Alleged juvenile offender hanged in Iran

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A 21-year-old man has been executed in Iran for a crime he allegedly committed while apparently still a juvenile.

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ocxz

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#21 Jan 24, 2013
American support for saddam Hussein.

James Woolsey, LLB, MA, former Director of the CIA, on Apr. 2, 2003 stated the following at a teach-in at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA):

"Yes, it’s true. We did. We certainly didn’t put in Saddam, the Ba’athists did that on their own. But we did back him in some limited ways in the 1980s in the war against Iran. He represented himself to be, and the Reagan administration at the time felt that he was, essentially, the lesser of two evils. We backed Saddam in limited ways, mainly with intelligence information against Iran during the ’80s war between the two.

Said K. Aburish, a former Iraqi government official, stated the following on Public Broadcasting System's (PBS) program Frontline: The Survival of Saddam on Jan. 25, 2000:

"The U.S. involvement in the coup against Kassem [General Abdel Karim Kassem] in Iraq in 1963 was substantial. There is evidence that CIA agents were in touch with army officials who were involved in the coup.
There is evidence that they [CIA] supplied the conspirators with lists of people who had to be eliminated immediately in order to ensure success. The relationship between the Americans and the Ba'ath Party at that moment in time was very close indeed. And that continued for some time after the coup.
I have documented over 700 people who were eliminated, mostly on an individual basis, after the 1963 coup. And they were eliminated based on lists supplied by the CIA to the Ba'ath Party. So the CIA and the Ba'ath were in the business of eliminating communists and leftists who were dangerous to the Ba'ath's takeover.
And what gave the whole program of acquiring unconventional weapons an impetus was in the 1970s. The main aim of the West was to pry Saddam away from Russia. And in order to do that , they were bribing him. They were giving him everything he wanted. In the 1980s, the reasons changed [for helping Saddam]....Khomeini appeared on the scene and the West decided that Saddam was the lesser of two evils. And they continued to support him and give him what he wanted. In this case, including credit."

Alfonse D'Amato, JD, former US Senator (R-NY), stated on PBS' Sep. 11, 1990 Frontline broadcast:

"It was a totally uneven policy. There was not a tilt towards Iraq, there was a wholesale rush to Iraq. Ignore everything. Ignore the state-sponsored terrorism. Take any little piece of propaganda that Saddam Hussein would put out, and it would become a wonderful thing. And right down to the last minute -- right down to his last crossing over -- we had State Department people -- in other words, from '81 right on through -- coming out and mouthing his [Saddam Hussein] lines."

Peter Camejo, a Financial Investment Advisor, stated in an interview on FOX News on Feb. 17, 2004:

"The United States and the CIA supported Saddam Hussein, right from the day he came to power, when the Ba'athists first came to power, they even gave lists of the names of people for the Ba'athists to murder, which they did.

The CIA worked very closely with them and United States supported Saddam Hussein at every level -- gave him arms, gave him money, gave him political backing, the military helped him; none of this is really fully understood by the American people. And then the decision when he wouldn't follow orders from Washington, to go to war against Iraq, is an additional crime against the Iraqi people.

Because first we put Saddam Hussein against them, a murderer and torturer, as George Bush says, without ever explaining of course, that politically we supported Saddam Hussein. His father in 1990 even sent a message to Iraq saying what a good job Saddam Hussein was doing. This is after he used poison gas on his people."
ocxz

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#22 Jan 24, 2013
more on Us support to Saddam hussein
congressional report

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s0920...

more

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

etc...etc...

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#23 Jan 25, 2013
I agree he got political support. For a while, but the Soviets armed and trained his military.

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#24 Jan 25, 2013
ocxz wrote:
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First you pass it on as a fact, now it is a metaphor.
Metaphor is not a fact.
So i take it it is the same for all your accusations ?
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Women around the world including western countries have always been treated as 2nd class citizens. When did they get the right to vote in france, in the Usa ? Google it. it is a never-ending struggle.
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Lybia never begged anyone to help defeat Ghadaffi.
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See post below.
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You agreed before he intervened, or with hindsight ?
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Partners in crime. It has to do with evading justice, just like Bush declared that american soldiers were not to be held responsible for any exactions in Iraq. dixit the use of private contractors ie Blackwater so that the USA army would not be exposed to justice.
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What international law, where ? Where is your link ?
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Was not Lybia, Meghrabi was framed, so much he was released by the british, that caused a furor in the USA. No tangible proof.
The truth is related to the Iran Air flight that was shot down by USS Vincennes.
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Must be a nice view.
you have trouble with metaphors. There is a big difference in women not being allowed to vote and Women being legally beaten. I agreed with the first Gulf war and disagreed BEFORE the second one. Just look up International Law. Framed, no way! I envy your view. We go to Hawaii for one month each year and lived there for years...and would full time ig
F grandkids were not all over the mainland.

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#25 Jan 25, 2013
Ps ref acid, see the thread on that in this forum. very sad.
ocxz

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#26 Jan 26, 2013
Kenhunt wrote:
Ps ref acid, see the thread on that in this forum. very sad.
On acid, a lot of them occur also in India, and India is not a muslim country.
Goes to show that it is not a problem specific to muslim countries.
And violence to women is not a muslim specificity.
w wman uk

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#28 Jan 26, 2013
ocxz wrote:
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On acid, a lot of them occur also in India, and India is not a muslim country.
Goes to show that it is not a problem specific to muslim countries.
And violence to women is not a muslim specificity.
Agreed but the treatment of Christian women and women of other faiths in muslim areas in cause for concern its been going on for years but now it being exposed.

"Quranic verses 2.228, 2.282, and 4.11 all codify discrimination against women. Verse 4.34 legalizes wife-beating. Verses 23.5 and 70.28 legalize rape of captive women, which is what Lara Logan was at that moment in time." -Cornelius
More love and charity from the beautiful and peaceful religion! As Egypt's ancient Christian-Coptic community is genocided, the world idly stands by and repeats the pretense that Islam is a "religion of peace." The latest reported atrocity from the Wonderful World of Islam is the kidnap and gang rape of Christian girls in Egypt, with the rapist-beasts receiving what appears to be total immunity for their crimes. Indeed, it is in keeping with the centuries-long Islamic practice of "rape jihad" that these thugs are to be lauded for their despicable behavior.
Where Are Egypt's Christians?
Christians in America and Europe worry about the secularisation of their holiday.... Egypt's Christians have a far more basic worry....
A serious fear of Egyptian Christian parents is not the assimilation of their children into a Muslim majority but the fear of their daughters being abducted, raped and forced to convert to Islam. So fearful are many Christians that they prefer to live in a garbage choked section of Cairo inhabited exclusively by Christians, who would rather risk serious illness and death by disease than the loss of their daughters to predatory Muslims who kidnap their daughters under cover of active police collaboration....
Assyrian International News Agency reports as follows on cases involving Coptic Christian girls who were kidnapped, raped and forcibly converted to Islam by a Muslim gang that was allowed to act with impunity.
Ingy Adel, now 16, was abducted at the age of 12 on her way to school by being anaesthetized and bundled into a car. "I was taken into a room by a man called Sultan, who tied my hands behind my back and raped me," said Ingy. Four men followed Sultan in raping her, "I felt as each one of them raped me, that I was their enemy. They have beaten me ferociously." She said that for a whole month she was given drugs and raped, "more than 50 men raped me." After two months and only through the efforts of her father she was found and brought back home. When they reported the crime to the State Security she was beaten by the officer to change her testimony and say that she ran away from her family with her own free will. "Until today they have done nothing about it and will not do anything, because I am a Christian," sobs Ingy...
The Egyptian government has refused to even extend the minimal protections of dhimmi status to Egypt's Christians. What is done in the name of Islam is simply a rubber stamp for bestial behavior, for the removal of all restraints of human decency....

ocxz

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#29 Jan 26, 2013
w wman uk wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed but the treatment of Christian women and women of other faiths in muslim areas in cause for concern its been going on for years but now it being exposed.
"Quranic verses 2.228, 2.282, and 4.11 all codify discrimination against women. Verse 4.34 legalizes wife-beating. Verses 23.5 and 70.28 legalize rape of captive women, which is what Lara Logan was at that moment in time." -Cornelius
More love and charity from the beautiful and peaceful religion! As Egypt's ancient Christian-Coptic community is genocided, the world idly stands by and repeats the pretense that Islam is a "religion of peace." The latest reported atrocity from the Wonderful World of Islam is the kidnap and gang rape of Christian girls in Egypt, with the rapist-beasts receiving what appears to be total immunity for their crimes. Indeed, it is in keeping with the centuries-long Islamic practice of "rape jihad" that these thugs are to be lauded for their despicable behavior.
Where Are Egypt's Christians?
Christians in America and Europe worry about the secularisation of their holiday.... Egypt's Christians have a far more basic worry....
A serious fear of Egyptian Christian parents is not the assimilation of their children into a Muslim majority but the fear of their daughters being abducted, raped and forced to convert to Islam. So fearful are many Christians that they prefer to live in a garbage choked section of Cairo inhabited exclusively by Christians, who would rather risk serious illness and death by disease than the loss of their daughters to predatory Muslims who kidnap their daughters under cover of active police collaboration....
Assyrian International News Agency reports as follows on cases involving Coptic Christian girls who were kidnapped, raped and forcibly converted to Islam by a Muslim gang that was allowed to act with impunity.
Ingy Adel, now 16, was abducted at the age of 12 on her way to school by being anaesthetized and bundled into a car. "I was taken into a room by a man called Sultan, who tied my hands behind my back and raped me," said Ingy. Four men followed Sultan in raping her, "I felt as each one of them raped me, that I was their enemy. They have beaten me ferociously." She said that for a whole month she was given drugs and raped, "more than 50 men raped me." After two months and only through the efforts of her father she was found and brought back home. When they reported the crime to the State Security she was beaten by the officer to change her testimony and say that she ran away from her family with her own free will. "Until today they have done nothing about it and will not do anything, because I am a Christian," sobs Ingy...
The Egyptian government has refused to even extend the minimal protections of dhimmi status to Egypt's Christians. What is done in the name of Islam is simply a rubber stamp for bestial behavior, for the removal of all restraints of human decency....
I suggest you check the following link and sort the list by descending by clicking on the little arrow, and give me your thoughts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

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w wman uk

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#30 Jan 26, 2013
ocxz wrote:
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I suggest you check the following link and sort the list by descending by clicking on the little arrow, and give me your thoughts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
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You asking me for my thoughts thats amusing. The figures are for police recorded rape do you sreiously think there were only 87 rapes in egypt in 2008 with a population of 80+ mill?
To put it in perspective a muslim pedophile ring was prosicuted last year 9 individuals comited over 200 ofences including raping druging under age girls some of the swine were considered pillers of the islamic comunity in rochdale UK. There are another bunch going through the courts now. Thse are just the tip of the dirty iceberge.
The authorities have saught to censor these goings on its an ongoing problem they are concerned that unrest will happen when the full extent and origin of the culprets comes out . Because it will be some inocent hard working men of brown skin that will be beaten maybe killed for the offences of these scum.
The muslim council of UK should speak out on this subject and address the serious problem with the attitude to women and white women in particular that is apparant with some muslim males . Are the roots of it not in the korans teachings?
ocxz

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#31 Jan 26, 2013
w wman uk wrote:
<quoted text> You asking me for my thoughts thats amusing. The figures are for police recorded rape do you sreiously think there were only 87 rapes in egypt in 2008 with a population of 80+ mill?
To put it in perspective a muslim pedophile ring was prosicuted last year 9 individuals comited over 200 ofences including raping druging under age girls some of the swine were considered pillers of the islamic comunity in rochdale UK. There are another bunch going through the courts now. Thse are just the tip of the dirty iceberge.
The authorities have saught to censor these goings on its an ongoing problem they are concerned that unrest will happen when the full extent and origin of the culprets comes out . Because it will be some inocent hard working men of brown skin that will be beaten maybe killed for the offences of these scum.
The muslim council of UK should speak out on this subject and address the serious problem with the attitude to women and white women in particular that is apparant with some muslim males . Are the roots of it not in the korans teachings?
Ok then you are arguying about 87 rapes in Egypt.
I would suspect that if it was Copt christians they would have trouble getting justice done so let's say that is true.
Now tell me what is the real number then.
Let's say 20542 rapes i just take a wild number. that would mean that 20542 egyptians muslim women were raped, and the egyptians fathers, husbands and wives would condone such behaviours on their wives / daughters and the police would not react to that ?
That Egypt government would close its eyes and let things roll on like nothing is goig on ?
Something does not add up, unless you have the real numbers ?
Are you arguying about the UK numbers too ?

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#32 Jan 26, 2013
ocxz wrote:
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On acid, a lot of them occur also in India, and India is not a muslim country.
Goes to show that it is not a problem specific to muslim countries.
And violence to women is not a muslim specificity.
It is LEGAL under sharia law, and that IS a Muslim specificity. I provided the acid reference because you claimed it did not happen in Iran, remember?
ocxz

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#33 Jan 26, 2013
Kenhunt wrote:
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It is LEGAL under sharia law, and that IS a Muslim specificity. I provided the acid reference because you claimed it did not happen in Iran, remember?
OK since you say it is LEGAL under sharia law, give me a link from an official sharia law tsxt book that says that sharia law allows for throwing acid.
It is not a muslim specificity i gave you examples.
I never claimed it did not happen in Iran.
Show me WHERE i claimed it.
Challenge N°452
N°1 to 451 were unanswered.

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#34 Jan 26, 2013
ocxz wrote:
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OK since you say it is LEGAL under sharia law, give me a link from an official sharia law tsxt book that says that sharia law allows for throwing acid.
It is not a muslim specificity i gave you examples.
I never claimed it did not happen in Iran.
Show me WHERE i claimed it.
Challenge N°452
N°1 to 451 were unanswered.
"Who is throwing acid right now ? which country ?" You used one of those goofy sentences which you claimed I use, asking a rhetorical question. Iran was the subject country. DUH.

I referred to LEGAL violence against women, not acid. Here is a Sharia law reference: "Verse 4:34. According to this verse, a man may not only beat his wives for 'rebellion,' but also beat them simply for the fear of 'rebellion."

There is no doubt about this aspect of the Koran and its law. I am shocked you are so ignorant of something you seem so defensive of.

Something is wrong with your reading comprehension in English. I have in the past complimented your written English, but perhaps something is lost in translation. That is as charitable an explanation as I can muster.

Would you like me to go into more depth on legal discrimination against women in Islamic theocracies? You can look it up, can you not?

Maybe you could do some reading and better grasp the darker side of Islamic dogma.

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#35 Jan 26, 2013
ocxz wrote:
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I suggest you check the following link and sort the list by descending by clicking on the little arrow, and give me your thoughts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
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Admit it, she just showed you specifics. Changing the subject makes you look silly.
ocxz

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#36 Jan 26, 2013
Kenhunt wrote:
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Admit it, she just showed you specifics. Changing the subject makes you look silly.
You are just an idiot, i took the UN tables.
If you have more accurate figures give me a reliable link.
Or maybe you cannot, as usual.

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#37 Jan 26, 2013
ocxz wrote:
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You are just an idiot, i took the UN tables.
If you have more accurate figures give me a reliable link.
Or maybe you cannot, as usual.
Keep your adolescent insults to you self, SVP. She provided the same reference I did re husbands inflicting physical violence on wives, and it is to that I referred. First try to understand, then to be understood. Really, your reading comprehension is very poor. I provided what you asked for, admit it.
ocxz

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#38 Jan 26, 2013
Kenhunt wrote:
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Keep your adolescent insults to you self, SVP. She provided the same reference I did re husbands inflicting physical violence on wives, and it is to that I referred. First try to understand, then to be understood. Really, your reading comprehension is very poor. I provided what you asked for, admit it.
You provided accusations but no proof, no link.
just an article by a journalist.
She provided a copy and paste without any link either.
Who do you think you are fooling ?

I provide links from official UN tables. Links from intelligence sources. like for US support for Saddam hussein you said was not true, and reluctantly admitted.
And you said i look silly, so i said sir you are an idiot.
simple.

All i can see is that you despise islam, muslims, Iran, and anyone that challenges you to give facts rather than hate speech.
Also you attibute comments to me that i never said and when challenged AGAIN to post proof of that you always fail to deliver.
So again sir i say you are an idiot.
Prove me wrong.
simple
ocxz

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#39 Jan 26, 2013
Kenhunt wrote:
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Keep your adolescent insults to you self, SVP. She provided the same reference I did re husbands inflicting physical violence on wives, and it is to that I referred. First try to understand, then to be understood. Really, your reading comprehension is very poor. I provided what you asked for, admit it.
OK since you say it is LEGAL under sharia law, give me a link from an official sharia law text book that says that sharia law allows for throwing acid.
It is not a muslim specificity i gave you examples.
I never claimed it did not happen in Iran.
Show me WHERE i claimed it.
Challenge N°452
N°1 to 451 were unanswered.

Challenge N°453

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#40 Jan 26, 2013
ocxz wrote:
<quoted text>
You provided accusations but no proof, no link.
just an article by a journalist.
She provided a copy and paste without any link either.
Who do you think you are fooling ?
I provide links from official UN tables. Links from intelligence sources. like for US support for Saddam hussein you said was not true, and reluctantly admitted.
And you said i look silly, so i said sir you are an idiot.
simple.
All i can see is that you despise islam, muslims, Iran, and anyone that challenges you to give facts rather than hate speech.
Also you attibute comments to me that i never said and when challenged AGAIN to post proof of that you always fail to deliver.
So again sir i say you are an idiot.
Prove me wrong.
simple
You were provided a direct reference from the Koran.

Sharia law is based on the texts of the Koran and Hadiths. The clergy of the Islamic religious establishment are also the judges within the Islamic judicial system. No text book can do more than directly quote the two sources I provided, since the Koran cannot be revised except at risk of being accused of hypostacy. Were you testing my knowledge of Islamic law or were you just displaying your own ignorance of it? You have been summarily slam-dunked.

I am not engaged in your discussion about rape. That is between you and some other poster.

You are correct, I despise Islam, as I have said before. However, I have never said anything derogatory about Muslims, even one as stupid as you. The same is true of Iran, I despise its foolish foreign policy and its leadership, but for the ordinary Iranian I feel only sympathy.

Yes, you did indirectly deny that Iranians used acid on girls, by use of rhetorical questions. You cannot now escape what you said. It is a fact, notwithstanding the acid issue, that women are seriously mistreated and discriminated against in the Islamic theocracies. You've again been made a fool of.

I said the USA did not support Hussein in his war against the Iranians in any significant way, nothing more or less. The reference you provided said we tried to get him into power but the Bathists were the main catalysts for that. Do you not even read what you cut and paste?

I asked you to keep your personal insults out of this, but you simply could not resist. So with that, fuck you and good bye.
SHIRO

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#41 Jan 26, 2013
USA supported Saddam in a very massive :
Suffice to report that for five years toward the end of war USA diverted all weopen alocated to Israel and Egypt diverted to Sadaam .And if I go in more detail I will have to spent the whole next 24 hours listing USA and Suidi,Kuwaits ,British , France Ecsocet , and Superitendard , Israel financing arrangement and propaganda Aid to sadam ,I may need monday and tuesday too.What is the point ?,O right no Aid to sadaam , but only Economic war on Iran ,How about that...It is History we have our version ,the world has theirs ,USA have its too..Tamaam shoud raaft

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