Blaming Israel for carnage

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Most media outlets aren't providing news of Israel's barbaric air raids on Lebanon with fairness and integrity.

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This thread is becoming darker by the day. Do you people have anything positive to say?? No wonder the middle east is at war for 5000 years, just read this thread and you are supposedly educated and have no clue how to get along or compromise, just kill and destroy.

Some of you profess to be such strong Christians and yet can only wish harm and death. You do not recognize other cultures nor respect others believe.

I am not Jewish nor Israeli but I have no ill will toward them and can honestly say whatever happened 2000 years or 50 years ago happened and is called history, all countries and cultures have it, so get over it and come into the 21st century, enough of the crying and pouting about events that did or did not happen, it is today. You want wars to stop but yet continue to pour fuel on the fight.

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Will you Agree that Abbas is a terrorist and so are much of the Palestinian leadership???
Will you condemn them and many Western countries who pay for the antisemitism (can't ask you to condemn anti-Zionism) and calls to kill Jews coming from numerous parts of Palestinians society?
The Palestine National Council is the supreme legislative representative body for all the Palestinian people inside Palestine and in the Diaspora. The PNC normally sets PLO policies and plans, because it is the highest decision – making body, according to Article (7- a) of the statute of the Palestine Liberation Organization. The PNC composed of independent members, sectors of the Palestinian community, and factions of the PLO, is the sole and legitimate for all the Palestinian people. The Palestine Central Council emerged from the PNC; which elects the members of the Executive Committee of the PLO.
The PNC was established in 1948, when Al Haj Amin AL – Husseni called for the convening of it in Gaza , as the first Palestinian legislative authority on the land of the Palestinian Arab state ; stipulated in the UN resolution 181 in 1947. The Council formed the ( All – Palestine Government ), headed by Mr. Ahmed Helmi Abdelbaqi , who was the representative in the Arab league until 1959.
The National Council of Palestine was renewed, when the first Palestinian conference was held in Jerusalem, on may 28th to 2nd June, 1964; as a decision of the first Arab Summit, held in Cairo in January 1964; to mandate Mr. Ahmed Al – Shukairy , the representative of Palestine in the Arab league at that time , to contact the Palestinian people and the Arab states in order to establish the Palestinian national entity. Mr. Al-Shukariy stated in his speech,” The people of Palestine meet for the first time in Jerusalem, the eternal city, after the disaster of (Al-Nakbeh) to announce through this conference for all the world, that we are the legitimate owners of Palestine, and our aim is to liberate it”.
As the successor to the League of Nations with respect to the mandate the General Assembly had the EXCLUSIVE legal authority to determine that the PLO is the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. This determination is binding upon all member states of the UN, including the US and Israel

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This thread is becoming darker by the day. Do you people have anything positive to say?? No wonder the middle east is at war for 5000 years, just read this thread and you are supposedly educated and have no clue how to get along or compromise, just kill and destroy.
Some of you profess to be such strong Christians and yet can only wish harm and death. You do not recognize other cultures nor respect others believe.
I am not Jewish nor Israeli but I have no ill will toward them and can honestly say whatever happened 2000 years or 50 years ago happened and is called history, all countries and cultures have it, so get over it and come into the 21st century, enough of the crying and pouting about events that did or did not happen, it is today. You want wars to stop but yet continue to pour fuel on the fight.
Dismissing what happened is not going to rectify the problem George. It needs more than trying to shove it under the carpet which seems to be your solution. The same as the occupation of the occupied territories this needs to also be addressed. Being Christian mean acknowledging what was done to both Arabs and Christians in the days pre unilateral declaration of independence by Israels

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George wrote:
This thread is becoming darker by the day. Do you people have anything positive to say?? No wonder the middle east is at war for 5000 years, just read this thread and you are supposedly educated and have no clue how to get along or compromise, just kill and destroy.
Some of you profess to be such strong Christians and yet can only wish harm and death. You do not recognize other cultures nor respect others believe.
I am not Jewish nor Israeli but I have no ill will toward them and can honestly say whatever happened 2000 years or 50 years ago happened and is called history, all countries and cultures have it, so get over it and come into the 21st century, enough of the crying and pouting about events that did or did not happen, it is today. You want wars to stop but yet continue to pour fuel on the fight.
BTW George who is advocating harm and death as a solution??
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The only way it is a democracy is in your dreams. The reality is far different. There is not only discrimination against Christians and Arabs but also Mizrahim Jews. There is discrimination in land ownership, education, unemployment and mean income. At the top of the ladder are the Ashkenazims, followed by the Mizrahim and then at the bottom of the rung the Arabs
Why does the state own 90% of all land in Israel. You still haven't explained why a democratic country would have anti proselytizing laws. I have already given you examples of how Christians have been harassed and intimidated because of it.
Read about land regime and social relations in Israel by:
Alexander (Sandy) Kedar
University of Haifa - Faculty of Law
Oren Yiftachel
Ben-Gurion University of the Negev - Department of Geography and Environmental Development
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm...
I fully expect to get back to me again stating these are also self hating Jews
Why is it so difficult for non-Jews to obtain citizenship and yet it is given freely to Jews?
The only way it is a democracy is in your dreams. The reality is far different. There is not only discrimination against Christians and Arabs but also Mizrahim Jews. There is discrimination in land ownership, education, unemployment and mean income. At the top of the ladder are the Ashkenazims, followed by the Mizrahim and then at the bottom of the rung the Arabs....

Hey sounds familiar doesn't it ?

Just ask an Australian Aboriginal.

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<quoted text>The only way it is a democracy is in your dreams. The reality is far different. There is not only discrimination against Christians and Arabs but also Mizrahim Jews. There is discrimination in land ownership, education, unemployment and mean income. At the top of the ladder are the Ashkenazims, followed by the Mizrahim and then at the bottom of the rung the Arabs....
Hey sounds familiar doesn't it ?
Just ask an Australian Aboriginal.
Nope it doesn't nothing like what is happening in Israel. No Aboriginal is denied access to purchase land in Australia unlike the Israeli Arabs in Israel. They can buy as much as they like. Israel hold over 90 % of the land in the country. This is not the case in Australia and we are in the process of returning their traditional lands Neither are they stopped from expressing their beliefs like in Israel in regarding their beliefs They don't have anyone telling them who they can and can't marry which is the case in Israel. They have access to the same education, health care facilities etc etc. They also have access to housing which is not available to non indigenous Australians. Neither have we brought in a law that prohibits them from having and expressing their own personal beliefs. We are nothing like Israel so go figure

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They are also living in Australia unlike most Palestinians who were dispossessed from their homes and land. Australia apologized to the indigenous population which is something that Israel in her hard faced way has never done. Israel also has unfair citizenship laws where here in Australia anyone can apply for Australian citizenship regardless of their religious affiliations. We are a democracy and Israel is a theocracy that favours the Jews above all others. The also discriminate against Christians

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The young flee Israel because it is a ‘failure’ and ‘xenophobic theocracy’—‘Haaretz’ columnist

Philip Weiss on October 20, 2013 84

An amazing piece on the Israeli reality, by Neri Livneh in Haaretz, reflecting on what a failure it is, how the best young people are leaving. She connects this to Israel’s constitution as a Jewish state, in which Jews are superior to others, and to Yair Lapid’s belief that there is nowhere else in the world for Jews but Israel. The cul-de-sac. Note her lament that she lost a horrifying number of classmates to war. To produce a xenophobic theocracy.

Why isn’t this kind of piece on the cover of the New York Times
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http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/xenophobic-theo...

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Israeli Arabs face red tape when leasing JNF land
Arab citizens who buy apartments on JNF-owned land have a hard time registering their properties, residents say.
By Jack Khoury | Dec. 23, 2013 | 11:21 AM

Despite state assurances to the contrary, Arab citizens of Israel who buy apartments on land owned by the Jewish National Fund are still having a hard time registering their homes in the Land Registry (Tabu), Arab residents of Carmiel claim.

Nizar Bakri and his brother Qassem both bought apartments in a Carmiel building three years ago and began the process of having the property registered in their names. To their chagrin, while their Jewish neighbors had no problem completing the process in a timely fashion, their apartments have yet to be registered.

The Israel Lands Authority makes no bones about the reason. In a letter Bakri received from the ILA, the agency writes:“At issue is a minority lessee and the land on which the apartments are built belongs to the Jewish National Fund, and there is a need to implement a swap between the authorities. There has been a request to execute what was requested but it will take considerable time.”

The source of the problem is that the fact that the JNF insists that its lands be sold only to Jews, since historically its lands were purchased with money from Jewish donors for the purpose of settling Jews in the Land of Israel.

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Hello!!!!!!!!. I don't see any indigenous Australians fleeing Australia for a better life
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George wrote:
This thread is becoming darker by the day. Do you people have anything positive to say?? No wonder the middle east is at war for 5000 years, just read this thread and you are supposedly educated and have no clue how to get along or compromise, just kill and destroy.
Some of you profess to be such strong Christians and yet can only wish harm and death. You do not recognize other cultures nor respect others believe.
I am not Jewish nor Israeli but I have no ill will toward them and can honestly say whatever happened 2000 years or 50 years ago happened and is called history, all countries and cultures have it, so get over it and come into the 21st century, enough of the crying and pouting about events that did or did not happen, it is today. You want wars to stop but yet continue to pour fuel on the fight.
it's just that you cannot cope with facts.
And to say the Middle east is at war for 5000 years CLICHE is a pure illustration of your ignorance.
No one is here to kill and destroy, stop your paranoia and stop your fake show of concern..

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Sharon's war crimes

Israeli 'Lebensraum'

Ariel Sharon has been a promoter of the policy of expelling the 1.6 million Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza, since the Jewish state seized the two regions from Jordan and Egypt in the 1967 war. Immediately following the war, Sharon, then a general in the Israel Defense Force (IDF), deployed armed Jewish "settlers" into the West Bank under the pretext of creating a "defense perimeter." This was the beginning of the policy of making the occupied territories "Arab free," by a combination of terrorism, land annexations, and settlements. By 1985, an estimated 52% of the West Bank and 40% of Gaza had been confiscated by Israelis.

Statistics compiled by the Palestinian Human Rights Information Center of Jerusalem give some indication of the mass murder that the Sharon-dominated government is now systematically carrying out.

During the period from Dec. 9, 1987, when the Intifada, the Palestinian uprising, began, through Aug. 31, 1990, Israeli soldiers, police, and "settlers" have killed 856 Palestinians, and wounded 99,000 more. Of those killed, 217 were under 16 years of age. Of the fatalities, 704 were from gunshot wounds, 63 were from beatings, and 89 were tear gas-related. At least 52 of these deaths were brought about by settlers' militias, through both random and selective shootings and bombings. Twenty of the victims were shot or beaten to death in prison.

The extermination of the Palestinian population of the West Bank and Gaza is not solely implemented through police riots or selective assassinations. An estimated 10,400 Palestinians are currently suffering "administrative detention," as part of a policy of breaking the Palestinians' will. This imprisonment does not require any legal due process, but is imposed by Israeli military or security services for reasons of "state security." There are no time periods of detention specified and no appeal possible. According to some estimates, more than 40,000 Palestinians have passed in and out of detention since the Intifada began in December 1987—a rate of 1 in every 10 men between the ages of 15 and 60. Virtually every family has a relative who has been arrested.

At the same time, Israel has systematically attempted to destroy the livelihood of Palestinians in order to force them to leave. Since the Intifada began, over 1,347 homes have been demolished by the state, for "security reasons," as punishment, or under other pretexts. Families which have their homes demolished, are prohibited by law from constructing new ones, and so are forced to live in tents—or move out. On Oct. 21, Sharon told the French daily Le Monde that any Palestinian found carrying a knife in Jerusalem should have his home demolished.

Uprooting trees is also a favorite form of punishment, since most Palestinian peasants' livelihoods are based on olive, date, almond, and citrus fruit orchards. The Israeli government has uprooted over 91,000 orchard trees since 1987. The curfew imposed since the Haram al-Sharif massacre of Oct. 8 at Jerusalem's Al Aqsa mosque is also economically motivated, since this is the harvest time for olives, the West Bank's most important crop. There have been 7,755 curfew-days imposed in total, on various towns and villages, since the Intifada began. In 1988, ninety percent of the grape harvest, another important crop, rotted in the fields due to curfews.

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courteous europhobe wrote:
<quoted text>The only way it is a democracy is in your dreams. The reality is far different. There is not only discrimination against Christians and Arabs but also Mizrahim Jews. There is discrimination in land ownership, education, unemployment and mean income. At the top of the ladder are the Ashkenazims, followed by the Mizrahim and then at the bottom of the rung the Arabs....
Hey sounds familiar doesn't it ?
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Problem with your response is that the Aboriginal people originated in Africa not Australia. So moving right along!!!!!!!

“Brevity is the soule of wit. ”

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Problem with your response is that the Aboriginal people originated in Africa not Australia. So moving right along!!!!!!!
Gee thanks for crushing this thread with your endless spam, creepy woman.

“Brevity is the soule of wit. ”

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Sharon's war crimes
Israeli 'Lebensraum'
Ariel Sharon has been a yak yak yak...
Wow. Not only can you copy, but you can PASTE too!

Amazing.

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Gee thanks for crushing this thread with your endless spam, creepy woman.

It didn't have much going for it anyway especially based on your boring posts

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Wow. Not only can you copy, but you can PASTE too!
Amazing.
......and you can do neither because you are limited by your lack of intelligence WOW!!!!!
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It didn't have much going for it anyway especially based on your boring posts
You've got a point there.
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They are also living in Australia unlike most Palestinians who were dispossessed from their homes and land. Australia apologized to the indigenous population which is something that Israel in her hard faced way has never done. Israel also has unfair citizenship laws where here in Australia anyone can apply for Australian citizenship regardless of their religious affiliations. We are a democracy and Israel is a theocracy that favours the Jews above all others. The also discriminate against Christians
Most all aussie aboriginals were dispossed from their homes and land, and yet probably never fired one rocket into Sydney or wore an explosives laden vest onto a passenger bus headed for the opera house...

May explain the lack of the apology you desperately seek.

Israel ~as you know ~is not the only country to "disposess" Palestinians.

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