Bush returns to Mideast, seeking peace

[my kind of town]

"Hiya"
Not hard to laugh at your pablum though. It's become so transparent that most Americans aren't buying it anymore. See you in November.

What most Americans won;t buy is a group of
nutjobs spouting 2nd Century dogma telling us
how to live. US policy is rooted in self-interest.
Our support of Israel will not change. However, the over-reaching of terrorists is wearing thin worldwide.
Even their Arab "brothers" are now seeing it is time
to reign them in....and "reign" is the operative word.

[Gracefulboomer]

Hiya wrote:

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LOL. I don't think any predecessor would be giving Israel a blank check at this juncture in history. The Palestinian issue is weighing too heavy on Isreal's case.
FDR thru Clinton have been trying to find a suitable win-win to allow Israel and Palestine to live together in peace---until Bush Jr.
Carter recently called Israel's actions toward the Palestinians an "atrocity" and I believe that to be the honest, unspoiled truth. I know FDR thru Clinton probably would have agreed to some extent.

You are wishful thinking if you think any of the candidates policy on Israel will change-

Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Sen. McCain (R-AZ) has described himself as 'proudly pro-Israel.'

McCain argues that there can be no peace process 'until the Palestinians recognize Israel, forswear forever the use of violence, recognize their previous agreements, and reform their internal institutions.'

McCain says he would be willing to use military force against Iran if it attains a nuclear weapon and poses a 'real threat' to Israel.

He also believes the United States should continue to provide Israel with 'whatever military equipment and technology she needs to defend herself.'

He has said that if elected president, he would 'work to further isolate the enemies of Israel' like Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah, and he would 'never pressure Israel to make concessions to states or movements committed to its destruction.'(JPost)

http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/john_mccain.html

Next post Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama same thing.

In April 2008, McCain criticized former President Jimmy Carter for meeting with Hamas. He called Carter's meeting "a grave and dangerous mistake for an American leader."

McCain said Israel’s military action in Lebanon in 2006 was justified.(Arizona Daily Star)

McCain cosponsored the Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006.

[Gracefulboomer]

Hiya wrote:

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LOL. I don't think any predecessor would be giving Israel a blank check at this juncture in history. The Palestinian issue is weighing too heavy on Isreal's case.
FDR thru Clinton have been trying to find a suitable win-win to allow Israel and Palestine to live together in peace---until Bush Jr.
Carter recently called Israel's actions toward the Palestinians an "atrocity" and I believe that to be the honest, unspoiled truth. I know FDR thru Clinton probably would have agreed to some extent.

Hillary Clinton on Israel-

'Israel’s right to exist, and exist in safety, should never be put into question. Israel is confronting many of the toughest challenges in its history, in a neighborhood that is less secure than ever. It is vital that we stand by our friend and our ally and that we stand by our own values. We need to continue to insist that any Palestinian government renounce terrorism and recognize Israel’s right to exist.'

March 6, 2008
Washington, DC –'My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and families who are suffering the loss and horror of this despicable act of terrorism.

The United States and the international community must make clear that such deplorable acts of terrorism will not be tolerated and we must continue to stand with Israel in its fight against terror.'

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/det...

May 25, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Condemning Recent Attacks on Israeli Civilians

'I am saddened and outraged by the repeated rocket attacks against the Israeli cities of Sderot and Ashkelon, attacks that were perpetrated even as the Shavuot holiday came to a close.

Yet another round of attacks by Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups against civilians demonstrates an escalation of violence against Israel.

The rockets have hit homes, synagogues, and schools, injured many and killed nine innocents.

Israel's right to exist, and to defend its people against imminent threat, must never be put in question.

Israel has demonstrated restraint in the face of ongoing of attacks on southern Israel orchestrated from Gaza.

The United States and the international community must stand in support of Israel and send the message to Hamas and to any terrorists who threaten innocent lives on sovereign soil and operate in violation of international law that this behavior will not be countenanced.

Israel is confronting many of the toughest challenges in its history, in a neighborhood that is less secure than ever.

It is vital is that we continue to stand on behalf of the shared interests in security and democracy that form the unbreakable bond between our two nations.

I stand with the people of Israel who live in fear as their homes are besieged and maintain my unwavering commitment to the welfare and survival of the State of Israel.'

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/det...

Full list on Clinton Israeli Policy
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecu...

[Andy]

kocukrihnan wrote:

<quoted text>Who cares for the incumant president for that matter?Those who matter are Abraham Foxman, Joseph Libberman,Charls Shumer etc.Bush enjoys being kicked on the face by Sharon(according to BBC). America belongs not to Americans. It is owned by AIPAC, ADL etc

Oh, BBC , I see thats the British Bullshit Corporation. Now I get it, good quote.

[Andy]

Hiya

It's good of you to present your haughty, long-winded agenda.
It doesn't change the fact that the arabs are comitting an atrocity against humanity with its current Israeli strategy. Aided by the Iranian Adminstration, and subsequently you.(especially you).

[greg_allen]

Andy wrote:

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Oh, BBC , I see thats the British Bullshit Corporation. Now I get it, good quote.

please provide us with a few good sources to read from.
thanks in advance for your cooperation

[DOT]

Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, helped to create the Nazi war machine and supported Hitler's blossoming evil regime:
"Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush."
"President Bush's family had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany; in financing and managing the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S.A."
"The President's family fortune was largely a result of the Hitler project."
"It was not inevitable that millions would be slaughtered under fascism and in World War II. At certain moments of crisis, crucial pro-Nazi decisions were made outside of Germany. These decisions for pro-Nazi actions were more aggressive than the mere `` APPEASEMENT '' which Anglo-American historians later preferred to discuss."
Bush's family HELPED the Nazi's, let alone appeased them. What does Bush have to say about that? Why isn't the MSM calling him out on this?!?
Bush duplicitously holds out an olive branch in one hand, while waving a sword in the other. This is EXACTLY how Hitler was able to instigate WWII.
The Whole Bloody Disgusting Story of Your Nazi President:
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm
Pray for America while he is still your president.

[Andy]

greg_allen wrote:

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please provide us with a few good sources to read from.
thanks in advance for your cooperation

Ever heard of Google???
Do it and see whats there besides nazi muslim propaganda.

[greg_allen]

Andy wrote:

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Ever heard of Google???
Do it and see whats there besides nazi muslim propaganda.

seems as though any time that someone does a copy and paste from a good source found through google or any search engine for that matter, you call it nazi propaganda.
we are all hoping that you can provide us with these good sources that you have so that we can learn.
please help.

[Andy]

greg_allen wrote:

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seems as though any time that someone does a copy and paste from a good source found through google or any search engine for that matter, you call it nazi propaganda.
we are all hoping that you can provide us with these good sources that you have so that we can learn.
please help.

Why I dont believe you???

[Gracefulboomer]

Hiya wrote:

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Not hard to laugh at your pablum though. It's become so transparent that most Americans aren't buying it anymore. See you in November.

I have known many smart Hoosiers, present company excluded.

Gallup Poll. Feb. 11-14, 2008.

"In the Middle East situation, are your sympathies more with the Israelis or more with the Palestinians?"

See results, Palestinians have never polled more than 20% and as low as 7% when they engage in terrorist attacks.

About 20% of Americans either have no opinion or have no sympathy for either.

Of the 80% who have an opinion 60% have sympathy for Israel.

http://www.pollingreport.com/israel.htm

Keep blowing smoke, Hiya, rather than facts.

[Gracefulboomer]

Hiya wrote:

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Not hard to laugh at your pablum though. It's become so transparent that most Americans aren't buying it anymore. See you in November.

Keep blowing smoke, the Pew Research Center polling tracks along the same lines as the Gallop polling

The U.S. Public's Pro-Israel History
In Mid-East Conflicts, Americans Consistently Side with Israel

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/39/the-u.s.-publi...

I have now presented 10 years worth of polling, up to and including 2008 which prove you wrong.

[Gracefulboomer]

Hiya wrote:

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Not hard to laugh at your pablum though. It's become so transparent that most Americans aren't buying it anymore. See you in November.

Actually sympathy for Israel has increased not only in the U.S. but also in Europe since the radical Islamic terrorist group Hamas was elected and overthrew Fatah in Gaza-

New Poll Shows French and Germans more Sympathetic toward Israel
June 20, 2006

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articl...

[Gracefulboomer]

Andy wrote:

Hiya
It's good of you to present your haughty, long-winded agenda.
It doesn't change the fact that the arabs are comitting an atrocity against humanity with its current Israeli strategy. Aided by the Iranian Adminstration, and subsequently you.(especially you).

Agree, and it is interesting that sympathy for the Palestinians always tracks downward after terrorist attacks

On the other hand, Palestinians overwhelmingly approved of the murder of 8 Israeli schoolchildren even when it is against their self interests, losing them sympathy in the polls

Poll Shows Palestinians Support Rocket Attacks and Want Peace Talks to End

Published: March 18, 2008

RAMALLAH, West Bank: A new poll shows that an overwhelming majority of Palestinians support the attack this month on a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem that killed eight young men, most of them teenagers, an indication of the alarming level of Israeli-Palestinian tension in recent weeks.

The survey also shows unprecedented support for the firing of rockets on Israeli towns from the Gaza Strip and for the end of the peace negotiations between Palestinian and Israeli leaders.

The pollster who conducted the survey, Khalil Shikaki, said he was shocked because it showed greater support for violence than any of the surveys he had conducted over the past 15 years in the Palestinian areas. Never before, he said, had a majority favored an end to negotiations or the firing of rockets at Israel.

"There is real reason to be concerned,' Shikaki said in his West Bank office. His Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, which conducts a survey every three months, is widely viewed as among the few independent and reliable gauges of Palestinian public opinion.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/18/mideas...

*Please note the web site is the International Herald Tribune- not a propaganda site

*Please note the poll was conducted by a Palestinian polling group

[greg_allen]

Gracefulboomer wrote:

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You are wishful thinking if you think any of the candidates policy on Israel will change-
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
Sen. McCain (R-AZ) has described himself as 'proudly pro-Israel.'
McCain argues that there can be no peace process 'until the Palestinians recognize Israel, forswear forever the use of violence, recognize their previous agreements, and reform their internal institutions.'
McCain says he would be willing to use military force against Iran if it attains a nuclear weapon and poses a 'real threat' to Israel.
He also believes the United States should continue to provide Israel with 'whatever military equipment and technology she needs to defend herself.'
He has said that if elected president, he would 'work to further isolate the enemies of Israel' like Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah, and he would 'never pressure Israel to make concessions to states or movements committed to its destruction.'(JPost)
http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/john_mccain.html
Next post Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama same thing.
In April 2008, McCain criticized former President Jimmy Carter for meeting with Hamas. He called Carter's meeting "a grave and dangerous mistake for an American leader."
McCain said Israel’s military action in Lebanon in 2006 was justified.(Arizona Daily Star)
McCain cosponsored the Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006.

these are the exact reasons why mccain should not be in office.
he will sacrifice US interests to further isreal.
he will look for a reason to go to war.

he thinks israel's actions in lebanon were ok?
targeting civilians? illegal cluster bombs?
this is why israel and mcain are both bad and dangerous for the US

[Gracefulboomer]

greg_allen wrote:

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these are the exact reasons why mccain should not be in office.
he will sacrifice US interests to further isreal.
he will look for a reason to go to war.
he thinks israel's actions in lebanon were ok?
targeting civilians? illegal cluster bombs?
this is why israel and mcain are both bad and dangerous for the US

All of the Presidents have been consistently pro-Israel because the American public has been and remains pro-Israel.

'I think the idea of Israel and the reality of Israel is one that I find important to me personally. Because it speaks to my history of being uprooted, it speaks to the African-American story of exodus, it describes the history of overcoming great odds and a courage and a commitment to carving out a democracy and prosperity in the midst of hardscrabble land. One of the things I loved about Israel when I went there is that the land itself is a metaphor for rebirth, for what's been accomplished. What I also love about Israel is the fact that people argue about these issues, and that they're asking themselves moral questions.'- Barack Obama

On U.S.-Israel relations:
'Well here’s my starting orientation is A – Israel’s security is sacrosanct, is non negotiable. That’s point number one. Point number two is that the status quo I believe is unsustainable over time. So we’re going to have to make a shift from the current deadlock that we’re in. Number three that Israel has to remain a Jewish state and what I believe that means is that any negotiated peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians is going to have to involve the Palestinians relinquishing the right of return as it has been understood in the past. And that doesn’t mean that there may not be conversations about compensation issues. It also means the Israelis will have to figure out how do we work with a legitimate Palestinian government to create a Palestinian state that is sustainable. It’s going to have to be contiguous, its going to have to work its going to have to function in some way. That’s in Israel’s interest by the way. If you have a balkanized unsustainable state, it will break down and we will be back in the same boat. So those are the starting points of my orientation. My goal then would be to solicit as many practical opinions as possible in terms of how we’re going to move forward on a improvement of relations and a sustainable peace.'- Barack Obama