persians are turks and arabs

[Tony O]

Who is trying to throw another monkey wrench in ongoing saga of Iranians situation. Iran is a diverse country with all kinds of races, but they are all Iranians, they are not jews,muslems or christians,zoro asters or whatever,they are Iranians first and formost patriots.Let talk about any country,even in europe.Nazi Germany were not all what so called pure white, even after Hitler tried to seprate the races,they were mix races.Now you name any country.

[mojgan]

Tony O wrote:

Who is trying to throw another monkey wrench in ongoing saga of Iranians situation. Iran is a diverse country with all kinds of races, but they are all Iranians, they are not jews,muslems or christians,zoro asters or whatever,they are Iranians first and formost patriots.Let talk about any country,even in europe.Nazi Germany were not all what so called pure white, even after Hitler tried to seprate the races,they were mix races.Now you name any country.

my friend, op is turk, what do you expect they know anything about multicultisam and iran, except what they been feed to .

yes, what makes iran beautiful, its diversity, it alwasy been like that.

[Feindsender]

In Southwest Asia, Haplogroup G is found in approximately 13% to 15% of Iranian Persian,[12] 11.5% of Pashtun,[13] and 11% of Turkish males[3].

Haplogroup M17, also known as R1a1, has proven to be a diagnostic Indo-Iranian marker.[52] The highest R1a1 frequencies are detected in the Central Asian populations of Ishkashemi Tajiks (68%) and Pamiri Tajiks (64%), both groups being remnants of the original Eastern Iranian population of the region.[52][53] Apart from these two groups, the eastern parts of the Iranian Highlands generally reveal the highest frequency of R1a1, up to 35%, similar to Northern India,[54], while Western Iran appears to have had little genetic influence from the R1a1-carrying Indo-Iranians

Haplogroup J2 is found in the highest concentrations in the Fertile Crescent and is found throughout the Mediterranean (including Southern Europe and North Africa), the Balkan peninsula, the Caucasus, the Iranian plateau and into Central Asia[6] and South Asia. More specifically it is found in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Israel, Greece, Italy, the Balkans and the eastern coasts of the Iberian Peninsula[11], and most frequently in Lebanese 30%(Wells et al. 2001), Iraqis 29.7%(Sanchez et al. 2005), Syrians 29%, Kurds 28.4%, Iranians 24%[12], Ashkenazi Jews 24%, Palestinian Arabs 16.8%, Sephardic Jews 15.4%[2

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...

[Feindsender]

According to Cinnioglu et al,(2004)[31] there are many Y-DNA haplogroups present in Turkey. The majority haplogroups are shared with European and Near Eastern populations as E3b, G, J, I, L, N, K2, R1, which form 94.1% from the Turkish Gene pool and contrast with only a minor share of haplogroups related to Central Asia C, Q, O - 3.4%, India H, R2 - 1.5% and Africa A, E3*, E3a - 1%. Some of the percentages identified were approximately:
Y chromosome Haplogroup distribution of Turkish people[31]

* J1=9%- Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula.
* J2=24%- Typical amongst Near Eastern peoples.
* R1a=6.9%- Typical of Eastern Europeans
* I=5.3%- Typical of Central Europeans
* R1b=14.7%-Typical of Western Europeans
* G=10.9%- Typical of people from the Caucasus
* E1b1b=11.3%- Typical amongst populations of the Balkans.
* N=3.8%- Typical of Siberian populations
* T=2.5%- Typical of Mediterranean and South Asian populations
* K=4.5%- Typical of Asian populations.
* L=4.2%- Typical of Indian Subcontinent populations.
* Q=1.9%- Typical of Central Asian populations.

According to Mergen et al.,(2004) there are several mtDNA haplogroups present in Turkey. Six distinct major clusters, namely H, J, T, M, U and W were observed in the Turkish population. The cumulative frequency of European and Middle Eastern specific clusters (H, J, U, T and W) is around 90% and Asian specific cluster M was presented with rougly 10%.[32] This shows that Turkey like other populations nearby have a wide variety of haplogroups from Central Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. Many ancient migrations and historic expansions of peoples passed through the area corresponding to modern day Turkey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_origins_...

[Feindsender]

Genetics
[edit] Y-chromosome DNA

Y-Chromosome DNA Y-DNA represents the male lineage, The Iranian Y-chromosome pool may be summarized as follows where haplogroups R1, J, G, I, and NOP* comprise generally more than 90% of the total chromosomes.[24]

* R1 ~ 30%
* J ~ 30%
* I ~ 10%
* G ~ 10%
* NOP*~ 10%
* Other Haplogroups 10%

[edit] Mitochondrial DNA

Mitochondrial DNA mtDNA represents the female lineage The Iranian mitochondrial DNA shows more European lineages than the Y-DNA lineages.[25]

* Haplogroup UK ~ 30%
* Haplogroup JT ~ 25%
* Other Haplogroups ~20%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_...

[Tony O]

Bahram Goor wrote:

wow man SHIRO nice to see real Iranian kurds like yourself. During my years i've met some good kurds and sadly some other kurds who hate iran most of all.
I am a Bakhtiari myself. Do you perhaps know the name of the documentary about Aryo Barzan? i very much would like to see that.

You tlaking about the man who beat Romans.There is alot of Aryo barsans in Iran,they could be turks,bakhtiyari turks or kurds or shirazi or any Iranian.

[Nur al Din]

Phoenician Beauty wrote:

The (ARYANS) are the white race including the "Christian Iranians, Zoroastrians, and Baha'is"... Oh by the way, the Iranian-Muslims are NOT ARYANS because they are full blooded ARABS.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad looks like an ARAB-Ethiopian and he's a Muslim.

No you have your facts all wrong!!!!!!! Turks are not Arabs..

[LL Cool J]

It's embarrassing how much education some people lack. Most of the middle east was either under the control of Ottoman Turkey or Safavid Persia (beginning in the 15th century). At that point, the Ottomans and Safavids were waging wars with each other with both sides claiming a fair number of victories over the other. So the regional borders would never change to large degree. Second, why is everyone making a big deal about the arabs invading Persia one time? It was one time in their history. Persia invaded them numerous times before and ruled over them for centuries at a time. It would be more fair to say that they have some Persian blood in them. The arabs also invaded 2/3rds of Turkey (the far western half, was ruled by Greece). That's it!
Third, ethnic arabs are only those who are native to the Arabian Peninsula (i.e. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Qatar) and Yemen. Other arabic speaking people from Iraq to Morocco have their own ancestry and were only arabized linguistically (not genetically). Although there may be a small minority who do share some arab lineage. What I'm saying is that genetic testing has proven that for the most part, arabic speakers outside of the arabian peninsula are still the same as they were in ancient times. Egyptians remained as copts (though speaking arabic), Moroccans and other north africans are still berbers who have adopted arabic.

I hope this helps some of you out there.

[LL Cool J]

As for the Turks of Turkey, it is true that they speak Turkish today. But the people who now inhabit Anatolia come from a distinct ancestry. Kurds lived in Anatolia far before the Turks came from Central Asia. Most of the population was made up of largely Kurdish, Greek (ionian greeks, pontic greeks), and Armenian. Turks are a mongoloid ethnic group who traveled from a region close to Mongolia to the Anatolian peninsula. It is true that some people in Turkey do share an actual ethnic kinship with Central Asian Turks, but the majority are a mix of the original inhabitants of Turkey. This explains why many still retain brown or blonde hair with grey to green eyes. Azeris are another group of linguistically Turkified people. Recently a genealogist named Dr. Maziar Ashrafian Bonab (who is an Iranian Azeri himself) conducted a study to see whether Azeris were related to other turks and to Anatolia. His results were that the Iranian Azeris were genetically, very identical to Persians and other Iranian people. The North Azeris are more related to people of the Caucasus like the Georgians and Armenians. This kind of testing takes a long time and Dr. Maziar Ashrafian Bonab, himself proved it to be true.

[Tony O]

What are the Israelis? I mean race wise?Are they white? are they like German's from superior race?

[SHIRO]

LL COOL J

Aryo Barzan names appeares long before historian acknowledge existance of ARAB , or Turks .

Genology or DNA hard to make sense out of them, Some DNA researchers from Turkey cliamed that Azeri of Baku are related to Anatolian Turks , desingenoius language ,because Anatol is home of tens of millions Kurds, Elazig , Hemshinies , Assyrians and others.

Accepting nationalisim from culturel point of views is the safest ground to be on.

If Kurds were free to chose names for their Children ,I doubt a single one Kurd will have a Turkish name, I repeat not a single one Kurd will have a Turkish name for his child , it will be either religion name or those picked striaght from SHAHNAMEH .

[SHIRO]

Globalization will evetually homogenize all of our genes , it is a matter of time , sixty to seventy years from now all mankind will be related to each others.

[Azeri]

btw...my kurdish friend from Ankara(born Shanli Urfa) has 100% turkish name HAKAN.

[Azeri]

if someone has high forehead(more than 7.5 sm) and long face, he is genetically persian.

if someone has wide face with high cheek bones, round head, he is genetically turk.

if someone has no brain it is phoenician beauty and anti-turk.

[SHIRO]

HAkan is an arabic name , comes from Hak, or Haq ,but Turkish genoiuses do not allow Q , so Haq or Hak which mean truth or justice according to the sentence used in .
Kurdish name still Yasak ,or yasaq, or yasakh on and on . But some changes are in the Air.

[Greek godess]

i think persians,turks,afghans,arabs,, ,pakistanis,,kurdish all look kinnda alike....turks are lighter though..but i guess they all have something in common i dont know wat but their is something

[Azeri]

goddess ,you are right, all you mentioned above shared common lands last 5000 years.
even you can add here your nation greeks, Alexander himself and his warriors not only made their contribution to DNA of eurasian continent, but also have taken from others a lot.
there is not any homogeneous nation.
that is why i used "genetically"( in contrast to "culturally") in my previous posts.