Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says

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TEHRAN, Iran- Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad yesterday said the world would witness the destruction of Israel soon, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.
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Topix posters like "w wman uk", "nutjobs here",“Thinking”, "Calypso 17, "Jim Justice" , Waleed Sadat" ,“Shamma” etc are Israel’s “internet soldiers”, i.e. Israeli agents who have been trained and are paid to personally attack, stalk, and harass other Topix posters who do not agree with Israel’s propagada in general or its vicious, slanderous anti-Muslim campaign in particular.
The Hebrew word “hasbara” refers to Israel’s propaganda efforts to improve its image abroad, to justify its actions, and defend itself in world opinion. It is a public diplomacy effort undertaken by Israeli government officers, or individuals in target countries (public or private efforts; group or individual efforts).
Israel portrays itself as fighting on two fronts: against the Palestinians/Arabs and world opinion. The latter is dealt with hasbara. The premise of hasbara is that Israel's problems are a matter of better propaganda, and not one of an underlying unjust situation.
Israel’s Hasbara Handbook instructs its “internet soldiers” on attacking the messenger and avoiding the message at all costs ‘in ways that engage the emotions, and downplay rationality, in an attempt to promote’ their cause.
In a section entitled ‘Name Calling,’ Israel's Jewish Agency writes,‘Creating negative connotations by name calling is done to try and get the audience to reject a person or idea on the basis of negative associations, without allowing a real examination of that person or idea."
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as usual no real answer to any comment just attacking our credibility.(or trying to). It is really irrelevant whether someone gets paid as its about the content. I do not get paid though would not turn it down if offered as long as I can continue to write what i want.

You also seem to believe that you know Hebrew. Hasbarah means explanation that is all plain and simple. It comes from Le'Hasbir - To Explain. So it is you who is shown to be the liar here.

I have always replied to your posts with answers you are the one here and others like Grey who refuse to debate or answer the main questions of the conflict. You are the one who is targeting people here personally. It is laughable that you can write what you do and expect anyone without a mental disability to agree with you as you are doing exactly what you claim others are doing.

Still waiting for a legal document which gives the Palestinians as a nation the right to the land?

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Sep 21, 2013
 
Jews are no good ,! arr ,! there just no good.
For nothing .

Look at the way they wrestled those people to the ground and sat on the if face , yesterday.
For doing what .
Trying to help Palestinian Bedouin who have been on that particular land since time im- memorial , and now , because of some ignorant pig farmer Jew wants to bulldozed and clear them away, they are destitute.
And after surviving the Jew holocaust enacted against them in 48 till now by the farmers of pigs.
Its very sad , they stole their truck too.
But God is just and He will avenge them the righteous Palestinian People.
Jews are good ,! good for nothing , nothing at all.
But I feel better now , thank you so much, to all the good forum members who help the victims of Jew .
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Sep 21, 2013
 
rtloder wrote:
Jews are no good ,! arr ,! there just no good.
For nothing .
Look at the way they wrestled those people to the ground and sat on the if face , yesterday.
For doing what .
Trying to help Palestinian Bedouin who have been on that particular land since time im- memorial , and now , because of some ignorant pig farmer Jew wants to bulldozed and clear them away, they are destitute.
And after surviving the Jew holocaust enacted against them in 48 till now by the farmers of pigs.
Its very sad , they stole their truck too.
But God is just and He will avenge them the righteous Palestinian People.
Jews are good ,! good for nothing , nothing at all.
But I feel better now , thank you so much, to all the good forum members who help the victims of Jew .
So you support violence by the Palestinians. At least you are clear about it.

There is a Jewish town right there and beforehand there was nothing. These Arabs came there after the Jews were already there decades ago. Not to mention the fact that Arabs came from Arabia after the conquest from what is Saudi Arabia today so not exactly time-memorial. But you can trace back Jews living in Hebron until they were massacred by the local Arabs in 1929 for thousands of years. Jews had numerous towns and villages in the West Bank pre-48 until they were 'ethnically cleansed' by the Arab population. Stop trying to portray these Arabs as peaceful and innocent when they are part of the problem.

Do you have evidence of this so called Holocaust against the Palestinians?? There are many West Bank Palestinians who are much wealthier than 99% of Israelis. The have a better standard of living than much of the world. Again you are making things up. No to mention the birth rate, higher education.

No-one here is helping anyone. Some seem to be just venting their hatred. Like yourself.
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Overgrown???
80% was taken straight away in the 1920's to create trans-Jordan.
You keep implying or just saying that Israel occupied it from neighbors but no neighbor legally occupied it in the first place. Egypt illegally occupied Gaza from 1948-67, and Jordan illegally occupied West Bank and Jerusalem from 1948-67.
You really need to learn some history.
Most countries in the world were created by war and conquest. Israel has given land away rather than taken it.
If Israel had control of all the Mandate for Palestine this would include the Golan Heights, West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, S.Lebanon and Israel.
YOU STILL SEEM TO REFUSE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IT SEEMS. Why choose 1917 as the cut off date?? Does this also include the Arabs who came to the land after 1917?
Millions only came from Europe after Israel was created. Most Israeli Jews come from the region.
Europe is allowing millions of African and Middle Easterners to move to their countries. So is the US.
The fact is Jews were always here and have continuously been massacred over the centuries. You asked for evidence of massacres against Jews and the link I posted gave a number of examples. It was the Arabs on the land who started the war with the Jews by massacring them even the indigenous Jews.
YOu find ex-Muslims also at the forefront of anything anti-Islamic. You do however find Jews at the forefront of nearly all humanitarian situations in the world for decades. Whats your point?? It is Jews being massacred for being born Jews. It is Muslims carrying out the massacres. You live in an apartheid which incites hatred against Jews so should understand this. Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi, and so on. ALL THESE SOCIETIES INCITE HATRED AND CALL FOR VIOLENCE AGAINST JEWS. You don't care because you are one of them.
Anything which Isreal does is legal and playing by the rules, and anything which its neigbours do is "illegal and violation of International laws"

This is how the game is played, if Isreal occupied Jerusalem, it was their "right" , if they annexed Golan heights, it was "Their right".

Let every one look at the map of Isreal as it is now in 2013 and compare it to one which was in 1920 and the position will become clear to them.

And Jew's shifting to Palestine, has "nothing to do with WW-1 or Nazi atrocities" during WW-2, because Lord Bilfour the British Foreign Minister in 1907 had "agreed" to British Empire's consent to establish Jewish Home land in Palestine.

So let people do not shed crocodiles tears on the plight of Jews under Nazis and thing that it was to save these "precious lambs" that they were given a "safe heaven" to live in Palestine.

The land has not seen a day of peace since their feet touched this land of peace and it shall never see...

This is how they conquered the land in the first place and that is why they were evicted from that land, first to Babylon and then dispersed thru out Roman Empire in 70 CE.
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Washington Is Driving The World To The Final War

By Paul Craig Roberts

June 29, 2013 "Information Clearing House -“V For Vendetta,” a film that portrays evil in a futuristic England as a proxy for the evil that exists today in America, ends with the defeat of evil. But this is a movie in which the hero has super powers. If you have not seen this film, you should watch it. It might wake you up and give you courage. The excerpts below show that, at least among some filmmakers, the desire for liberty still exists.

Whether the desire for liberty exists in America remains to be seen. If Americans can overcome their gullibility, their lifelong brainwashing, their propensity to believe every lie that “their” government tells them, and if Americans can escape the Matrix in which they live, they can reestablish the morality, justice, peace, freedom, and liberty that “their” government has taken from them. It is not impossible for Americans to again stand with uplifted heads. They only have to recognize that “their” government is the enemy of truth, justice, human rights and life itself.

Can mere ordinary Americans triumph over the evil that is “their” government without the aid of a superhero? If ideas are strong enough and Americans can comprehend them, good can prevail over the evil that is concentrated in Washington. What stands between the American people and their comprehension of evil is their gullibility.

If good fails in its battle with Washington’s evil, our future is a boot stamping on the human face forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

If you, an American, living in superpower America lack the courage to stand up to the evil that is “your” government, perhaps the courage of Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, and tiny Ecuador will give you heart.

A US senator from New Jersey, Robert Menendez, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told the Ecuadoran government that he would block the import of vegetables and flowers from Ecuador if Ecuador gives asylum to Edward Snowden. The cost to Ecuador would be one billion dollars in lost revenues.

Menendez’s statement--”Our government will not reward countries for bad behavior”--is ironic. It equates bad behavior with protecting a truth-teller and good behavior with betraying a truth-teller. Menendez’s statement is also a lie. The US government only rewards bad behavior. The US government consistently rewards those who conspire against the elected governments of their own countries, setting them up as dictators when Washington overthrows the elected governments.
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MUQ wrote:
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Washington Is Driving The World To The Final War
By Paul Craig Roberts
June 29, 2013 "Information Clearing House -“V For Vendetta,” a film that portrays evil in a futuristic England as a proxy for the evil that exists today in America, ends with the defeat of evil. But this is a movie in which the hero has super powers. If you have not seen this film, you should watch it. It might wake you up and give you courage. The excerpts below show that, at least among some filmmakers, the desire for liberty still exists.
Whether the desire for liberty exists in America remains to be seen. If Americans can overcome their gullibility, their lifelong brainwashing, their propensity to believe every lie that “their” government tells them, and if Americans can escape the Matrix in which they live, they can reestablish the morality, justice, peace, freedom, and liberty that “their” government has taken from them. It is not impossible for Americans to again stand with uplifted heads. They only have to recognize that “their” government is the enemy of truth, justice, human rights and life itself.
Can mere ordinary Americans triumph over the evil that is “their” government without the aid of a superhero? If ideas are strong enough and Americans can comprehend them, good can prevail over the evil that is concentrated in Washington. What stands between the American people and their comprehension of evil is their gullibility.
If good fails in its battle with Washington’s evil, our future is a boot stamping on the human face forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
If you, an American, living in superpower America lack the courage to stand up to the evil that is “your” government, perhaps the courage of Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, and tiny Ecuador will give you heart.
A US senator from New Jersey, Robert Menendez, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told the Ecuadoran government that he would block the import of vegetables and flowers from Ecuador if Ecuador gives asylum to Edward Snowden. The cost to Ecuador would be one billion dollars in lost revenues.
Menendez’s statement--”Our government will not reward countries for bad behavior”--is ironic. It equates bad behavior with protecting a truth-teller and good behavior with betraying a truth-teller. Menendez’s statement is also a lie. The US government only rewards bad behavior. The US government consistently rewards those who conspire against the elected governments of their own countries, setting them up as dictators when Washington overthrows the elected governments.
More islamic murder and mayhem this time kenya one brave murhumna as a shopper the if he knew the name of the pedophile prophet moohameds mother the poor chap did not know so he bravly shot him my that murhumna will have a place in heaven with little boys as" pearls"
Game up mug and ratodour we are being educated every day about the religion of peace you pieces of shite.
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Look at the goyim which goes by the name wwman....there is nothing but hate and hatred in her messages.
l agree mug posting passages take from the unholy koram is posting hatred for thats what the koran is about mug piss be upon you.
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Anything which Isreal does is legal and playing by the rules, and anything which its neigbours do is "illegal and violation of International laws"
This is how the game is played, if Isreal occupied Jerusalem, it was their "right" , if they annexed Golan heights, it was "Their right".
Let every one look at the map of Isreal as it is now in 2013 and compare it to one which was in 1920 and the position will become clear to them.
And Jew's shifting to Palestine, has "nothing to do with WW-1 or Nazi atrocities" during WW-2, because Lord Bilfour the British Foreign Minister in 1907 had "agreed" to British Empire's consent to establish Jewish Home land in Palestine...
This is how they conquered the land in the first place and that is why they were evicted from that land, first to Babylon and then dispersed thru out Roman Empire in 70 CE.
You try to ridicule my opinion on the legalities of the conflict but have given no evidence to the contrary EVER. I have given you the legal aspects of the conflict based on international law. I have quoted documents what have you done?

The fact is that Egypt and Jordan had no legal claim to the land they occupied so it was illegal. Israel has a claim to the land so it is disputed. How hard is that to understand and why do you deny this reality when you seem unable to give any evidence to the contrary?

Jerusalem has been majority Jewish since the mid 1800's. BEFORE 1917. In the 1940's the large majority of Jerusalemites were Jewish and under Jordanian control that part of the city became a garbage dump. Graves used as latrines, property stolen, houses of worship destroyed and so on. The Mandate Clearly includes Jerusalem for the Jewish state, Resolution 181 calls for a vote by the residence after 10 years to decide Jerusalems outcome. When between 60-70% of the residents are Jewish its not hard to see what the outcome would have been.

The Temple Mount is the Holiest place in Judaism and is not mentioned once in the Koran. The only reason its 'holy' to Muslims is because the Jews had it first. This is how Islam works they only want something that others want. Under Jordanian occupation no-one from the Arab world went to Jerusalem. Only once under Jewish control suddenly they wake up. Even the PLo Charter 1964 clearly given up their supposed right to Jerusalem (Himmah). Once Jordan lost the land they changed their mind because the Jews controlled it.

The Golan Heights was also part of the Mandate and it was won in a defensive war. Lucky it was not given to Syria because Jihadists are close enough without it.

Balfour declaration was a decade after you claim and had no legal basis until incorporated into the Mandate.

Yes Israel was supposed to include Golan, S.Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, WB, Gaza, Jerusalem. Bit by bit 90% has been taken away from the 1920's.
http://www.justicenow4israel.com/mandatemap.h...
THE FIRST MAP IN THE LINK IS THE ORIGINAL MANDATE FOR PALESTINE.

This region has not seen a day of peace since the Arab countries were created in the 1940's. They oppress all minorities, women, homosexuals, and other religion. You live in an apartheid with separate roads for Muslims and Infidels and areas where people can't go because they aren't Muslim but you attack Israel the only country in the region which doesn't have these evils.
25% of Israeli citizens are not Jewish.
They have the same rights as Jews.
Homosexual center of the region.
Women PM decades ago and two leaders of major Political Parties.
Jews can't pray on the Temple Mount because it may piss of Muslims.

You believe that the Hebrews conquered the land but it could have been the place that the religion was created. Who knows what really happened but there is evidence pointing to the likelihood that the Jews of that time were the people of the land not foreigners.

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So you support violence by the Palestinians. At least you are clear about it.
There is a Jewish town right there and beforehand there was nothing. These Arabs came there after the Jews were already there decades ago. Not to mention the fact that Arabs came from Arabia after the conquest from what is Saudi Arabia today so not exactly time-memorial. But you can trace back Jews living in Hebron until they were massacred by the local Arabs in 1929 for thousands of years. Jews had numerous towns and villages in the West Bank pre-48 until they were 'ethnically cleansed' by the Arab population. Stop trying to portray these Arabs as peaceful and innocent when they are part of the problem.
Do you have evidence of this so called Holocaust against the Palestinians?? There are many West Bank Palestinians who are much wealthier than 99% of Israelis. The have a better standard of living than much of the world. Again you are making things up. No to mention the birth rate, higher education.
No-one here is helping anyone. Some seem to be just venting their hatred. Like yourself.

Modern Israel is the opportunity the Chosen had , Jews and then Christian , to determine the destiny of our Temporal existence.
Its success is the demise of mankind.
Than goodness for the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who answered the call of Divinity's Ambition and gives us an avenue to salvage what the evil Jew and Christian Traitors have not blown asunder.
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Modern Israel is the opportunity the Chosen had , Jews and then Christian , to determine the destiny of our Temporal existence.
Its success is the demise of mankind.
Than goodness for the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who answered the call of Divinity's Ambition and gives us an avenue to salvage what the evil Jew and Christian Traitors have not blown asunder.
In just over half a century Israel has become one of the most advanced countries in the world. Created more technology than nearly any other country in the world, is helping to provide water to large parts of Africa and another dozen countries, is at the forefront of Medical Breakthroughs. Israel has done more for the advancement of society than the 1.5B Muslims together. Maybe look in the mirror and wonder why your religion is mostly still living in the past.

DOES THIS MEAN THAT ANY TECHNOLOGY THAT ISRAEL INVENTED YOU WILL NOT USE? WHAT ABOUT TECH THAT WAS INVENTED IN ISRAEL?

If this is the case you should probably stop using your computer as likely it has tech made in Israel. Also your phone, some GPS tech, and many medical breakthroughs.
Would you die rather than using Israeli tech to save your life?
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Menendez’s threat did not work, but the senator did succeed in delivering yet another humiliating blow to Washington’s prestige. The Ecuadoran President, Rafael Correa, beat Menendez to the punch and cancelled the trade pact with the US on the grounds that the pact was a threat to the sovereignty of Ecuador and to moral principles and was being used by Washington to blackmail Ecuador.

“Ecuador doesn’t accept pressure or threats from anyone,” added Communications Secretary Fernando Alvarado who then offered Washington foreign aid to provide human rights training to combat torture, illegal executions and attacks on peoples’ privacy.

Washington, exposed with its hand in the cookie jar devouring the privacy of the entire world and prevented by its hubris from acknowledging its illegal behavior and apologizing, has so mishandled the Snowden affair that Washington has done far more damage to itself than occurred from Snowden’s revelations. Washington has proven conclusively that it has no respect for anyone’s human rights, that it has no respect for any country’s sovereignty, that it has no respect for any moral principles, especially those it most often mouths, and that it relies on coercion and violence alone. The rest of the world now knows who its enemy is.

Washington’s presstitutes, by helping Washington demonize Snowden, Glenn Greenwald, Manning, Assange, and Ecuador, have demonstrated to the world that the US media is devoid of integrity and that nothing it reports can be believed. The US print and TV media and NPR comprise a ministry of propaganda for Washington’s immoral agendas.

On June 24, the Stasi State’s favorite whore, the Washington Post, denounced three times democratically-elected Rafael Correa as “the autocratic leader of tiny, impoverished Ecuador,” without realizing that the editorial not only demonstrated the Washington Post’s lack of any ethics whatsoever but also showed the entire world that if “tiny, impoverished Ecuador” can stand up to Washington’s threats, so can the rest of the world.

President Correa replied that the Washington Post “managed to focus attention on Snowden and on the ‘wicked’ countries that support him, making us forget the terrible things against the US people and the whole world that he denounced.” Correa added that Washington’s “world order isn’t only unjust, it’s immoral.”

The reason Washington hates Correa has nothing to do with Snowden. That Ecuador is considering asylum for Snowden is just an excuse. Correa is hated, because in the second year of his first term he repudiated the $3 billion dollar foreign debt that corrupt and despotic prior regimes had been paid to contract with international finance. Correa’s default threat forced the international financial gangsters to write down the debt by 60 percent.

Washington also hates Correa because he has been successful in reducing the high rates of poverty in Ecuador, thus building public support that makes if difficult for Washington to overthrow him from within.

Yet another reason Washington hates Correa is because he took steps against the multinational oil companies’ exploitation of Ecuador’s oil resources and limited the amount of offshore deposits in the country’s banks in order to block Washington’s ability to destabilize Ecuador’s financial system.

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Washington also hates Correa for refusing to renew Washington’s lease of the air base in Manta.

Essentially, Correa has fought to take control of Ecuador’s government, media and national resources out of Washington’s hands and the hands of the small rich elite allied with Washington. It is a David vs. Goliath story.

In other words, Correa, like Venezuela’s Chevez, is the rare foreign leader who represents the interests of his own country instead of Washington’s interest.

Washington uses the various corrupt NGOs and the puppet government in Colombia as weapons against Correa and the Ecuadoran government. Many believe that it is only a matter of time before Washington succeeds in assassinating Correa.

American patriots, who feel that they should be on “their” government’s side regardless of the facts, would do well to remember what true patriotism is. For Americans, patriotism has always meant allegiance to the Constitution, not to the government. The oath is to defend the Constitution against enemies domestic and foreign. The Bush and Obama regimes have proven themselves to be the Constitution’s worst enemies. It is not possible for a true patriot to support a government that destroys the Constitution. The United States is the Constitution. Our country is not the Obama regime, the Bush regime, or some other administration. Our country is the Constitution. The Constitution is our country.

Beyond obligations to one’s own country, all humans have a responsibility to human life itself. Washington’s puppet states, such as the NATO countries, Japan, and Colombia, by providing cover and support for Washington’s aggression are enabling Washington to drive the world into World War III.

The temptation of Washington’s money easily overwhelms weak characters such as Tony Blair and David Cameron. But the governments of NATO countries and other accommodating states are not only selling out their own peoples by supporting Washington’s wars of aggression, they are selling out humanity. Washington’s hubris and arrogance grow as Washington bumps off country after country. Sooner or later Russia and China, will realize that they themselves are targets and will draw firmer lines. Arrogance will prevent Washington from acknowledging the lines, and the final war will be launched.

Washington’s hegemonic impulse is driving the world to destruction. The peoples of the world should realize this and force their governments to stop enabling Washington’s aggression.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. His latest book, The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West is now available.

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In just over half a century Israel has become one of the most advanced countries in the world. Created more technology than nearly any other country in the world, is helping to provide water to large parts of Africa and another dozen countries, is at the forefront of Medical Breakthroughs. Israel has done more for the advancement of society than the 1.5B Muslims together. Maybe look in the mirror and wonder why your religion is mostly still living in the past.
DOES THIS MEAN THAT ANY TECHNOLOGY THAT ISRAEL INVENTED YOU WILL NOT USE? WHAT ABOUT TECH THAT WAS INVENTED IN ISRAEL?
If this is the case you should probably stop using your computer as likely it has tech made in Israel. Also your phone, some GPS tech, and many medical breakthroughs.
Would you die rather than using Israeli tech to save your life?

Making hay while the sun shines is as easy as falling off a log.
Israel adopted ideology that was founded by loyalty created by God.
Talmudists Jews betrayed Stalin and Lenin, who had the key of civilized survival.
Then they grafted themselves on to the Wealthy Pragmatists of Western Europe and North America.
Who adopted Zionist philosophy ,
"we make out by fu cking everything else".
It would have been a match made in
Hell , but unfortunately it was the result of Temptation, enacted for a Divine Ambition , and now all mankind will suffer because of the evil clutches projected by you.
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01. You try to ridicule my opinion on the legalities of the conflict but have given no evidence to the contrary EVER. I have given you the legal aspects of the conflict based on international law. I have quoted documents what have you done?

02. The fact is that Egypt and Jordan had no legal claim to the land they occupied so it was illegal. Israel has a claim to the land so it is disputed. How hard is that to understand and why do you deny this reality when you seem unable to give any evidence to the contrary?

03. Jerusalem has been majority Jewish since the mid 1800's. BEFORE 1917. In the 1940's the large majority of Jerusalemites were Jewish and under Jordanian control that part of the city became a garbage dump. Graves used as latrines, property stolen, houses of worship destroyed and so on. The Mandate Clearly includes Jerusalem for the Jewish state, Resolution 181 calls for a vote by the residence after 10 years to decide Jerusalems outcome. When between 60-70% of the residents are Jewish its not hard to see what the outcome would have been.

04. The Temple Mount is the Holiest place in Judaism and is not mentioned once in the Koran. The only reason its 'holy' to Muslims is because the Jews had it first. This is how Islam works they only want something that others want. Under Jordanian occupation no-one from the Arab world went to Jerusalem. Only once under Jewish control suddenly they wake up. Even the PLo Charter 1964 clearly given up their supposed right to Jerusalem (Himmah). Once Jordan lost the land they changed their mind because the Jews controlled it.

The Golan Heights was also part of the Mandate and it was won in a defensive war. Lucky it was not given to Syria because Jihadists are close enough without it.

Balfour declaration was a decade after you claim and had no legal basis until incorporated into the Mandate.

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01. This is what is called reverse logic "I am always right and you are always wrong". What else I can say about "this attitude"?

02. The same line of argument I see in your every post. Egypt and Jordan had "No right" to any land, but the "Unborn Baby" of Isreal was having a "perpetual right" to that land.

03. Now your "imaginary view" is playing Tricks with the "Historical facts"…to call Jerusalem a "jewish Majority city" in mid 1800 s is the "Biggest white lie in the world" .

To call Palestine and Jerusalem as a "garbage dump" is again the part of same Jewish propaganda.

All these UN resolutions were passed by the Christian and Jewish controlled body,

And if Isreal is to "ticklish" about UN resolutions, what about those asking it to vacate all lands it occupied during 1967 wars and stop building new colonies in Palestinian lands?

They only see ONE sided view of these UN resolutions do they?

04. Now is it your turn to "play charm" is it?

The Mosque of AQSA is mentioned in Quran by name and it is the third holiest shrine in Islam.

I do not know what sort of arguments you are giving, turning blind eye to all the atrocities being committed daily by those Ashkenazi Zionist Jews and again blaming the persecutors and not those who are persecuting them.
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Israel has been threatening to wipe Iran off the map for decades now. Iran on the other hand has attacked no other nation in a war of aggression in over 200 years while Israel has started one war after another ever since 1948. Israel is the number one problem in the ME and should be dealt with by NATO as well as the UN. Sitting on a mountain of WMD's and a government chock full of the criminally psychotic, Israel should be invaded by the world, disarmed at gunpoint and a peace enforced upon these racist psychopaths.
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Sep 23, 2013
 
This is an Interview with Dan Meridor, Israels minister for Intelligence and Deputy PM. In this interview he admits that Ahmadinejad never said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map.

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Sep 23, 2013
 
You could truthfully say never has a Nation ever existed that was surrounded by enemies stronger in every sense of the word..
This might be the first time , but the religious world will blame Israel for the unfolding catastrophic debacle about to engulf mankind.
Secularists will be on board too.

The pseudo kingdom of David created by the West using the ideology of Zionism, promised vibrant cities and delivered cannibalism.
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Sep 23, 2013
 
MUQ wrote:
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The Mosque of AQSA is mentioned in Quran by name and it is the third holiest shrine in Islam...
1. You seem to have a problem with backing up any claims you make on this subject. This is meant to be a debate and you can't just say something, you have to give something to either prove it or back up the possibility. This you have not done.
You either post articles that others wrote or just make general grand statements using catchphrases. I have gone to the sources and given you names and context of the documentation I speak of to prove my point. I don't believe I am always right but you have not given any evidence to the contrary.

2. Do you have a mental problem? You seem unable to grasp reality. Jordan and Egypt have no legal claim to the land. If they do give me some evidence. Since you made the claim you are the one who should be backing it up, I can't disprove something which doesn't exist. As for Israels legal right I have quoted and produced documentation in international law to back my claim. I AM STILL WAITING FOR ANY EVIDENCE FROM YOU THAT THE PALESTINIANS HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO THE LAND AS A NATION. IF YOU THINK I AM WRONG THAT SHOW ME HOW OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE CLAIMS.

3. Check the population figures for Jerusalem during the 1800's. After 1844 the Jews became the majority religion and while it went up and down for a few decades after this around the 1880's and since then Jews have been the majority in Jerusalem. By the 1940's Jews were 3/4 of the Population. Did you even look up the population figures before you answered this?

I never said Palestine or Jerusalem are garbage dumps. I said that under Jordanian control this part of the city was treated as a garbage dump. interesting how you make no mention of the fact that Palestinians used Jewish gravestones as latrines and to build roads. Wonder how you would react if it was Muslim gravestones?

So according to your logic Jews control everything but work against themselves??? Half of the UN are Muslim-Arab nations and most of the rest are dictatorships. Obviously they would vote against Israel no matter what. You really have to be an idiot to believe that Israel or Jews control the world when most actions in the world harm Jews and Israel.

Again back to international law. According to international law and the UN's own website UN General Assembly resolutions have no legal application unless agreed upon by those in question.
Resolution 242 makes no mention of all the land. The Russians and Arabs tried to add this in but it was turned down. According to the resolution Israel must leave some occupied land. Israel left Sinai and Gaza which is 91% of the land so they have fulfilled this part of the resolution. There is no mention or call for a Palestinian state. nor does it speak of a Palestinian people. It calls for a just solution to the refugee situation which also includes the 1,000,000 Jews kicked out of Arab countries. and so on. It also calls for secure borders for Israel which would not be the case with the 67 lines. Give me a specific resolution to make a claim and stop making general statements when you have no idea what you are talking about.
You have still given no evidence that the Jewish towns in the Wb are illegal. nor have you given any evidence that the 1948 armistice lines have any legal basis. I have given evidence to the contrary.

4. WHERE IN THE KORAN DOES IT MENTION AL AQSA? JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED HUNDREDS OF TIMES IN THE BIBLE AND NOT ONCE IN THE KORAN. The only reference to Jerusalem in Muslim texts is the far mosque it speaks of. This couldn't have been the Al Aqsa Mosque as it wasn't even built yet. You should learn your own religion.

You mention atrocities again with no evidence. It was Jews who are attacked daily and two soldiers were just murdered in cold blood seemingly with Abbas approval. You are a racist against White Jews.
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Jubail, Saudi Arabia

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Sep 23, 2013
 
NJH wrote:
1. You seem to have a problem with backing up any claims you make on this subject. This is meant to be a debate and you can't just say something, you have to give something to either prove it or back up the possibility.

2. Do you have a mental problem? You seem unable to grasp reality. Jordan and Egypt have no legal claim to the land. If they do give me some evidence...

3. Check the population figures for Jerusalem during the 1800's. After 1844 the Jews became the majority religion and while it went up and down for a few decades after this around the 1880's and since then Jews have been the majority in Jerusalem. By the 1940's Jews were 3/4 of the Population. Did you even look up the population figures before you answered this?



Again back to international law. According to international law and the UN's own website UN General Assembly resolutions have no legal application situation which also includes the

4. WHERE IN THE KORAN DOES IT MENTION AL AQSA? JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED HUNDREDS OF TIMES IN THE BIBLE AND NOT ONCE IN THE KORAN. The only reference to Jerusalem in Muslim texts is the far mosque it speaks of. This couldn't have been the Al Aqsa Mosque as it wasn't even built yet. You should learn your own religion.

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1. Things I write about are so clear and so straightforward that I do not have to give you names and dates.

Any one who has any knowledge about the topic, knows the force of my arguments.

That Isreal has violated so many UN resolutions asking it to go back to pre-1967 boundaries is known to every one.

Same is its case with stop building in Palestine controlled land.

2. If Jordan and Egypt have no claim on the land, how come "Isreal" which was not even born had claim on any land in Palestine?

What type of logic are you following?

3. Please give me any census report from 1800 s to show that Jews had become majority in Jerusalem.

That too right under the nose of Ottoman Empire?

When Muslims took the land of Palestine from Byzantine Empire, there were hardly any Jews to be found there.

Muslims developed that land and it was peaceful for many centuries.

That peace was broken only after 1917, when jews stared landing there in thousands.

What should local people would have done? What is this sort of "forced migration"?

These Western nations who controlled league of nations and UNO and all such bodies rejected the claim of local people and allotted land to jews,

04. Al AQSA masque in mentioned in Quran and the mosque is not the "Physical structure", but the place.

Kaaba will remain Kaaba, even if there is no building there.

It were Christians who had turned that place into Garbage dump, when Muslims got control of it in ~ 650 CE, they cleaned the place and constructed their mosque there.

And what is purpose of mosque, to sing the praise of Lord of this Universe, is He not the God of Jews too?

Jews should learn from their past history and should know that "bullying and treating local population as below the dirt under their feet , had got them evicted from Palestine two times in the past".

And if they do not learn anything from their past history, they would be due for some very grievous chastisement from their Lord.

They have made this entire conflict as about the land, no one talks about truth, justice, equity and tolerance and co-existence.

Just to grab as much land, by any means, fair or foul and stay put on it.

To me, it was a very "bad site selection" to gather all the Jews from all around the world and put them into one place, if some catastrophe was to befall them, where else we will find Jews? In Museums?
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Sep 24, 2013
 
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1. If you really have a basis for your claims you would give them. It is not about names or dates but basic evidence that anything you have said about Israel being true.

It is only certain UN Security Council resolutions which are legally binding; this is clearly stated on the UN Website.
Give the resolutions and any evidence that Israeli building in the WB is Illegal according to international law.

2. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT LEGAL MEANS. ISRAEL HAS A LEGAL CLAIM ON THE LAND BASED ON THE MANDATE, UN CHARTER, ARMISTICE AGREEMENT, RESOLUTION 242 AND EVEN OSLO.
Its called legal maybe coming from a Muslim country that is hard for you to grasp.

3. You speak of reality but don't even know reality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_hist... I may not agree with all the figures here but it makes my point.

Please tell me how Muslims developed the land?

The late Jewish immigration to W.Palestine began in the 1840's and large groups of Jews moved in the last 3 decades of the 1800's. This is basic history. You seem to have 1917 in your head for everything.
According to the Mandate for Palestine the local population would have civil and religious rights but politically it would be a Jewish land. The Arabs got 99.9% of the region not sure why you are bitching about it.
The majority of the Arabs on the land left of their own accord and many were offered return after the war. Those that stayed or returned are the 1.5 million Arabs citizens of Israel. YOU MAKE NO MENTION OF THE 1,000,000 JEWS KICKED OUT OF ARAB LANDS WITH ALL THEIR POSSESSIONS STOLEN.

The LoN was 52 nations they gave the Arabs nearly the whole region. Why not stand up for the Kurds, Somalis, Arameans-Syriacs, Egyptian Copts, Armenians, Azeris, Maltese, Circassians, Greeks, Turcomans, Shabaks, Yazidis, Mandeans, Georgians, Roma, Gagauz, Mhallami and Samaritans. don't they deserve Autonomy?

If you cared about morality you would support real minorities. Instead you choose to support Arabs no different than the Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanian who're mostly Palestinians

4. NAME ONE MENTION OF AQSA IN THE KORAN. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT READ THE BOOK YOU SEEM TO WORSHIP. Again an example of you making a claim but refusing to back it up with any evidence. Maybe this is how it works in Saudi but in the real world debate demands explanation or evidence.

There was no Jerusalem until the 1840's. Before this it was just the old city. It was Christians and Jews who mostly built up what is todays Jerusalem. When Jordan illegally occupied the land it became a dumping ground. STILL NO MENTION FROM YOU THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS USED JEWISH GRAVESTONES TO PAVE ROADS AND AS LATRINES.

Jews were the locals when they were evicted by the Romans. Where do you come up with what you write??

Read the PLO Phased Plan they admit their aim is to take everything.

I thought you would be happy to gather the Jews in one place so you can kill us all according to the Koran and Hamas charter.

So basically:-

You can give no evidence that the 1967 lines have any legal basis.
You can give no document that gives the Palestinians as a nation the right to the land.
You don't understand the difference between logic and international law.
You seem to think Jordan and Egypt had a claim to the land even when they say this themselves.
You have no idea when the Jews started to return in numbers to the land, you have no idea of the history of Jerusalem and when the parts outside the old city were built.
You are in denial about the actions of Jordan when it controlled parts of Jerusalem.
You are in denial that the Palestinians and Arab nation were the same until last century.
You seem to blame Jews or Christians for Muslim actions.
You seem to be unable to accept the evils of Islam in history.
You speak of tolerance and co-existence when it is the Palestinian society which incites hatred and encourages killing Jews and Israeli civilians in general.

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