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Here is some real science for you guys.
Mario Alinei,... Professor Emeritus at the University of Utrecht
Etrusco: una forma arcaica di ungherese, 2003, Il Mulino. The Etruscan language as an archaic form of Hungarian.
hey, i read all your post and as a half hungarian i can say:
first in western sirbia, ugric(finnish) and turkic(huns) people mixed and hungarians been. then they gone to volga,(Magna Hungaria) and they also mixed with On-Ogurs (Type of Uighur Turks / Bulgarians) so hun + onogur = hungar so that is the main word thats why english people call them hungarian but by time. hungarianss mixed with everyone slavs, jews, pechenegs, germans, austrians
today you can't find 100% hungarian. thanks for reading!
Many languages have mixures , loan words etc. However, we are talking about relation of languages. I think that Hungarian, Finnish, Mongolian and Turkish has much more similarities and not just from loan words or because of occupation. This doesnot mean that these languages are the same, or derive straight from the same origin.
another BS post from gypsy romanian
romanianization of Serbs Hungarians and Ukraine
Timok valley is NOT romanian
there is no 250.000 romanian gypsy community in Timok valley
romanian gypsy population in entire Serbia is only 34.576
Mansi people were related to uralic-altaic and therefore they are related to turkmongol.
For once it's the Serbs and Saudis that are embarrassingly belligerent and nationalistic. Thank you for making Americans look just as smart as the Finns, Swedes, and Danes here.
Do you think there are any cognates between Hungarian and Japanese? It would make sense to regard Mongol as an intermediary, but it hasn't helped.
I used to have a (small) list, but one I can remember off the top of my head is Hungarian [i]dacára[/i](despite) and Japanese だか&# 12425;/dakara (therefore). Of course I understand they are opposite in meaning, but in the context of abstracted paleolinguistic concepts, I think they are very closely related.
Aaalreeaady proven that Xiongnu /Hunnu by Mongolian/ were Mongolians by many archeologists and scientiest in Mongolia and central asia. Xiongnu have broken into two parts in 1AD. So Southern Xiongnu moved to Europe. They are Ancestors of Modern Hungarians.
BTW, Many scientists established `Xiongnu is pure Mongolians` at international meeting about Xiongnu in Mongolia, last year.
You are absolutely right... only you said Sirbia when you really meant Siberia. Thats as if you said AUSTRALOhungarian empire ibstead of AUSTROhungarian empire the words are similar but the meanings are completely different...
It is also true that the Hungarians of today look European.But their
roots are Mongolic.
From Britannica :(Languages of the world)
"Racially the Uralic people present an unhomogeneous picture.In
they may be considered
a bland of Europeans and Mongoloid types,with the more western
groups(especially the Hungarians,Baltic-Finnic and Erzya Mardvin
being strongly European and those of the Urals primarily Mongoloid".
From " De Administrado Imperio"by Constantine Porphyrogenitus
"These eight clans of the TURKS(Hungarians) do not obey their own
have for their first chief the prince who comes by succession of
From The Hungarian Chronicle(1095AD):
"We (Hungarians) are descendants of the great Huns of Attila".
From "The Mongols" By Jeremiah Curtin
"Five groups of Mongols have made themselves famous in Europe:The
with their mighty chief Attila,the Magyars,The Turks or Osmanli,the
invaders of Russia..."
From "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" By Edward Gibbon.
"The(Hungarians) are distinguished by the Greeks under the proper and
peculiar name of Turks,
as descendants of that people who had conquered and reigned form China
the Volga (referring to the Mongols)".
From "The Cambridge Medieval History" edited by J.H.Hussey.
"The form ovyypoi,from which are derived the various names current to
day among the people of Europe(Old Church Slavonic,UGRI;
Russian,VENGRI;German,UNGARN;E nglish,HUNGARIANS;French,HONGR OIS;Italian,UN
GHERESI,and so on)comes from the Turkic ethnic name ONOGUR meaning
From "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler.
"We also hear of a fearful encounter which St.Cyril,the Apostle of
Slav,had with a Magyar horde in 860,on his way to Khazaria.He was
his prayers when they rushed at him luporum more ululantes-HOWLING IN
MANNER OF WOLVES".
From "Britannica"(Languag es of the world).
"Recent study indicates that it is posible to speak of a Uralic
type,an intermediate stage between the European and the Mongoloid,the
basic features of which are medium-dark to dark hair and eye
colour,relatively small stature and often a concave bridge of the
(Hungary is part of Uralic racial type).
From "Britanica" Hungarian.
"The proto-Hungarians were apparently an ethnic blend of
and Turkish peoples living in western Siberia...The Hungarians were
scourge of Europe,raiding as far afield as Bremen,Orleans and
Constantinople(the English word OGRE-a men eating man,hideous cruel
a corruption of HUNGAR,attests to their notoriety).
From "1000 years of Hungary" By Emil Lengyel.
"(Hungarian) Folklore speaks about NIMROD the giant,who had two
and HAGAR.The former was the ancestor of the HUNS,and MAGOR was the
ancestor of the MAGYARS."
"The experience the Magyars left with the Western world was so
that even generations later people form the West saw the Hungarians
apocalyptic monsters. Bishop Otto of Freysing spoke of the exterior of
Hungarians as ‘ferocious' at the time of the Crusades :(Their eyes
sunken,their stature is short,their behavior wild,their language
barbarous,so that one can either accuse fate or marvel at divine
for having permitted these monsters the possession of an enchanting
From "History of Hungary" By Denis Sinor
"Though, geographically speaking, of European origin, the Hungarians
settled in the Danube valley were,spiritually and materially,
and belonged to the great Central Euroasiatic cultural family whose
members lived dispersed form the Danube to China, from Persia and
the Arctic. The Hungarian bows and arrows...were of exactly the same
See Hungarian turanism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Turani...
Turanism is not supported by academic historians linguistics scholars.
Serbians Romanians are typical balkan (gypsy-look) nation.Their average dark pigmentation(hair & eye color see anthropology maps about colors: Type in google image searcher: "eye color map" or type "hair color map") and their laughable culture with primitive anti-western semi-asian orthodox civilisation. And read population genetics: balkan people contins higher ratio of non-european genetic haplogroup markers than Hungarians. Vast majority of the population of Balkan (exept Greeks Croats) lived shepherd nomadic lifestyle until the early modern era. It is a shame for Europe. Did you know that Serb identity has strong übermensch theory from the early modern ages?Type in google: "Heavenly Serbia" :)the choosen nation of God :)
Since: Aug 12
1981 Catell culture fair IQ test.
108.3 IQ for Poland
105.7 IQ for Yugoslavia
100.4 IQ for CzechSlovakia
96.1 IQ for France
" Serbs are noble & cultured"???? are you sure you are talking about Serbs ?????
It looks like the Gypsies were enslaved in Romania
And all the others inclusiv Hungary assimilated them
"The Gypsies of Eastern Europe edited by David Crowe and John Kolsti"
"In the long course of the Gypsy experience in Eastern Europe, none has been
worse than that in Romania.Within several centuries after Gypsies entered
the medieval provinces of Wallachia and Moldavia, they began to be enslaved,
a condition that lasted until the mid nineteenth century. Although slavery
was not a condition peculiar to Gypsies or the Balkans at the time, the
deepseated, dehumanizing prejudice that has characterized the historic
Romanian relationship with Gypsies produced a socioeconomic caste system
that resulted in the "social death" of Gypsies as Romanian slaves....
Wallachia under the Grand Voivode and Prince, Basarab (1317-1352), and
Moldavia under Prince Bogdan (Bogdan Voevoda Moldaviensis) began to emerge
as autonomous political entities through wars of independence. Severel years
later, Wallachian records indicate that Prince Vladislav Vlaicu (1364-1377)
gave forty Gypsy families and land to the new Monastery at Vodita. Over the
next century, Gypsy slavery became institutionalized in the Romanian
Provinces, and abundant historical records document the Gypsys' plight. The
most significant factor affecting the enslavement of Gypsies at this time
was warfare. In the aftermath of his campaigns against the Ottoman Empire in
"Mansi people are russians. Jews speak Yiddish language so does that mean they are germans?"
Not necessarily, the leaders were those from Asia Minor and Balkans
You Hungarians were the women and those worriers from Asia Minor and Balkans took them as wives
Result?...You speak the language of the Woman not of the so called Hungarian warriors
Ask Adolf Hitler
Well that's a Hungarian point of view (Unimportant)
Since we got real authorities in this matter
Check it out friend European:
POPE CLEMENT VI (1342-1352).
"Olachi Romani,commorantes in partibus ngariae,Transilvanis,Ultralpin is et Sirmus" (In Hungary,Transilvania,Muntenia and Sirmia live the Roman-Vlachs) or "Tam nobilibus quam popularibus Olachis Romanis" SUMMARY: Romanians = Romans (Vlachs).
POPE PIUS II (1458-1464)
(Commentarium rerum memorabilium) "VALACHI lingua utuntur Italica, verum imperfecta, et admodum corrupta; sunt qui legiones Romanas eo missas olim censeant dversus Dacos, qui eas terras incolebant; legionibus Flaccum quendam praefuisse, a que Flacci primum,deinde Valachi, mutatis litteris, sint appellati;quorum posteri (ut ante relatum est) " SUMMARY:(The Vlachs are a people of Roman origin,born from an antic Roman Imperial colony,speaking a language close to Latin or Italian)
NICOLAUS MACHINENSIS, episcop of Modrussa ( DALMATIA)
"Inferiora vero quaecumque Ister Boristenesque intercipt usque ad Ponti ripas Valacchi obtinent, romani quondam vel exules vel milites, a duce Flacco ita cognominati, nunc immutatione litterae Vlacchi appellati: quo vocabulo non modo ea gens sed omnes quoque finitimae nationes hodie Italos nominant. Valacchi originis suae illud praecipuum prae se ferunt argumentum quod, quamvis Mysorum lingua quae illyrica est omnes utantur, vernaculo tamen sermone, hoc est latino haud prorsus obsoleto ab incunabulis loquuntur; et cum ignotis congressi, dum linguae explorant comertium, an ROMANAE loqui norint interrogant". SUMMARY:( Romanians/Vlachs = Romans)
Janus Pannonius,Hungarian Humanist/Poet (1434-1472)
"Sarmatici montes et vos septemplici Istri Caerulea Euxinio cornua mixta Mari, Ac tu Romanis olim possessa colonis Sed iam corrupto, barbara rerra, sono Quid dominum lentis longe retinetis in armis?" Summary:(Romanians/Vlachs = Romans)
Alessandro Cortesi (1469-1491), Poet.
"An procul expusos Nomadas, serasque luentes Pastores rupto Siculos pro foedere poenas? Trinacriae Siculos quondam, Schythiaeque colonos, Fortia magnanimos praebentes colla Valachos, Qui referunt prisca Roamanam ab origine gentem?" Summary:(ROMANIANS/VLACHS = ROMANS)
POPE Innocent III (in a latter from 1203).
"Therefore, we, who have been appointed by the will of GOD and Father, unworthy as we are, as vicars and successors of the Apostolic See, to prove by the force of facts our fatherly love for the Church of the Bulgarians and ROMANIANS (VLACHS),who are said to be THE DESCENDENTS OF THE ROMANS, by their flesh and blood"
POPE Innocent III (in a letter addressed to IONITA, lord of the Bulgarians and Romanians,from 1203)
"Thus, taking this into account, we have decided since long, through our envoy or our letters, that we should pay a visit to your lordship, so that,realizing your faith to the Roman Church,Your Mother, we might then send to you,WHO SAY THAT YOU ARE A DESCENDENT OF THE NOBLE KIN OF THE ROMANS...As, he (God the Father) will help you to be a ROMAN in this wordily life and for your Eternal Salvation by your own striving, the same as you are BY YOUR DESCENT; and he shall help the people of your country, which say that they are the OMANS,blood and flesh".
Enea Silvio Piccolomini, "Cosmography" 1501.
"Transilvania...,it is inhabited by three peoples: the Saxons, the Szecklers and the ROMANIANS. The Saxons had come from Saxony,and are strong men,used to the struggle... The Szecklers are considered the most ancient Hungarians...,The ROMANIANS are of Italian stock..., A colony of the ROMANS was settled there (Dacia) to keep a tight rein over Dacians
Here is the answer, Hungarians are descended from mongols. I know, I am hungarian myself, and did the research. The Mongols were originally an EAST asian nomadic tribe (before Genghis khan) and they were not located anywhere near where they are now. The reason they are there is because after the Mongol empire they got pushed back to that spot. They were really just nomadic bararians and Hungary was really just an area where lots of barbarians gathered, so I'm sure it was a good a place as any. The turkish thing is because they have had a shaky relationship with Hungarians with them attacking each other so I'm sure somehow interbreeding worked that in there.
Hello from Mongolia. I`m sorry i don`t think you are real Hungarian. We weren`t only east asians in ancient time /and before great khaan/! We were east, north, central asians. Now, Outer Mongolians are only central asians! Inner Mongolian land located in east asia.
So the Romans were Gypsies?
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