A Review of US Presidentsa Policies Towards Iran

[Le Jimbo]

A Watcher wrote:

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Uh where did you make this crap up? Nice that you are posting stuff that doesn't exist.

oh, mon ami you are just too easy. You see conservatative don't live on George Soros crap or mantras, we think and read for ourselves..........oh and by the way//////////Congressman: Repeal 22nd Amendment, End President Term Limit
govtrack.us — New York's 16th Congressional District Representative, Jose Serrano, sponsored a proposed amendment to the Constitution to repeal the 22nd Amendment which currently limits how many terms a President can be in office.

[A Watcher]

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>oh, mon ami you are just too easy. You see conservatative don't live on George Soros crap or mantras, we think and read for ourselves..........oh and by the way//////////Congressman: Repeal 22nd Amendment, End President Term Limit
govtrack.us — New York's 16th Congressional District Representative, Jose Serrano, sponsored a proposed amendment to the Constitution to repeal the 22nd Amendment which currently limits how many terms a President can be in office.

Hey dumbass.

A: I don't listen to MSM, hell I don't watch TV.
B: Frank already proved your propaganda piece as hot air.

A single guy pushing a stupid thing over and over and you act like that's you "Proof"? Damn you're a dumbass.

[Le Jimbo]

A Watcher wrote:

<quoted text>Hey dumbass.
A: I don't listen to MSM, hell I don't watch TV.
B: Frank already proved your propaganda piece as hot air.
A single guy pushing a stupid thing over and over and you act like that's you "Proof"? Damn you're a dumbass.

The Ugly Face behind the Mask of Liberalism
It has been interesting watching the response to the Honduran military’s recent ousting of its nation’s president, Manuel Zelaya. Barack Obama called the action “not legal” and Hillary Clinton said that the arrest of Zelaya should be condemned.

Most interesting, perhaps, is that taking this position places them shoulder to shoulder with Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega and Venezuelan’s roaring mouse, Hugo Chavez, who is threatening military action against Honduras. Now, some would say this is an eclectic group — others would say, not so much — regardless, what has gotten them so upset?

Let’s start with what they say. They are calling the ouster a “coup” and claim that Zelaya is still Honduras’ rightful president. Some of them say we must support democracy. But they have said little, if anything, about the rule of law. And most of what they have said is wrong.

First, it doesn’t appear that Sunday’s ouster was a military coup but a law enforcement action. It is not a military strongman who sought extra-legal control, but Zelaya himself. Here is the story.

Zelaya is a leftist, a less precocious version of Chavez, sort of like the Venezuelan’s Mini-me. And, like Chavez, it’s seems that Zelaya was bent on perpetuating his rule and increasing his power in defiance of the rule of law. That is to say, the Honduran Constitution limits presidents to one four-year term, and this wasn’t quite enough to satisfy Zelaya’s ambitions. So he sought to amend the constitution, which may sound okay, except for one minor detail. Mary Anastasia O’Grady in the Wall Street Journal explains:

While Honduran law allows for a constitutional rewrite, the power to open that door does not lie with the president. A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress.

But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.///////Our President pushing left wing communist agendas and having a Secretary of State back a man that was trying to change his countrys constitution......Just like the New York congressman and Obama are doing. SHishhhhhhhhhhhhh do we have to teach you everything.

[Le Jimbo]

By the way to be fare, if the Obama fan club that tingles along with CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, NY Times, and other bankrupt newspapers would do their job and just report the news and let the people make up their minds people like me would not have to make sure the true news gets out..........

[A Watcher]

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>The Ugly Face behind the Mask of Liberalism
It has been interesting watching the response to the Honduran military’s recent ousting of its nation’s president, Manuel Zelaya. Barack Obama called the action “not legal” and Hillary Clinton said that the arrest of Zelaya should be condemned.

Well according to International law it IS illegal.

Le Jimbo wrote:

Most interesting, perhaps, is that taking this position places them shoulder to shoulder with Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega and Venezuelan’s roaring mouse, Hugo Chavez, who is threatening military action against Honduras.

Even a stopped clock is right sometimes.

Le Jimbo wrote:

Now, some would say this is an eclectic group — others would say, not so much — regardless, what has gotten them so upset?

They are seeing the 80s, that's what, you know the time when Reagan propped up every single Wingnut dictatorship in Central and South America? If it wasn't Obama they would be screaming "CIA!" at the top of their lungs.

Le Jimbo wrote:

Let’s start with what they say. They are calling the ouster a “coup” and claim that Zelaya is still Honduras’ rightful president.

Did they or did they not use military force.

Le Jimbo wrote:

Some of them say we must support democracy. But they have said little, if anything, about the rule of law. And most of what they have said is wrong.
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First, it doesn’t appear that Sunday’s ouster was a military coup but a law enforcement action.

Le Jimbo wrote:

It is not a military strongman who sought extra-legal control, but Zelaya himself.

And as you know there are ways of removing people who break the law without using soldiers to snatch them out of their house.

Le Jimbo wrote:

Here is the story.
Zelaya is a leftist, a less precocious version of Chavez, sort of like the Venezuelan’s Mini-me. And, like Chavez, it’s seems that Zelaya was bent on perpetuating his rule and increasing his power in defiance of the rule of law.

While using his current populace policies to rally the support of the people. Yes I know his scheme, I also know he failed.

Le Jimbo wrote:

That is to say, the Honduran Constitution limits presidents to one four-year term, and this wasn’t quite enough to satisfy Zelaya’s ambitions. So he sought to amend the constitution, which may sound okay, except for one minor detail. Mary Anastasia O’Grady in the Wall Street Journal explains:
While Honduran law allows for a constitutional rewrite, the power to open that door does not lie with the president. A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress.
But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.

So their impeachment process is to sic the military on the person?

Le Jimbo wrote:

Our President pushing left wing communist agendas and having a Secretary of State back a man that was trying to change his countrys constitution......

Like every country with a Constitution does? If the guy legitmately got shot down they should have just let him whine, make him a Lame duck President. Sure they would have pissed off his followers, but they pissed them off now anyway.
PS:Chavez and Castro aren't Communist, trying to state that "all of them are communists" proves you know jack about Communism.

Le Jimbo wrote:

Just like the New York congressman and Obama are doing. SHishhhhhhhhhhhhh do we have to teach you everything.

See above. Your tinfoil is on too tight.

[lightsweetcrude]

levelheaded wrote:

The Iranians will get their rights when they fight for it. The Iranians should learn a lesson from South Koreans and Filipinos. Both South Koreans and Filipinos got their rights after they fought for it.
Both my parents are Indian and Hindu; I am an evolutionist. I live in USA.
It is interesting that Iranians in South Korea have asserted their feelings against the Iranian government. It is interesting that South Korean students in the 1970's and 1980's have protested against the South Korean government. Constant protests from the youth of South Korea resulted in the democratization of South Korea. The South Koreans fought for their rights and got their rights.
In the Philippines, the Filipino people protested and finally ousted the Marcos regime in the Philippines. Again, the Filipinos fought for their rights and got their rights.
Similarly, the Iranian struggle will be done by the Iranians, not others. Iranians will get their rights when they fight for it.
I am surprised to find out that in the current Iranian electoral system, not everybody can stand for elections. That is, those candidates who get the permission of the Supreme Authority can stand for elections. That is, if you do not get the permission of the Supreme Authority, then you cannot stand for elections. The Supreme Authority vet all political candidates; and thus it curtails the right of citizens to participate in the political process. It is certainly not a democratic system. It is a rather strange and ridiculous electoral system.
As far as I know the Supreme Authority in USA is the American people. The Supreme Authority in Germany is the German people. The Supreme Authority in South Korea is the Korean people. But in Iran they have an exclusive club called the Supreme Authority; the Supreme Authority is an unaccountable body which probably could act with impunity.
Again, this is an Iranian problem. The Iranians will get their rights when the Iranians fight for it. I think that the Supreme Authority in Iran should be the Iranian people. Anyway, it is for the Iranian people to decide the future of Iran. I wish them luck.

I agree.

Interference from the US, or even aggressive rhetoric coming from the American President or official administration spokesmen will only discredit the oppostion. Any resistance groups within Iran that receives help from the CIA also discredit themselves.

However, the current so-called democracy or reform movement supporting Mousavi is quite likely being manipulated by Ayatollah Rafsanjani and Mehdi Karrubi with the intention of removing Ayatollah Khamenei as Supreme Leader and Guide, and putting in his place Rafsanjani, the wealthiest and most corrupt man in Iran.

Iran is a theocracy with a democratic facade. One day the democratic facade will assert itself and put the Ayatollahs back in the mosques and seminaries (in Rafsanjani's case, back in his bank) where they belong, but that day isn't coming any time soon.

[levelheaded]

lightsweetcrude wrote:

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I agree.
Interference from the US, or even aggressive rhetoric coming from the American President or official administration spokesmen will only discredit the oppostion. Any resistance groups within Iran that receives help from the CIA also discredit themselves.
However, the current so-called democracy or reform movement supporting Mousavi is quite likely being manipulated by Ayatollah Rafsanjani and Mehdi Karrubi with the intention of removing Ayatollah Khamenei as Supreme Leader and Guide, and putting in his place Rafsanjani, the wealthiest and most corrupt man in Iran.
Iran is a theocracy with a democratic facade. One day the democratic facade will assert itself and put the Ayatollahs back in the mosques and seminaries (in Rafsanjani's case, back in his bank) where they belong, but that day isn't coming any time soon.

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[RayOne]

Le Jimbo wrote:

By the way to be fare, if the Obama fan club that tingles along with CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, NY Times, and other bankrupt newspapers would do their job and just report the news and let the people make up their minds people like me would not have to make sure the true news gets out..........

we must cultivate our own www.persianq.com the networks and papers are an elite club.

[lightsweetcrude]

levelheaded wrote:

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Thank you for your post.

You're welcome!

[Le Jimbo]

Frank wrote:

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To be fair it's not completely made up. The same Congressman (a Democrat by the way) has been proposing this legislation for years. I admit I don't know his reasoning. It's a foolish law and I don't care. But even during the Bush administration the same legislation was proposed by the same Democrat (Jose Serrano of New York). Funny how the conservatives didn't mention the issue when it was proposed during Bush's term isn't it? Now all of a sudden it's an Obama scheme to take over the country and turn us in to the People Republic of the USA. There are lots of intelligent conservatives in the country. I read the Wall Street Journal every day. Why don't we ever hear from any of these level headed conservatives. The only people we ever hear from are right wing blowhards like Rush Limbaugh (who made a big deal out of this non story). Aren't you sick of it America? I know I am.

It wasn't mentioned because Bush did not want to be President of the World, Obama does. Challenging the constitution as he is, and all these czars that are not accountable to the people or the congressional approval is showing he is moving to take over.

[RayOne]

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>It wasn't mentioned because Bush did not want to be President of the World, Obama does. Challenging the constitution as he is, and all these czars that are not accountable to the people or the congressional approval is showing he is moving to take over.

Are things getting warm, or is it me.

[Frank]

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>It wasn't mentioned because Bush did not want to be President of the World, Obama does. Challenging the constitution as he is, and all these czars that are not accountable to the people or the congressional approval is showing he is moving to take over.

Whenever the right wing is out of power their paranoia never ceases to amaze. But you exhibit none of the same concerns about government power when you are in control. If you're so afraid of big government in Washington taking over than I'm sure you opposed illegal and warrantless wire taps, torture, secret CIA prisons and lies about WMD in order to start a war for oil. You were at the forefront in fighting these things right?

Anyway the fact that this legislation was proposed by the same congressman under the last administration clearly disproves any claims that this is part of an Obama take over of our democracy. And lets be very clear, the legislation failed before and it will fail again. Now that this lie is clearly exposed I'll be waiting for your next lie so that I can swiftly debunk it. I look forward to hearing from you.:)

[Le Jimbo]

RayOne wrote:

<quoted text>Are things getting warm, or is it me.

yep, when we spend millions to save a mouse and the same people are for killing babies, I would say we have left the mainstream world behind//////////The tiny mouse that became a hotly disputed symbol of wasteful spending in the $787 billion economic stimulus bill has returned to pester House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The Obama administration revealed last week that as much as $16.1 million from the stimulus program is going to save the San Francisco Bay Area habitat of, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.

[A Watcher]

Jimbo that's not exactly true. But then again you've already repeatedly lied through your teeth here.

[Le Jimbo]

A Watcher wrote:

Jimbo that's not exactly true. But then again you've already repeatedly lied through your teeth here.

trot out your proof.

[Le Jimbo]

by the way here is another published news story from a national source........Obama's Books Objectionable
The federal government's most secure prison has determined that two books written by President Barack Obama contain material "potentially detrimental to national security" and rejected an inmate's request to read them.

Ahmed Omar Abu Ali is serving a 30-year sentence at the federal supermax prison in Florence, Colo., for joining al-Qaida and plotting to assassinate then-President George W. Bush. Last year, Abu Ali requested two books written by Obama: "Dreams from My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope."

But prison officials, citing guidance from the FBI, determined that passages in both books contain information that could damage national security.

So if thier lies prove they are lies. It is just stories some of the liberal rags won't print for fear people will not believe Obama is God.

[A Watcher]

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>trot out your proof.

Do you accept fact checking sites? If not I'll just go and give every single tiny link, it's your choice.

[Le Jimbo]

A Watcher wrote:

<quoted text>Do you accept fact checking sites? If not I'll just go and give every single tiny link, it's your choice.

if you believed in facts you would not be for Obama, but trot out your site, as long as they are not leftist propaganda sites.