Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says

[w wman uk]

Yahweh wrote:

jews are devil!

Is Islam Satan Worship
“This exposure often motivates Christians to make the extra effort that it takes to bring the good news to Muslims. There is an attitude in Christian circles that Muslims may be worshipping the same God as Christians so it would be better just to leave them alone. This paper argues that the god of the Quran is not the God of the Bible. The teachings of Islam hurt the lives of its followers. Islam is like a stale, moldy crust of bread. Following Jesus is like a fresh, warm loaf right out of the oven. Christians must see that what they offer Muslims is wonderful and life-giving for them. Also to awaken the Christian scholarly community to the radical differences between Islam and Christianity. Too many scholars try every possible means to demonstrate common ground between Islam and Christianity. Committed Christian scholars need to honestly present the truth about differences between the fundamental teachings of both faiths.” Ex-muslim scholar Dr. Mark A. Gabriel
Did you know in the Koran (Qu’ran) in Surah Allah is called the greatest deceiver?
The Qu’ran teaches outright that Allah is capable of lying and deceiving people. In fact, one of the titles which the Quran ascribes to Allah is khayru al-makireen, that Allah is "the best deceiver / schemer / conniver" ( Surah 3:54; 8:30).
Do you know who the father of all lies is?(John 8:44)The Bible identifies him as Satan. He has these people bound in a hopeless religion, many with hard hearts, thinking that he’s the creator, and they can earn his favor…
“And when those who disbelieve plot against thee [O Mohammed] to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah [also] plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters”(Surat Al-Anfal 8:30)
“Fight them and Allah will torture (literal translation) them by your hands, and disgrace them, help you [to victory] over them,“(Surat Al-Tawbah 9;14)
“So, when you meet (in fight—Jihad in Allah’s Cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives).”(Surah 47:4)
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious)”(Surah 9:123).
The Quran also speaks of the use of terror as a strategy of war.

[w wman uk]

However, these verses were a part of the early revelations Muhammad received regarding those who rejected Islam. Muhammad was presenting a peaceful religion at this time because Muhammad had only a few followers, and they were all vulnerable, but Islam didn’t stay weak.
The Aggressive Years. Muhammad and his followers were persecuted in Mecca, so they went to Medina. Muhammad again attempted to persuade people with words. This lasted for about a year. Then Muhammad launched a new strategy based on power. He declared jihad (holy war) with the goal of converting nonbelievers to Islam by the sword. One of his new revelations stated:
“Kill the Mushrikun [unbelieving in Allah] wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush.”(Surah 9:5).
This “verse of the sword,” as it is now known, contradicted earlier revelations such as Surah 2:256 above.
Another later revelation declared a similar judgment against Christians and Jews.
“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e., worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”(Surah 8:39).
Muhammad preached this new philosophy until his death. In one of his last sermons he declared:
”After today there will no longer be two religions existing in Arabia any more. I descended by Allah with the sword in my hand and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword. And the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted.”[hadith of Al-Bukhari]

Sounds a bit like the iman that preached in Finsbury Park UK

Mohamed was sneeky when his followers were small he preached peace when ut when they grew to many it changed this explains the locauast effect of todays extreem islam.

[w wman uk]

ocxz wrote:

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Agreed.

Well you would do wouldnt you. One fool pating the other fool on the back. You chalanged me about the problems of having an increasing persentage of muslims in a country.I postedthe following. What happens to society's as the Muslim population grows in percentage of the total?

In the book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond, he explores the topic of the impact that an increasing Muslim population has on that society. The lists below illustrate the Muslim population status of countries around the world, and exactly what changes to the societies can be expected according to Hammond.
The book as well as the author are controversial, but the topic is definitely something that needs to be explored and understood. From the book:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for
Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8

[w wman uk]

Thursday Dec 27 At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam'-- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
I wish l was wrong what is the muslim population % in reunion? Give us some facts that refute the locaust effect of islam .

Even if these figures were 50% correct there is still major concerns for the host countries of Europe.

[Doctor REALITY]

When nIran's current,delusional leader leaves office,the government and the people of Iran will welcome REAL CHANGE.

[Doctor REALITY]

The removal of Bashar Assad and Ahmad Dinehjad,or whatever his name is,will be key to bringing about the kind of CHANGE in the middle east that will make end-time Bible prophecy take shape.

[The Advocate]

MUQ wrote:

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Is there ANY OTHER community for which there is a law like Anti Semitism?
Is there ANY OTHER people to whom the Pope and Archbishop have offered any apology?
Do not Christian need to apologize to Muslims for starting the Crusade wars?
Does not USA need to apologize to people of Iraq for invading their country on false charges in 2003?
But we see a different approach from Western people when they deal with Jews and when the deal with Muslims.
How come these six million people got so much power and influence that every European country looks the "other way" when we start discussing the atrocities these Jews and committing in Palestine and elsewhere in ME?
Conspiracy is the mildest term that I can use, if I use Rough Language, I can say that they have USA and Europe by their "balls and curlies"!!

I don't think you really read the news at all:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/mar/13/c...

Mind you that this apology for the Crusades is from 13 years ago.

And you know, it's a different transition for each peoples. It especially happens after large turning points that have a specific impact. It took WW2 for people to feel remorseful about antisemitism. It took the fall of the USSR for many Westerners to realise that the vast majority of Eastern Europeans weren't evil, and hopefully a more peaceful transition will lead people to stop mass scale discrimination against Muslims and the Roma, for example.

Also, it's not healthy to believe in conspiracies as they're based on fallacious "logic." Second, why do you complain so much about racism against Muslims and find it perfectly alright to discriminate against non Muslims? It's an atrocious double standard. If anything you should be concerned about general racism instead of specific racism. You'll be at peace that way. If not, you'll up like wman uk.

[MUQ]

ocxz wrote:

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Agreed.

Thank you for your support.

[MUQ]

Advocate wrote:

I don't think you really read the news at all:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/mar/13/c ...

Mind you that this apology for the Crusades is from 13 years ago.

And you know, it's a different transition for each peoples. It especially happens after large turning points that have a specific impact. It took WW2 for people to feel remorseful about anti semitism. It took the fall of the USSR for many Westerners to realise that the vast majority of Eastern Europeans weren't evil, and hopefully a more peaceful transition will lead people to stop mass scale discrimination against Muslims and the Roma, for example.

Also, it's not healthy to believe in conspiracies as they're based on fallacious "logic." Second, why do you complain so much about racism against Muslims and find it perfectly alright to discriminate against non Muslims? It's an atrocious double standard. If anything you should be concerned about general racism instead of specific racism. You'll be at peace that way. If not, you'll up like wman uk.

Ans.

01. I did miss this news about Pope apologizing for Crusades. But what about USA apologizing to Iraqis for attacking their countries on "false charges"

02. Every one has sympathies with Jews for their suffering in Germany. But that does not mean that we condone their behaviour towards Palestinians. And by the way the slogan "Palestine belongs to Jews" was raised much before WW-1 and WW-2!!

03. And this was a strange "sympathy" shown to white nations from Warsaw pact and grant them full members of EU and leave aside Turkey the "trusted NATO partners for decades" This is a clear case of racism.

04. I do not support racism of any kind. We Muslims do not criticize or condemn any prophet of God. We do not speak bad words about religious personalities of other faith and we expect the same treatment from others for our prophet and our scriptures.

05. But we find very strong Anti Islamic bias in media where Islam and Muslims are concerned. And when we see that Jews have more than their population's share in owning media, it is not difficult to add two plus two.

06. And as the Pope has apologised for the Crusades (might be his "personal apology and not Church's), we might hear the same from US Presidents and Head of EU regarding what biased view they took of islam and Muslims.

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MUQ wrote:

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Ans.
01. I did miss this news about Pope apologizing for Crusades. But what about USA apologizing to Iraqis for attacking their countries on "false charges"
02. Every one has sympathies with Jews for their suffering in Germany. But that does not mean that we condone their behaviour towards Palestinians. And by the way the slogan "Palestine belongs to Jews" was raised much before WW-1 and WW-2!!
03. And this was a strange "sympathy" shown to white nations from Warsaw pact and grant them full members of EU and leave aside Turkey the "trusted NATO partners for decades" This is a clear case of racism.
04. I do not support racism of any kind. We Muslims do not criticize or condemn any prophet of God. We do not speak bad words about religious personalities of other faith and we expect the same treatment from others for our prophet and our scriptures.
05. But we find very strong Anti Islamic bias in media where Islam and Muslims are concerned. And when we see that Jews have more than their population's share in owning media, it is not difficult to add two plus two.
06. And as the Pope has apologised for the Crusades (might be his "personal apology and not Church's), we might hear the same from US Presidents and Head of EU regarding what biased view they took of islam and Muslims.

1) The US had a stake in seizing oil; even if the gov't feels remorseful an apology isn't forthcoming at the moment because it was all about gaining mineral wealth. They won't admit that for a while.

2) All Israelis aren't bad and it's unfair to equate them with that. Even within the IDF you cannot claim that it's the centre of evil; the same goes for organisations like Fatah. Both believe they are within their rights to do as they do. And yet you can see the good and the bad within both.

3) Turkey is in a difficult position; it can be due to racism but it is mostly attributed to its poor human rights record (odd why the EU seems to overlook this within the Balkans and central Europe) as well as its disputed location -- not quite Asia yet not quite Europe. Turkey is still part of the EBBU and can take part in the Eurozone contest (one of the weirdest things ever to be broadcasted, ever).

4/5) This is a very fallacious argument. "I'm not racist but-" is in itself a classically racist argument. The problem isn't with certain religions at all, but a fear of the unknown. Fear of Jews was later passed on to the Soviets and has now been heaped on Muslims. What close minded people fear is what they don't wish to understand. Ergo, close minded people =conservatives. Look up a list of conservatives of any nation despite their religion and background; the most bigoted will always be amongst the richest and the most conservative.

6) Fear of the Iran Hostage Crisis and 9/11 is what was taken advantage of by certain conservative gov'ts like the US and the UK to take further advantage fo the Middle East and not only take over its mineral wealth but to enact restrictive immigration policies and then moan in public about how oppressive Eastern regimes won't let their people out. They had everything to lose and gain; like I said, you are unlikely to hear and apology in your lifetime, if it took well over 1000 years for the Jews and the victims of the Inquisition and Crusades to be apologised to.

[MUQ]

Advocate wrote:

1) The US had a stake in seizing oil; even if the gov't. feels remorseful an apology isn't forthcoming at the moment because it was all about gaining mineral wealth. They won't admit that for a while.

2) All Israelis aren't bad and it's unfair to equate them with that..

3) Turkey is in a difficult position; it can be due to racism but it is mostly attributed to its poor human rights record (odd why the EU seems to overlook this

4/5) This is a very fallacious argument. "I'm not racist but always be amongst the richest and the most conservative.

6) Fear of the Iran Hostage Crisis and 9/11 is what was taken advantage of by certain conservative ..

Ans.

01. Seizing Oil? Is THAT what is behind it all? Is THAT what for 9/11 was planned and executed? I did not know that.

02. Who says ALL Isreali are bad? I am only criticizing the Ashkenazi Zionists and those who spearhead this hate filled agenda against Palestinians.

03. Human Right Record is a Trump Card using which you can shoot down any claim!! And the beauty of Human Right violation is that only works for your opponents and not on you!! They can reject Turkey, Russia, China, Japan any country based on their "poor" Human Rights record!!

04. The Nation based Democracy "needs to survive" on the fear of an Enemy. Unless you have an enemy your Democracy and not nationalism and your patriotism cannot survive.

So they always need an enemy, if there is no one existing they "invent" one. They "chose" Islam as their "next" enemy immediately after fall of USSR.

General Comment:

Your entire post is an "apology" and to justify whatever is happening.

What prevents you from calling a spade a spade. At least your conscience will be clear.

But by finding excuses after excuses would lower your moral standards also.

You should try to speak the truth and do not justify what wrongs are being done by your nation and any nation for than manner.

[MUQ]

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An American Legacy: Her Deadly Warriors-in-Chief

By Gary Brumback (contd.)



Howard Zinn wrote that the supreme test for whether any war can be just is the U.S. military involvement in WWII. He then went on to raise several questions about it. Was the U.S. involvement for the rights of nations to independence and self-determination? To save the Jews? Against racism? For democracy? No, not at all according to his review of the evidence; the U.S. involvement in WWII had no such high-minded purposes, and he concluded that “Looking at World War II in perspective, looking at the world it created and the terror that grips our century, should we not bury for all time the idea of just war?”10

Two more touchstone wars need to be tested. One is America’s first, the American Revolution. It was fought for the partial right of independence and self-determination. It was a clash between two privileged classes 3,500 miles apart. It did not save the Indians. It led to their decimation and subjugation. It certainly was not against racism. And it certainly was not for a democracy of, for, and by all the people. Had the war not been fought British control would have eventually dissipated, just as it eventually lost all of its other colonies, and an America of a less militant nature might have eventually emerged.

The second touchstone is the Civil War, the most deadly for Americans of any military interventions launched by a U.S. president. Zinn makes it clear in his book that President Lincoln provoked the attack on Fort Sumter that launched the Civil War not with the primary purpose of freeing the slaves but “to retain the enormous national territory and markets and resources.” 11 Lincoln, in other words, was an early practitioner of imperialism by deadly military means.

After reading Zinn I did not remove the image of the Washington statute of our 16th President that is displayed on my website. I like the looks of it. Before reading Zinn I had written an iconoclastic piece about President Lincoln in my book on which the site is partly based. It was in reference to the rash of states around 2002 rushing to pass laws declaring states’ rights in defiance of federal regulations. Here are some extracts of what I wrote:

What if they left the Union and formed their own—There might be two Americas and two smaller corpocracies instead of one monstrous one.—President Lincoln may have made a colossal mistake in entering the Civil War. Slavery probably would have ended peacefully without [it]—because plantation owners were beginning to realize that share croppers were economically a better option than slave holding and thus emancipation would not have been forced by the Union on slave holders. Concomitantly, racial hatred and prejudice might not persist to this day—With two Americas so divided each would not have been strong enough to do much warring around the globe. And with two Americas so divided, the corpocracy as it exists today might not exist today.12

President Lincoln, in my opinion, should have adopted the sentiment of President Thomas Jefferson who exclaimed “If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation … to a continuance in the union …. I have no hesitation in saying, Let us separate.” Most political leaders up to the Civil War agreed with that view. They thought states had the right to secede. But so much for reverse history; we can all make of it what we will.

Can America’s endless wars be ended for good?

[The Advocate]

MUQ wrote:

<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Seizing Oil? Is THAT what is behind it all? Is THAT what for 9/11 was planned and executed? I did not know that.
02. Who says ALL Isreali are bad? I am only criticizing the Ashkenazi Zionists and those who spearhead this hate filled agenda against Palestinians.
03. Human Right Record is a Trump Card using which you can shoot down any claim!! And the beauty of Human Right violation is that only works for your opponents and not on you!! They can reject Turkey, Russia, China, Japan any country based on their "poor" Human Rights record!!
04. The Nation based Democracy "needs to survive" on the fear of an Enemy. Unless you have an enemy your Democracy and not nationalism and your patriotism cannot survive.
So they always need an enemy, if there is no one existing they "invent" one. They "chose" Islam as their "next" enemy immediately after fall of USSR.
General Comment:
Your entire post is an "apology" and to justify whatever is happening.
What prevents you from calling a spade a spade. At least your conscience will be clear.
But by finding excuses after excuses would lower your moral standards also.
You should try to speak the truth and do not justify what wrongs are being done by your nation and any nation for than manner.

1) 9/11 was engineered as a response to the US's foreign policy; but even then not even a perosn you loathe deeply deserves such a fate, and even then, it has only made things worse for the Middle East.

2)It's fallacious to assume that all Eastern/Central European born Israelis are the sole ones at the heart of the matter. That, and what makes Zionism any worse than Pan - Arabism or any other form of Middle Eastern nationalism? They're all nationalism anyways.

3) Japan, however, boasts a better current record than the nations preceding it on your list.

4) Democracy doesn't survive solely due to "an enemy's fear." Democracy depends on the will of the people. It's not perfect, but hey, it's the best out here!

How are my posts in any way apologies? I don't need to stammer my way through straw manning and red herrings and constantly contradict myself -- you do that already.

[w wman uk]

True in africa and the middle east today as the day it was written

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Romeen a hundred years ago .

Come on is there anyone that can disprove this.

[MUQ]

Advocate wrote:

1) 9/11 was engineered as a response to the US's foreign policy; but even then not even a person you loathe deeply deserves such a fate, and even then, it has only made things worse for the Middle East.

2)It's fallacious to assume that all Eastern/Central European born Israelis are the sole ones at the heart of the matter. That, and what makes Zionism any worse than Pan - Arabism or any other form of Middle Eastern nationalism? They're all nationalism anyways.

3) Japan, however, boasts a better current record than the nations preceding it on your list.

4) Democracy doesn't survive solely due to "an enemy's fear." Democracy depends on the will of the people. It's not perfect, but hey, it's the best out here!

How are my posts in any way apologies? I don't need to stammer my way through straw manning and red herrings and constantly contradict myself -- you do that already.

Ans.

01. The Time will come when Most people in USA would Loath the Person whom I loath. In my view he has harmed USA in such a way that it would take more than 100 years to undo the damage.

He rightly mentioned it “another Crusade” and it would have the same “Long Lasting effect” as Crusades did. And it happened right before our eyes and in this modern age, when every facility was available to reach at the truth.

When US people could be decived by media in this age who within 15 minutes of WTC fall gave “Unanimous Judgement” that “No one but Al Qaeda can do this Job”!!

And then it was all “down hill” road from then on, can TV sets lie? How can we believe in any thing else?

Poor US people and this “Strange US Dream”!!

02. It is the Ashkenazi Jews that were behind the Zionist movement. It is they who are controlling US finances and Media and it is they who are calling shots in Isreal.

The “religious and right minded Jews” are as removed from the decision making as Popes and Bishops and Priests in Western countries!!

04. No Democracy does not survive “Only” on enemy fear, but it needs as “enemy”, real or imaginary to unify the population and take their mind away from its defects.

The essence of Democracy is that Rulers should be chosen by the consent of people, there could be many ways to take the consent of people. It is not the ways but the sprit which counts.

But the Modern Materialistic Democracy which we see practiced in Most Western countries, is uncontrolled democracy and it \results in lowering Morality and Moral values.

In this democracy, small special interest groups manipulate the views of majority.

This is the chief defect of this democracy and what we saw in 9/11, when the Govt.“Just ignored: the protest rallies in many cities and went ahead with their plans.

PS:

I call your post apologetic, because you try to “justify” the actions of your Govt. By any way, fair or foul.

If you cannot do any thing to correct situation, at least you should speak the truth and have a clear conscience.

By justifying false actions, we become a party of those wrong doers. You don’t enjoy any of the “spoils” but you share their “Guilt”?

So why not have a clear mind and conscience free from any bigotry.

[MUQ]

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An American Legacy: Her Deadly Warriors-in-Chief

By Gary Brumback (contd.)

War is not inevitable. There have been peaceful periods throughout history here and there in the world. And war can be ended, possibly forever. Doing so will require changing the personal characteristics and circumstances of our future U.S. presidents.

As for the four character flaws, they won’t change in a sitting president. They have been crystallized and hardened during his formative years. We must elect an entirely different kind of presidency, one whose characteristics are the mirror image of the four. We know when the four positive sides exist by looking at the candidate’s personal history. We give ourselves a better chance of electing a candidate having no character flaws by changing how we elect the candidates and, in the long run, by grooming them early. The way we elect presidents needs to be changed from winner-take all to an approval voting or an alternative, scored voting. Either approach leaves the Constitutional requirement of an Electoral College intact.

Besides possessing the four positive character traits, the person ought to be a female. Not just any female though. Rule out Hillary Clinton, she of the “we came, we saw, we killed” morality and wife of a man who some argue is an international war criminal. And rule out Elizabeth Warren, the brand new U.S. Senator from Massachusetts. She apparently believes Iran is a significant threat to the U.S. and is too closely allied with AIPAC, the American/Israeli lobby group reportedly just itching to get the U.S. into a war with Iran. Future candidates need to be groomed through training, mentoring, and being down-ballot candidates and office holders for progressive, non-imperialistic causes.

As for getting rid of the “badvantagious” circumstances I devoted much of my book about the corpocracy on that very goal. 13 In the book are numerous proposals for legislative, political, judicial and economic reforms. In one of the chapters I propose “waging war on war” with more than 20 major reform initiatives such as nationalizing and reorienting the defense industry, joining the International Criminal Court, and creating a dual community versus military service draft.

We cannot afford to leave President Barack Obama out of the equation notwithstanding what I said about intractable personal characteristics. He needs to be pressured daily by antiwar and peace groups to stop his drone strikes, and these same groups need to stop acting as if their existence depends more on war than on peace and to start uniting and orchestrating corporate and government reform strike forces against all members of the industrial/military/political complex.

I started this article with some doggerel. I will end it with some more:“America was born in the womb of war. Will she die in her arms?” Einstein once said that “War cannot be humanized. It can only be abolished.”I agree. Whether you do or not, my guess is that at least some wars and military interventions have been over the top for you and that you do not want anymore than I do the risk of the transgressions of our history continuing unabated and descending on our descendants in a climatic and irreversible finale.

[MUQ]

Gary Brumback, PhD is a retired psychologist and Fellow of both the American Psychological Association and the Association for Psychological Science. He is the author of The Devil’s Marriage: Break Up the Corpocracy or Leave Democracy in the Lurch.
Notes

[1] Zinn, Howard. A people's history of the United States. NY: HarperPerennial, 2005.
[2] History of US military Overt and Covert Global Interventions. July 15, 2012 by Brian Wilson. http://www.brianwillson.com/history-us-milita...
[3] Kohlberg, L. The psychology of moral development: The nature and validity of moral stages. San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1984.

[4] From Michael Sherry in his review (The American Scholar Autumn 2010) of the book Cultures of War: Pearl Harbor/Hiroshima/9-11/Iraq, by John Dower. NY: Norton, 2010.
[5] Sociopathic narcissism: A political syndrome, by William Manson, Dissident Voice, October 26, 2012.
[6] Brumback, G.B. The Devil's Marriage: Break Up the Corpocracy or Leave Democracy in the Lurch. Bloomington, IN: Author House, 2011.
]7] The Efficacy and Ethics of U.S. Counterterrorism Strategy, April 30, 2012. Transcript of remarks by John O. Brennan, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. click here
[8] An unsent letter to the President's chief counterterrorism adviser by Gary Brumback, OpEdNews.com , May 17. 2012.
[9] The Erasmus quote is from Just and unjust war www.co.quaker.org/Writings/JustAndUnjustWar by Howard Zinn
[10] Ibid.
[11] Zinn, A people's history---. Page 198.
[12] Brumback, The devil's marriage---. Page 38.
[13] Selling war as smart power by Coleen Rowley, OpEdNews.com , August 31, 2012.
[14] Brumback, The Devil's marriage---.

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MUQ wrote:

Gary Brumback, PhD is a retired psychologist and Fellow of both the American Psychological Association and the Association for Psychological Science. He is the author of The Devil’s Marriage: Break Up the Corpocracy or Leave Democracy in the Lurch.
Notes
[1] Zinn, Howard. A people's history of the United States. NY: HarperPerennial, 2005.
[2] History of US military Overt and Covert Global Interventions. July 15, 2012 by Brian Wilson. http://www.brianwillson.com/history-us-milita...
[3] Kohlberg, L. The psychology of moral development: The nature and validity of moral stages. San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1984.
[4] From Michael Sherry in his review (The American Scholar Autumn 2010) of the book Cultures of War: Pearl Harbor/Hiroshima/9-11/Iraq, by John Dower. NY: Norton, 2010.
[5] Sociopathic narcissism: A political syndrome, by William Manson, Dissident Voice, October 26, 2012.
[6] Brumback, G.B. The Devil's Marriage: Break Up the Corpocracy or Leave Democracy in the Lurch. Bloomington, IN: Author House, 2011.
]7] The Efficacy and Ethics of U.S. Counterterrorism Strategy, April 30, 2012. Transcript of remarks by John O. Brennan, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. click here
[8] An unsent letter to the President's chief counterterrorism adviser by Gary Brumback, OpEdNews.com , May 17. 2012.
[9] The Erasmus quote is from Just and unjust war www.co.quaker.org/Writings/JustAndUnjustWar by Howard Zinn
[10] Ibid.
[11] Zinn, A people's history---. Page 198.
[12] Brumback, The devil's marriage---. Page 38.
[13] Selling war as smart power by Coleen Rowley, OpEdNews.com , August 31, 2012.
[14] Brumback, The Devil's marriage---.

The admonished muq resorting to cut and paste again.

[The Advocate]

MUQ wrote:

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01. The Time will come when Most people in USA would Loath the Person whom I loath. In my view he has harmed USA in such a way that it would take more than 100 years to undo the damage.
He rightly mentioned it “another Crusade” and it would have the same “Long Lasting effect” as Crusades did. And it happened right before our eyes and in this modern age, when every facility was available to reach at the truth.
When US people could be decived by media in this age who within 15 minutes of WTC fall gave “Unanimous Judgement” that “No one but Al Qaeda can do this Job”!!
And then it was all “down hill” road from then on, can TV sets lie? How can we believe in any thing else?
Poor US people and this “Strange US Dream”!!
02. It is the Ashkenazi Jews that were behind the Zionist movement. It is they who are controlling US finances and Media and it is they who are calling shots in Isreal.
The “religious and right minded Jews” are as removed from the decision making as Popes and Bishops and Priests in Western countries!!
04. No Democracy does not survive “Only” on enemy fear, but it needs as “enemy”, real or imaginary to unify the population and take their mind away from its defects.
The essence of Democracy is that Rulers should be chosen by the consent of people, there could be many ways to take the consent of people. It is not the ways but the sprit which counts.
But the Modern Materialistic Democracy which we see practiced in Most Western countries, is uncontrolled democracy and it \results in lowering Morality and Moral values.
In this democracy, small special interest groups manipulate the views of majority.
This is the chief defect of this democracy and what we saw in 9/11, when the Govt.“Just ignored: the protest rallies in many cities and went ahead with their plans.
PS:
I call your post apologetic, because you try to “justify” the actions of your Govt. By any way, fair or foul.
If you cannot do any thing to correct situation, at least you should speak the truth and have a clear conscience.
By justifying false actions, we become a party of those wrong doers. You don’t enjoy any of the “spoils” but you share their “Guilt”?
So why not have a clear mind and conscience free from any bigotry.

You are being incredibly unclear. First you denounce racism but then spout "It is the Ashkenazi Jews that were behind the Zionist movement. It is they who are controlling US finances and Media and it is they who are calling shots in Isreal." You have no quantifiable evidence for conspiracy theories as to media control.
Democracy in of itself is not a materialistic philosophy or system of government. I cannot understand this bias you have against it when it's clear you know nothing of it and never will because you choose to live mired in the backwards thought that apparently a totalitarian, absolutist monarchy is the best kind of government, then say it isn't, and then never specify as to what you entail to be a perfect government.

Lastly, what on earth do you mean by "my" government? I daresay you have never been to Mexico and could care less for it. Honestly, things may be uneasy down here but I at least take comfort in the fact that we have at least more freedom to fight for our rights, rather than stay complacent and enforce our own misery as you choose to do in the KSA.