Kashmiris and Punjabis are the Lightest Skinned People of India.

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Mazo

New York, NY

#2 Apr 22, 2008
LOL......complex.

No matter how white you imagine yourself. You are still brown to real white people.
Usman Butt

Stuttgart, Germany

#3 Jun 10, 2008
Only kashmiris have light skin in india if you take the world standard. Punjabis on the other hand are not at all light skinned, an average punjabi just has a medium brown skin, Only some people in punjab have real light skin.
I give you an example, Large number of People of kashmiri descent like myself are living in pakistani central and northern punjab and average punjabis call us and pashtuns as light skin pakistanis. This is a fact. Only Pashtuns and kashmiris(koshir people) have sharp features and light skin. Punjabis also have much better feautres than ugly indians but their skin tone is generally medium brown.
Samran Rathore

Wigan, UK

#5 Jul 14, 2008
Usman your theory is wrong, and i am living proof of that.
My heritage is Butt and Dar, i am a 100% koshur kashmiri and i get mistaken for latino or sometimes mixed with black, i'm not really dark but i am pretty brown, a little too brown for an average kashmiri lol, my family always make fun of me for bein a kala kashmiri and i dont hav the nose, i have a slightly wide nose.

Trust me man, the whole theory of fair skinned and thin nosed kashmiris is a myth, we come in all forms and shapes.
Hei Lee

AOL

#6 Jul 25, 2008
i am punjabi indian, i am a medium reddish brown kindove a color, lets just say bronze ;-)
harminder

India

#7 Jul 25, 2008
the most purest breeds of punjabis are very light skinned,
baller dude

Portland, OR

#8 Jul 28, 2008
aight heres whats up. My mom is konkanni, but shes extremly light skinned for an Indian. She has freckles and is bascailly white. I mean technically u can't say shes brown skin cos the color is white. So i dunno, i don't think shes kashmiri.
Usman Butt

Stuttgart, Germany

#9 Jul 29, 2008
Samran Rathore, you have to be very dark as your Rathore ancestors settled in kashmir from india. Rathore are not indigenous to kashmir. And those kashmiris you find dark black are all of indian heritage like you. Rathores in kashmir are one of the darkest people because of their indian ancestory. Rathores and other indian settlers in kashmir are the culprits why some kashmiris are dark skined and very indian like. Original Kashmiri is a fair skin kashmiri and important thing is that fair skin kashmiris are in majority in kashmir than dark skin indian like kashmiris.
I read a book of a famous arab traveller Alberuni who travelled to kashmir some where in middle of 1000-1100 AD , when kashmir was still non muslim and you know what he wrote about us that people of this coutry(referring to kashmir) have very fair skin which is plausible because they live in such cold environment. Alberuni made same comment for Afghan(Pashtuns) but not at all about punjabis.
Samran Rathore

Wigan, UK

#10 Jul 31, 2008
Thats a whole heap of bullshit Usman.
I am not full Rathore, only a quarter Rathore, the majority (75%) of my blood is Kashmiri Pandit Dar and Butt.
All my family have fair skin, and my cousins who are full Rathores have ginger and blonde hair with really light skin and green eyes, if they are full Rathores why are they not dark?

And my cousins who are full Darr and Butt, some of them are my brown complexion, so how do you explain that ?

Your theory has no evidence, and is biased towards any Kashmiri who is not fair skinned.

You need to go research our ancestors and see for yourself that not every Koshur is really fair skinned.

U have no right to say a brown skinned Kashmiri is not really Kashmiri.
Who are you to tell anyone about Kashmiriyaat?

And i am not dark black, i am brown skinned.
Usman Butt

Stuttgart, Germany

#11 Aug 1, 2008
Whatever you say Rathores are rajputs and probably migrated to kashmir from india at some time during early or middle of second millenium. You told you have cousins who are full rathore and are fair, this may be because of recessive genes of original kashmiris in their lineage afterall they are part of kashmiri society for centuries. If a rathore kashmiri is fair that is because of recessive genes of indigenous kashmiris. The dominant genes of Rathores are indian and when you see Butt or Dar with dark skin he must have recessive genes from indian settlers like rathores or any other groups because of interaction that took place during the last hundreds of years.

I am not against the colour of anyone but I think facts should be understood to their merit.
Indigenous kashmiris cannot trace their lineages out of kashmir but Rathores and other groups of indian origins can trace their lineage back to india possibly Rajasthan, why do not you want to accept this simple fact. But off course a kashmiri Rathore has to relate to other kashmiris and not to indian groups. I too have some relatives who are kashmiri rathores.

“everything is an illusion....”

Since: Aug 07

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#12 Aug 1, 2008
this whole thing sounds irrational for me....Although genetics do determine the color of the skin, i feel that where you were born and raised also determines the color of ur skin....i can tell it from my personal experience, although i m not from kashmir but i am from the mountainous region of india called garhwal himalayas...and people here like me are fair and also 100% Indian.....my younger brother was born in mumbai, was also fair but by playing cricket for hours in sun during his childhood days, he had a darker brown skin color...and when he moved to United States last year, i can see from his photo that his skin color has changed to what it was earlier.... and when you realize that the every race - be it white, brown, yellow has its origins in the great continent of africa then u can see my point... :)

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#13 Aug 1, 2008
and well i am rajput as well but indian first... :)

Since: Jul 08

Freiburg, Germany

#14 Aug 1, 2008
Hahaha Aryan Invasion theory!! I find it funny ; actually the father of this theory comes from my country Max Müller!

He came with a motive to convert India into christian. He brought in this theory. In Germany scholars donot agree with "Aryan" or "Arische" it was a lies spread by a motivated missionary and later aggressively pursued by a mad man from Austria( Hitler). Lately all psychos are turning out to originate from Austria!
LuvMyKitties

Steubenville, OH

#15 Aug 1, 2008
Does any of this actually matter?? The racism among Indians is really quite sad.

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#16 Aug 1, 2008
LuvMyKitties wrote:
Does any of this actually matter?? The racism among Indians is really quite sad.
tell me where doesnt racism exist?
LuvMyKitties

Steubenville, OH

#17 Aug 1, 2008
indian funda wrote:
<quoted text>tell me where doesnt racism exist?
It exists everywhere but it's really worse in India, from what I can tell. You have people from North India that hate sikhs, people hate muslims, people hate gujratis, punjabis, madrasis, and my goodness it goes on and on. I know it goes on everywhere, but it's really deep there. It's just sad, I'm not dissing India I just think with all the problems you guys had with battling England, and now finally you ahve independence you shouldn't be so critical of each other. WEren't you all in the same boat?

“everything is an illusion....”

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#18 Aug 1, 2008
Irwin wrote:
Hahaha Aryan Invasion theory!! I find it funny ; actually the father of this theory comes from my country Max Müller!
He came with a motive to convert India into christian. He brought in this theory. In Germany scholars donot agree with "Aryan" or "Arische" it was a lies spread by a motivated missionary and later aggressively pursued by a mad man from Austria( Hitler). Lately all psychos are turning out to originate from Austria!
yep i also read about the aryan theory by max muller and i dont think i agree with his viewpoints...hitler just used this theory as an tool to commit horrible crimes against humanity....(holocaust)
Nisha

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Aug 1, 2008
LuvMyKitties wrote:
<quoted text>
It exists everywhere but it's really worse in India, from what I can tell. You have people from North India that hate sikhs, people hate muslims, people hate gujratis, punjabis, madrasis, and my goodness it goes on and on. I know it goes on everywhere, but it's really deep there. It's just sad, I'm not dissing India I just think with all the problems you guys had with battling England, and now finally you ahve independence you shouldn't be so critical of each other. WEren't you all in the same boat?
It's the same as what's going on between Palestine & Isreal for example right? When ppl of different religions live in the same area or close together there are gonna be tensions especially along the border regions. It's not as bad in South India. We dont hate other South Indians or North Indians for that matter. There might be a bit of anti-Pakistani feeling with Indians in general, some ppl feel stronger about it than others.

It depends on how you're raised too, if you're raised around ppl who constantly say bad things about another country/religion/culture, you start automatically getting that ingrained in your head & it's hard to change the older you grow. We were raised not to hate anyone though most Indian ppl have a bad impression of black ppl & Muslims especially. My parents are very traditional but even my friends who have liberal parents will say their parents said they can date whoever they want but no blacks & no Muslims.
LuvMyKitties

Steubenville, OH

#20 Aug 1, 2008
Nisha wrote:
<quoted text>
It's the same as what's going on between Palestine & Isreal for example right? When ppl of different religions live in the same area or close together there are gonna be tensions especially along the border regions. It's not as bad in South India. We dont hate other South Indians or North Indians for that matter. There might be a bit of anti-Pakistani feeling with Indians in general, some ppl feel stronger about it than others.
It depends on how you're raised too, if you're raised around ppl who constantly say bad things about another country/religion/culture, you start automatically getting that ingrained in your head & it's hard to change the older you grow. We were raised not to hate anyone though most Indian ppl have a bad impression of black ppl & Muslims especially. My parents are very traditional but even my friends who have liberal parents will say their parents said they can date whoever they want but no blacks & no Muslims.
Yeah your first point is totally true- kinda like us with Canada lol. But like, until I dated an Indian I never even realized there could be so much hatred between one country, and one nationality. I think the caste system kind of messes it up by making one caste feel superior to another, and animosity towards others. But yeah you do have good points.
Samran Rathore

Glasgow, UK

#21 Aug 1, 2008
Usman Butt wrote:
Whatever you say Rathores are rajputs and probably migrated to kashmir from india at some time during early or middle of second millenium. You told you have cousins who are full rathore and are fair, this may be because of recessive genes of original kashmiris in their lineage afterall they are part of kashmiri society for centuries. If a rathore kashmiri is fair that is because of recessive genes of indigenous kashmiris. The dominant genes of Rathores are indian and when you see Butt or Dar with dark skin he must have recessive genes from indian settlers like rathores or any other groups because of interaction that took place during the last hundreds of years.
I am not against the colour of anyone but I think facts should be understood to their merit.
Indigenous kashmiris cannot trace their lineages out of kashmir but Rathores and other groups of indian origins can trace their lineage back to india possibly Rajasthan, why do not you want to accept this simple fact. But off course a kashmiri Rathore has to relate to other kashmiris and not to indian groups. I too have some relatives who are kashmiri rathores.
I do accept that Rathores came from Rajahstan, i never denied that, but my disagreement with you is on the issue of skin color.
You seem to think that any 100% koshur must have non ekoshur blood in him if he is darker, thats not true.

Even indeginous Kashmiris are mixed with many races as we are based closer to central asia.
From all the interbreeding that has existed on the Indian Subcontinent in the last thousands of years, even you, no matter how fair you are, can say you hace 100% Kashmiri blood in you, maybe you had non indeginous family members too, just cuz ur surname is Butt does not cover that fact.

When i was younger i was really fair then my skin turned browner, it is not even dat sunny here in UK, so its not the sun, its jus gods will and it suits me, with my features if i had fair skin i would look weird.

My final point is, no matter how fair you are, you can never be sure you are more kashmiri than brown skinned kashmiris.

My surname shows i have Rathore blood in me, even though its only 25%, but it is not the reason i am brown skinned, even full Rajputs are really fair

Since: Jul 08

Freiburg, Germany

#22 Aug 2, 2008
indian funda wrote:
<quoted text>yep i also read about the aryan theory by max muller and i dont think i agree with his viewpoints...hitler just used this theory as an tool to commit horrible crimes against humanity....(holocaust)
you knw, we are still paying a price for it, the price of guilt!
One man lead this country into total destruction, lead our country into hatred. And we will be hated for years together.No matter how many steps we may take to stop another hitler to emerge from.But, we will be hated!

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