lost, not negotiated&#8232;with.“The y must give up…
We must not appease, we must win.”
Pipes says that it will be easy to "physically" defeat our enemies.
The real battle, he says, is on the political battlefield–in an American argument over how far we should go. Clearly, he is losing.
Pipes is completely out of the American mainstream.
An armchair intellectual, he is prescribing militarism to societies
&#8232;beleaguered by militarism.“ CONTINUED
Feel free to research "Nutjobs" heros/mentors (D. Pipes etc) and you'll see the deceit, hate, and cowardice endemic to all extremist Land Grabbing War Mongers.
When "Nutjobs" & his fellow Hasbara "Keyboard Commandos" do their Cheerleading.......others do the Bleeding:
"One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
George Orwell, 1938
“Israel's right needs perpetual” war”
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/...
EXCERPT “Israel needs both an external and an internal enemy, a constant sense of emergency - because peace, whether with the Palestinians in the territories or the Palestinians in Israel, is liable to weaken it to the point of existential danger.” CONTINUED

Pipes is probably abstruse agnostic .
The article didn't really say I could find out but why bother , Nutjobs is both Pipes and manufactured by what Jews mistakenly believed was impossible to prove, so we need look no further to see what it is I am "about" to be talking "about".
Doubles , where they come from and why they are here.
They come from the twin dimensions of Allah's Ordination .
The Secular and the Theological.
The Secular can't do without the Theological , because it has no way to refute homosexuality .
The Theological can't do without the Secular because it has no way to deny doctrine being the determinant of everything.
The opposite double of Allah's twin dimensions of Ordination .
Is satan's twin dimensions of ordination.
The dogmatic poofter.
Pipes. and whoever.

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Just shows your hatred blinds maybe you should read Greys post.
Zionism is part of Jewish daily prayer which has been around for hundreds of years at the least if not thousands. Amazing how your arrogance makes you believe in anything you want that you are so in denial evidence is irrelevant to you. Abraham was supposedly told by god that the land would be for his children.
Still waiting for you to answer any question I have ever asked or give any evidence to back the BS you post here on a daily basis.
It easy for you to threaten someone who is on another continent. Wonder how much of a pussy you would be if you came to Israel and said these things to my face. Have you ever spoken with derogatory language at a Jews face? or are you a pussy who hides online inciting hatred using lies and myths.
So you are racist also? I am not dark skinned anyways but still find your language offensive. obviously.
I have given you numerous examples and if you search you can find more. The word Zionism was coined at the end of the 1800''s, but the idea of Zionism has been part of Judaism for a long time.
Nutjobs the jewboy talks bollocks, the nazi worthless wog.

Zionism has been part of Judaism for thousands of years???

You need to learn your history, you zionist piece of s hit,

Zionism came into being in the latter half of the 19th century.

Now get lost Jewboy and don't steal anymore Palestinian land, if you value your ass.

Hehehe.

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