What Can Washington Do About Iran?

Dec 6, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Mother Jones

The current U.S. strategy is not exactly a raging success-perhaps detente rather than military power is how we might breach that Wall of Mistrust with Iran.

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You cannot do anything to iran . Why you'r bothering , necause of they have weapons ? ;Who is you ?:) why you have weapons ? are you police of the world ?
Yes. It's a big job and thankless, but somebody has to do it. It stands to reason that responsibility would fall to the most advanced, most powerful, richest nation on earth.

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hmmmm ok then I changed it , you'r not police , you'r judge .

Mr.Judge ; who decides who is racional ? you ? and again who is you ? sorry you was Judge .

Mr.Judge ; iran may be think that usa isnt a racional country and can do unexpected acts ? is it possible ?

So in this instance they may have weapons .

Why you dont interfering of russian works ? They have weapons, they have Tsar Bomb . Why you dont , because of they are powerfull ???

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Yes. It's a big job and thankless, but somebody has to do it. It stands to reason that responsibility would fall to the most advanced, most powerful, richest nation on earth.
Be the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people is to fulfill this responsibility.

to trafficking in marijuana is to fulfill this responsibility.

steal the riches of surface and underground is to fulfill this responsibility.

to sell weapons for foment is to fulfill this responsibility.

people set against each other is to fulfill this responsibility.

Yahh you have a great responsibility .

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Be the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people is to fulfill this responsibility.
to trafficking in marijuana is to fulfill this responsibility.
steal the riches of surface and underground is to fulfill this responsibility.
to sell weapons for foment is to fulfill this responsibility.
people set against each other is to fulfill this responsibility.
Yahh you have a great responsibility .
Would you rather leave it up to Iran or Syria to be the police? I'm sure they'd have much respect for human rights.

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hmmmm ok then I changed it , you'r not police , you'r judge .
Mr.Judge ; who decides who is racional ? you ? and again who is you ? sorry you was Judge .
Mr.Judge ; iran may be think that usa isnt a racional country and can do unexpected acts ? is it possible ?
So in this instance they may have weapons .
Why you dont interfering of russian works ? They have weapons, they have Tsar Bomb . Why you dont , because of they are powerfull ???


The USA directly confronted the Soviets on many occasions. We did so in the Berlin airlift, at Checkpoint Charlie, in the waters off of Cuba, across the Fulda Gap, to name a few.

You seem a poor student of history, not to mention English.

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Be the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people is to fulfill this responsibility.
to trafficking in marijuana is to fulfill this responsibility.
steal the riches of surface and underground is to fulfill this responsibility.
to sell weapons for foment is to fulfill this responsibility.
people set against each other is to fulfill this responsibility.
Yahh you have a great responsibility .
Most of the civilian deaths in the ME have been inflicted by Muslims, a sad fact. It goes on right now. The USA makes substantial efforts to avoid collateral deaths, more than any army in any war in history, but, yes, some civilians are killed. In every war, more civilians die than combatants. That is why war should be avoided if at all possible.

The USA does not traffic in marijuana, if you mean selling it abroad. We smoke all we grow (that is a joke). I think Turkey has a rather poor record for exporting drugs of many types. Look around your house.

The USA pays for the oil it consumes. Remember in the First Gulf War, at the end the USA held in its possession all the oil fields of Iraq. We repaired them and returned them to Iraq. Most of the oil contracts there since have gone to other countries.

I am not sure it is fair to say the USA foments war; do you have an example? Right now, for instance, Libyans are furious with the USA because we do not arm the opposition forces. How is your country getting along with the Kurds and Syria? I think you will find that the USA/NATO is helping Turkey in its defense. Should we not?

I encourage you to find several sources for your information before you take pot shots! I wish you well in the future.
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..... We know the price of everything and the value of nothing ...
You've just said all there is to say about the U.S.(and much of the world) in that simple sentence. It's really the root of it all, isn't it. I wonder if terrorist groups such as Al Qaida have a better understanding of that than we do ..... or perhaps even less than we. I guess it depends upon whether they only want to be left alone by "Western values" or if they want to rule the world. But if they do want to rule the world with their own values then they will be no better than the super powers of today who want to do the same.

I think it is important to pick apart the American "machine" to evaluate what is "good" and what is "bad" - but it is equally important to do the same with its counterparts .... evaluating the "good" and the "bad", because although the west will deny it there is both, even in fundamentalist thinking.
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<quoted text>... we were once a Democratic republic but are now run by corporate capitalists.
Yet the truth of that convictiion is so hard for many to see. I guess that we don't "want" to believe it.

When the population (of any nation) is so far removed from the political sphere of understanding, it loses touch with democratic involvement at the citizenry level. They rely on politicians to do their job and resist the temptation of corruption and mis-use of their duties. In the case of the U.S. this dis-connection is preferred, lest the population know what's really going on. Fascism is then a matter of gradual steps of increase, proportional to the ebbing decrease of Democracy.
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<quoted text>Sad but true, when a nation is 16 trillion dollars in debt,wages constant warfare , has it's military in 140 nations around the globe with over 700 foreign bases ...


140? Is it really that many?
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<quoted text>... it doesn't take a crystal ball to see the outcome, just a history book.
Indeed. I wonder - will it end abruptly as with the Third Reich or more gradually (bit for bit) as with the Roman Empire? What do you think?
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You fantasy world of socialism in Europe seeing the greater picture of humanity is some kind of a joke!
This is not the first time you fooled me into thinking you were capable (or willing) to engage in an honest, intelligent discussion.
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Why you dont interfering of russian works ? They have weapons, they have Tsar Bomb . Why you dont , because of they are powerfull ???
Kim Jong Il said that "the bomb" will make the world take North Korea serioulsy. He was right. Iran realizes this as well.

In all of modern history the U.S. and Iran, vis--vis, it is Iran that has been "the good guy" and the U.S. "the bad guy". This has been true only because the U.S. has never taken Iran seriously. Iran has absolutely no choice but to build their own bomb. As long as the U.S. does not destroy all of its bombs, then it is a matter of survival for Iran to have its own bomb.
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Most of the civilian deaths in the ME have been inflicted by Muslims
Most of the civilian deaths in the United Snakes have been inflicted by Christians. Let's bomb the Vatican!

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Kim Jong Il said that "the bomb" will make the world take North Korea serioulsy. He was right. Iran realizes this as well.
In all of modern history the U.S. and Iran, vis--vis, it is Iran that has been "the good guy" and the U.S. "the bad guy". This has been true only because the U.S. has never taken Iran seriously. Iran has absolutely no choice but to build their own bomb. As long as the U.S. does not destroy all of its bombs, then it is a matter of survival for Iran to have its own bomb.
Sounds logical, except when you try to figure out how Iran is going to defend itself from the U.S. with a nuclear weapon...
Nuclear weapons aren't exactly defensive weapons. And how do you think Iran would deliver it? UPS? Cause they have nothing in their arsenal that could reach the U.S. They COULD, however, reach Sweden.
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Force Majeure wrote:
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You've just said all there is to say about the U.S.(and much of the world) in that simple sentence. It's really the root of it all, isn't it. I wonder if terrorist groups such as Al Qaida have a better understanding of that than we do ..... or perhaps even less than we. I guess it depends upon whether they only want to be left alone by "Western values" or if they want to rule the world. But if they do want to rule the world with their own values then they will be no better than the super powers of today who want to do the same.
I think it is important to pick apart the American "machine" to evaluate what is "good" and what is "bad" - but it is equally important to do the same with its counterparts .... evaluating the "good" and the "bad", because although the west will deny it there is both, even in fundamentalist thinking.
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Yet the truth of that convictiion is so hard for many to see. I guess that we don't "want" to believe it.
When the population (of any nation) is so far removed from the political sphere of understanding, it loses touch with democratic involvement at the citizenry level. They rely on politicians to do their job and resist the temptation of corruption and mis-use of their duties. In the case of the U.S. this dis-connection is preferred, lest the population know what's really going on. Fascism is then a matter of gradual steps of increase, proportional to the ebbing decrease of Democracy.
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140? Is it really that many?
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Indeed. I wonder - will it end abruptly as with the Third Reich or more gradually (bit for bit) as with the Roman Empire? What do you think?
It's unfortunate that the American people are being told the boogie man of socialism is coming to get them when the real enemy is fascism, a word which the American people only equate with the swastika.
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Sounds logical, except when you try to figure out how Iran is going to defend itself from the U.S. with a nuclear weapon...
Nuclear weapons aren't exactly defensive weapons. And how do you think Iran would deliver it? UPS? Cause they have nothing in their arsenal that could reach the U.S.
I'll take your word for it that it cannot be used as a defensive weapon. It can however be used in an offense manner, ie. as a threat ...... Period. And ..... I think you're being short-sighted on the subject of progression and developement. You might just as well say, "why send rockets to outer space if you can't live there".
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<quoted text> ...they have nothing in their arsenal that could reach the U.S. They COULD, however, reach Sweden.
Yes, they could. But as the political situation stands today I'm quite certain that Iran would be much more interested in targeting Americans in Turkey and Afghanistan than putting Sweden in the cross-hair. You do agree that they COULD reach those countries, yes?
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It's unfortunate that the American people are being told the boogie man of socialism is coming to get them when the real enemy is fascism, a word which the American people only equate with the swastika.
"Unfortunate" yes. Even "funny" except for the serious danger it represents for all of humanity.

If the U.S. would lift the censorship on international media, all of this American misinformation and ignorance would vanish within a month.

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Kenhunt wrote:
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Most of the civilian deaths in the ME have been inflicted by Muslims, a sad fact. It goes on right now. The USA makes substantial efforts to avoid collateral deaths, more than any army in any war in history, but, yes, some civilians are killed. In every war, more civilians die than combatants. That is why war should be avoided if at all possible.
The USA does not traffic in marijuana, if you mean selling it abroad. We smoke all we grow (that is a joke). I think Turkey has a rather poor record for exporting drugs of many types. Look around your house.
The USA pays for the oil it consumes. Remember in the First Gulf War, at the end the USA held in its possession all the oil fields of Iraq. We repaired them and returned them to Iraq. Most of the oil contracts there since have gone to other countries.
I am not sure it is fair to say the USA foments war; do you have an example? Right now, for instance, Libyans are furious with the USA because we do not arm the opposition forces. How is your country getting along with the Kurds and Syria? I think you will find that the USA/NATO is helping Turkey in its defense. Should we not?
I encourage you to find several sources for your information before you take pot shots! I wish you well in the future.
Shut up soldier , dont tell me story , you can sell these scenarios to hollywood .

LOL!:D We're back to the beginning , who is you ? Policee of the world ?

Why you dont interfering Mexico's works ? Many people dying everyday at mexico , and they are so close to you . WHY ? Isnt there anything there that interests you ?

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Would you rather leave it up to Iran or Syria to be the police? I'm sure they'd have much respect for human rights.
this isnt interest to you. I dont like the western way of life , then I can throw a bomb on you ?

again , who is you ? Police of the world ?
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Terry Buckeye wrote:
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Yes. It's a big job and thankless, but somebody has to do it. It stands to reason that responsibility would fall to the most advanced, most powerful, richest nation on earth.
Thank you we have our own police, and you are doing a shit job.
You don't have what it takes unfortunately.
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Sounds logical, except when you try to figure out how Iran is going to defend itself from the U.S. with a nuclear weapon...
Nuclear weapons aren't exactly defensive weapons. And how do you think Iran would deliver it? UPS? Cause they have nothing in their arsenal that could reach the U.S. They COULD, however, reach Sweden.
Zero geo-strategic insight, go clean rifle and do 1000 push-ups.

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Force Majeure wrote:
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This is not the first time you fooled me into thinking you were capable (or willing) to engage in an honest, intelligent discussion.
You are easily fooled, even by yourself. Socialism is failing. That is a demonstrable fact, unchanged by your insult.

Your own country now takes almost half its GDP in taxes, yet it is sliding down the same chute as Ireland, Spain, Portugal, and Greece. It will take time, of course.

Unlike your futile wishes for the demise of the USA, i do not wish any doomsday scenario for you, Sweden, or the EU. That is the difference between you and me. You hate, and hate fouls your
mind.
I took the time to respond in some depth about the USA, yet in all that the only thing you lit up about was the failure of socialism.

Put away your ugly hate. It will eat you alive.

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Shut up soldier , dont tell me story , you can sell these scenarios to hollywood .
LOL!:D We're back to the beginning , who is you ? Policee of the world ?
Why you dont interfering Mexico's works ? Many people dying everyday at mexico , and they are so close to you . WHY ? Isnt there anything there that interests you ?
Try refuting with facts, not silly, childish remarks like this.

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