Why is Haiti not diverse like DR?

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curious george

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Dec 10, 2009
 
Well, I know it may sound like a stupid question but I always wondered why Haiti is majority black with hardly any other races or diversity while next door neighbor, Dominican Republic, is more mixed (mulatto, mestizo, etc.) with a considerate amount of whites(the second largest in the caribbean after Cuba).

The reason it's so strange to me is because both countries are practically a stone's throw away from one another and yet they don't share the same demographics! How is that possible? I'm sure it's due to historical reasons but I'm neither haitian nor dominican so I wouldn't exactly know why this is the case.(which is why i'm here to have everyone's take and valuable information.)
Britanik

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Dec 10, 2009
 
Just 2 historical moments:
1803: Haiti gets independance from France and braces for return of french (or any other white race) first constitution makes it hard for white people to get Haitian citizenship whereas anyone with african ancestry is de-facto considered citizen of Haiti.
1930's to 1960's : Rafael Leonidas Trujillo will carry in the Dominican Republic what is known as the "Whitening politicy"
1. For nearly 30 years 2 people (dominican citizens) if both are blacks are not given authorization to marry each other;
2. During the same period asylum and advantages are granted to (non-black only)migrants from Spain running from Franco, Italy (running from Mussolini), even from Japan etc...
3. To accomodate these new arrivals Trujillo will execute (massacre) thousands of blacks claiming they were haitian that invaded his country, when in fact most of them were black dominicans from whom he seized their lands to give to the new migrants.
4. Should you doubt the power of Trujillo, let me tell you every baby borned under his regime has in his birth cerficate one of Trujillo names (Either Rafael, Leonidas, Trujillo or Molina (his mother's name beleived to be of Haitian descent).
Results: Very diversified country and very homogenous country due to Xenophobia (fear of foreingners) inherited from slavery.
Maryse Roumain

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Dec 11, 2009
 
I have a text on diversity published in my last book entitled Life Goes On...A Reflective Diary (available on www.Amazon.com ). I am posting it as a comment since it shows that, in addition to historical reasons, why diversity is much more difficult to achieve in a black majority country like Haiti:

Why Diversity?

Diversity is inclusive not exclusive
Diversity reflects the way things and people are in the real world
Diversity implies the acceptance of those who disagree
Diversity signifies a non Manichean view of the world
Diversity implies the respect for differences
Diversity means non-sectarian, non-fanatic and the search for harmony and peace
The respect for diversity is not synonymous with the abandonment of one's own principles, beliefs and opinions
The respect for diversity deos not need a perpetual need for consensus but acknowledges the desire for continued interlocution and dialogue
The respect for diversity does not mean all ideas are equal
Diversity is synonymous with the search for balance and equilibrium; it is the oppositve of extremism and caricature.
Haitian In Denial

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Dec 13, 2009
 

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Haitians like african countries after decolonization, killed all the white, or all the people who knew how to run a country... You can't expect SLAVEs to manage an economy much less to build a sound democracy... They are merely a big african tribe in the americas... An extention of African with no hope and no future... Look at their future GDP prediction for 2014, it is barely a few dollars from what it is today...
Haitian In Denial

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Dec 13, 2009
 
Britanik wrote:
Just 2 historical moments:
1803: Haiti gets independance from France and braces for return of french (or any other white race) first constitution makes it hard for white people to get Haitian citizenship whereas anyone with african ancestry is de-facto considered citizen of Haiti.
1930's to 1960's : Rafael Leonidas Trujillo will carry in the Dominican Republic what is known as the "Whitening politicy"
1. For nearly 30 years 2 people (dominican citizens) if both are blacks are not given authorization to marry each other;
2. During the same period asylum and advantages are granted to (non-black only)migrants from Spain running from Franco, Italy (running from Mussolini), even from Japan etc...
3. To accomodate these new arrivals Trujillo will execute (massacre) thousands of blacks claiming they were haitian that invaded his country, when in fact most of them were black dominicans from whom he seized their lands to give to the new migrants.
4. Should you doubt the power of Trujillo, let me tell you every baby borned under his regime has in his birth cerficate one of Trujillo names (Either Rafael, Leonidas, Trujillo or Molina (his mother's name beleived to be of Haitian descent).
Results: Very diversified country and very homogenous country due to Xenophobia (fear of foreingners) inherited from slavery.
You forgot to mention that DR is also alot blacker than what it should be because we have millions of Haitian descent... When the Haitians invaded they brough a population with them... Spain never put so many slaves in the island... Also the Haitian invasion was so brutal that many white domincans left for PR or Cuba or Venezuela... you're a typical haitian who always protray yourselves as suffering people but yet you don't tell about your atrocities...
DominicanA

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Dec 16, 2009
 
Dominican rep is so diverse due to the all the backgrounds we have, Spain rule the espanola more than 200 years, our founder father Juan Pablo Duarte Was the son of spaniards merchants. and like them a lot regular people from spain lived in DR for many many many years... Now we have people from all over chinese, japaneses, arabics, argentinians, cubans, chileans, peruvians, etc.. and also a lot of of Haitians, all these haitians are invading DR and having kids over there like rabbits, cause they think they are going to be dominicans, but the law in DR says that u dont get the dominican citizenship by birth, but by blood.
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Dec 17, 2009
 
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Dec 17, 2009
 
DominicanA wrote:
Dominican rep is so diverse due to the all the backgrounds we have, Spain rule the espanola more than 200 years, our founder father Juan Pablo Duarte Was the son of spaniards merchants. and like them a lot regular people from spain lived in DR for many many many years... Now we have people from all over chinese, japaneses, arabics, argentinians, cubans, chileans, peruvians, etc.. and also a lot of of Haitians, all these haitians are invading DR and having kids over there like rabbits, cause they think they are going to be dominicans, but the law in DR says that u dont get the dominican citizenship by birth, but by blood.
Go read your laws, the reality is that DR law gives citizrenship on the basis of recognition by the father only. Childrens borned of Dominican Mother and foreing father can not get DR citizenship.
dominicanshateth emselves

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Dec 17, 2009
 
Haitian In Denial wrote:
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You forgot to mention that DR is also alot blacker than what it should be because we have millions of Haitian descent... When the Haitians invaded they brough a population with them... Spain never put so many slaves in the island... Also the Haitian invasion was so brutal that many white domincans left for PR or Cuba or Venezuela... you're a typical haitian who always protray yourselves as suffering people but yet you don't tell about your atrocities...
I do not understand why would Spain would have left behing his Whiteys. A good mother would have never leave behing her children. I am not quite sure why they did not come back to get you when the Haitians invaded you or to your rescue.( maybe they were never her children). It is pure Sadness.
DominicanA

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Dec 18, 2009
 
dominicanshatethemselves wrote:
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I do not understand why would Spain would have left behing his Whiteys. A good mother would have never leave behing her children. I am not quite sure why they did not come back to get you when the Haitians invaded you or to your rescue.( maybe they were never her children). It is pure Sadness.
OH MY GOD they dont teach u history in HAITI? lol go read some books idiot...
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Dec 18, 2009
 
DominicanA wrote:
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OH MY GOD they dont teach u history in HAITI? lol go read some books idiot...
you are such a sad thing
DominicanA

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Dec 18, 2009
 
dominicanshatethemselves wrote:
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you are such a sad thing
and u are such a ignorant human piece of crap.
dominicanshateth emselves

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Dec 19, 2009
 
DominicanA wrote:
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and u are such a ignorant human piece of crap.
So tell me DominicanA, you go to Spain without a visa. Because mothers don't forget about their children, right? Unh, clear me on that, I am being personal here. You are the Ignorant cause you are the one that comes on Haitans forums and talk shiet.
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Dec 19, 2009
 
dominicanshatethemselves wrote:
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So tell me DominicanA, you go to Spain without a visa. Because mothers don't forget about their children, right? Unh, clear me on that, I am being personal here. You are the Ignorant cause you are the one that comes on Haitans forums and talk shiet.


jajajaja just like haitians go to dominicans forums sucker, and if u didnt notice the title of the post is about DR so, i saw it and gave my point of view about the subject, u dont like deal with it or just ignored me.. do u know about freedom of speech, information!! or internet so get over it.. and yes i can go to spain without a visa loser. Did u know that SPAIN is giving spaniard citizenship to every dominican descent of spaniard? of course if u can prove u are granchild or grand grand child or son of spaniard ..
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Dec 19, 2009
 
DominicanA wrote:
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jajajaja just like haitians go to dominicans forums sucker, and if u didnt notice the title of the post is about DR so, i saw it and gave my point of view about the subject, u dont like deal with it or just ignored me.. do u know about freedom of speech, information!! or internet so get over it.. and yes i can go to spain without a visa loser. Did u know that SPAIN is giving spaniard citizenship to every dominican descent of spaniard? of course if u can prove u are granchild or grand grand child or son of spaniard ..
Well good luck whiteys in Spain. I will see you there, SUCKER. I travel to Europe and Africa all the time, so you will still see the Haitians communities there in your face. We are every where on earth. You can not get rid of Haitians. I am all for freedom, respect, and peace. But you are the one who knows nothing about them. You brought up dysfunctional matters about Haitians on the forums. You dislike Haitians so I want you to go away not come back here so we can have a chance to discuss important matters. I understand that Haiti has its problems but you DominicanA and some of your compatriots refuse to let us be. Try to figure out your problems because Haitians are not your problems.
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Dec 19, 2009
 
DominicanA wrote:
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jajajaja just like haitians go to dominicans forums sucker, and if u didnt notice the title of the post is about DR so, i saw it and gave my point of view about the subject, u dont like deal with it or just ignored me.. do u know about freedom of speech, information!! or internet so get over it.. and yes i can go to spain without a visa loser. Did u know that SPAIN is giving spaniard citizenship to every dominican descent of spaniard? of course if u can prove u are granchild or grand grand child or son of spaniard ..
You have the right to come here but if you have nothing instructive to say; say nothing at all.
DominicanA

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Dec 20, 2009
 
Well, until more than 2 million illegals of ur people stay in my country they are going to be my problem
DominicanA

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Dec 20, 2009
 
I dont care if they go to somewhere else i just dont want them in my beloved Quisqueya.
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Dec 20, 2009
 
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I dont care if they go to somewhere else i just dont want them in my beloved Quisqueya.
Quisqueya does not mean DR, it means the whole Island of Hispagnola or Haiti FYI. I personnaly will not go visit a such ungrateful country where most of you still do not know how to treat people. This is 2009 almost 2010 so I hope you become civilized next year. Peace loser.
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Dec 20, 2009
 
dominicanshatethemselves wrote:
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Quisqueya does not mean DR, it means the whole Island of Hispagnola or Haiti FYI. I personnaly will not go visit a such ungrateful country where most of you still do not know how to treat people. This is 2009 almost 2010 so I hope you become civilized next year. Peace loser.
Ungrateful country? The DR? How dare you. Ungrateful are your people. Dominicans are the ones who feed Haitians. You ungrateful brat, how about you wake up from your fantasy. Haitians in their majority are not contributing to dominican prosperity. On the contrary they are bringing us down with their extra povery, illiteracy, disease ridden people invading us. We give haitians the hope to survive. Its no wonder why they continue coming to DR!! Have you asked yourself why Haitians continue running to live in DR despite claims of racism? Its because its better than living in Haiti. We alow you to be in our country and yet you people continue defaming us with the excuse of racism. IT IS THE HAITIANS WHO ARE UNGRATEFUL. And yes don't ever come to our country, we have enough haitians already.

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