Northern Epirus: Autonomous Region

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albanians are TURKS lol

Canada

#1 Aug 25, 2012
http://www.google.ca/url...

Northern Epirus is home to 250,000 Hellenes whose human rights have been abused by the Albanian government for over 80 years. The Albanian government has refused to acknowledge it's obligations under the Corfu Protocol of 1914 which grants Albania's Greek minority of Norther Epirus AUTONOMY. This situation has to be corrected immediately and all articles of that protocol be implemented until such time as a referendum for the union of Northern Epirus with Greece can be held.
albanians are TURKS lol

Canada

#2 Aug 25, 2012
its greek lands not alvanian turks...
somebody

Boston, MA

#3 Aug 25, 2012
albanians are TURKS lol wrote:
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t &rct=j&q=&esrc=s &frm=1&source=web& cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQ FjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. hellas.org%2Fnepirus%2F&ei =5lE5UOHqEOr7yAHj8ICoAQ&us g=AFQjCNGPOapIYqODrQ1jC9Juu4WO TfviLQ
Northern Epirus is home to 250,000 Hellenes whose human rights have been abused by the Albanian government for over 80 years. The Albanian government has refused to acknowledge it's obligations under the Corfu Protocol of 1914 which grants Albania's Greek minority of Norther Epirus AUTONOMY. This situation has to be corrected immediately and all articles of that protocol be implemented until such time as a referendum for the union of Northern Epirus with Greece can be held.
Ancestors of “Greek minority” today, were farmers and shepherds Vlachs (çobej) coming from the mountains of Pindos, to work as servants for the Albanian owners the southern areas. The area they come from the Middle Ages and during the new was called "small Wallachia" (For more information, read "History of the Balkans" by George Kastelani)

And mountains of Pindos were part of the Albanian vilayets, and are taken from Greece, after 87 years after winning independence.

Aromanian or vlachs who lost their language Aromanian, were assimilated by the Greek Orthodox church, and Greek schools that were opened in all the Albanian vilayets, when Greece won the independence of the Turk. With the permission of Turkey, Greece asked that everywhere, where there were people who belonged to the Orthodox faith, despite that these were not Greek, learn Greek language.
Those are so-called Greek minority?

They barely have a deputy, in Albanian parliament.
somebody

Boston, MA

#4 Aug 25, 2012
The Albanians: an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present

By Edwin E. Jacques

Page 79-80

In October 1984, 70 historians and archaeologists from Greece , Albania , Romania , Italy and several other countries of Europe convened in Clermont-Ferrand , France.

They held a colloquium with a group of Specialists in ancient history who were working there under the direction of Proffesor Pierre Kaban, the renowned expert on Epirus .

They compared studies on the tribal and ethnic groups which gradually organized into urban life, then federated into state organizations.

They compared juridical institutions such as family right of ownership, the role of the woman in the family and the procedure in freeing slaves.

Similarities of Epirotes centers like Dodona and those of Southern Illyria were evidenced by the layout, architecture, and political organization, also the circulation of coins, the structure of groves, the burial rites and articles found in the tumuli.

But scholars concluded that from early antiquity until the Roman times THAT CULTURE OF SOUTHERN ILLYRIA AND EPIRUS, INCLUDING MOLOSSIA, WAS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF CLASSICAL GREECE AS FOUND IN ATHENS AND SPARTA

http://books.google.com/books...
somebody

Boston, MA

#5 Aug 25, 2012
The English cyclopaedia: a new dictionary of Universal Knowledge, Volume 6

By Charles Knight - 1854
Page 926
The inhabitants of Epirus were scarcely considered Hellenic. The population in early times had been Pelasgic.(Strabo, p. 221.)

The oracle at Dodona was always called Pelasgic [DODONA], and many names of places in Epiriis were also borne by the Pelasgic cities of the opposite coast of Italy (Niebuhr,'Hist, of Rome,' i. p. 34);

but irruptions of Illyrians had barbarised the whole nation; and though Herodotus (ii. 56) speaks of Thesprotia as a part of Hellas, he refers to its old condition, when it was a celebrated seat of the Pelasgians, rather than to its state at the time when he wrote his history.

In their mode of cutting the hair, in their costume, and in their language, the Epirotes resembled the Macedonians, who were an Illyrian tribe.(Strabo, p. 827.)

http://books.google.com/books...
somebody

Boston, MA

#6 Aug 25, 2012
albanians are TURKS lol wrote:
its greek lands not alvanian turks...
Albanians are the original people of Europe, and there is current information, indicating that the Albanians are the most homogeneous in Europe, and all Balkan populations

23 Albanian between 2237 Europeans, a U.S. study on race

Two professors at the University of California, Peter Ralph and Graham Coop have published a study of the geography Actual Genetic ancestors throughout Europe.

This study has used a database called POPRES that has taken 2,237 Europeans genetic data. Their genetic data are used to verify the genealogical heritage of the inhabitants of Europe up to 3 thousand years ago.

Parts of this study were 9 genetic data from Albania and Albanians from Kosovo Albanians 14.(23 words Albanians are living in London and Lausanne).

This study provides a lot of discussion, however, results in the table on page 37 (follow the link at the end of the note) show that the Albanians are the most homogeneous in Europe and that all Balkan populations have a common ancestor with the Albanians that date back more than 2 thousand years ago, even before the Slavic invasions in these regions.

On page 15 of the study (Who are) say that modern Albanians may be descendants of people who lived in the eastern part of the Adriatic and today Salento (Italy) during the Roman period. Below is a bit from that part which referred to the Albanians:

"The highest level of the common identity is found in individuals who speak Albanian, who have a common background growth that comes from 1,500 years ago. It suggests that an important part of modern Albanian predecessors have been a relatively consistent and collect population has been stable for at least the past 1,500 years ... "

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This publication Scientific American authors of July 2012 may be consulted at:

The geography of recent genetic ancestry across Europe
(University of California at Davis, USA)

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.3815v1.pdf
Kemal Kaduri Mangu

UK

#7 Aug 26, 2012
greex lezy cheet peeple is it
Born free - Molon lave

Adelaide, Australia

#10 Aug 26, 2012
somebody wrote:
The Albanians: an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present
By Edwin E. Jacques
Page 79-80
In October 1984, 70 historians and archaeologists from Greece , Albania , Romania , Italy and several other countries of Europe convened in Clermont-Ferrand , France.
They held a colloquium with a group of Specialists in ancient history who were working there under the direction of Proffesor Pierre Kaban, the renowned expert on Epirus .
They compared studies on the tribal and ethnic groups which gradually organized into urban life, then federated into state organizations.
They compared juridical institutions such as family right of ownership, the role of the woman in the family and the procedure in freeing slaves.
Similarities of Epirotes centers like Dodona and those of Southern Illyria were evidenced by the layout, architecture, and political organization, also the circulation of coins, the structure of groves, the burial rites and articles found in the tumuli.
But scholars concluded that from early antiquity until the Roman times THAT CULTURE OF SOUTHERN ILLYRIA AND EPIRUS, INCLUDING MOLOSSIA, WAS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF CLASSICAL GREECE AS FOUND IN ATHENS AND SPARTA
http://books.google.com/books...
Jacques hey?
Edwin E. Jacques. Since many nationalist Albanians seem to consider him as a somewhat valid source only based to the fact that he is a non-Albanian source, i thought to make clear a few points about him.
Unfortunately for Albanians, Edwin E. Jacques, isnt taken as a valid source inside historical community for the simple reason he...is not a historian but rather a pro-Albanian revisionist, a Reverend, whose his allegations are rated between semi-intelligent to...fatuous at rare cases.
On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
They were added during the communist era and thats why they are unacceptable by historians.
On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated
From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.
albanians are TURKS lol

Canada

#11 Aug 26, 2012
somebody wrote:
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Albanians are the original people of Europe, and there is current information, indicating that the Albanians are the most homogeneous in Europe, and all Balkan populations
23 Albanian between 2237 Europeans, a U.S. study on race
Two professors at the University of California, Peter Ralph and Graham Coop have published a study of the geography Actual Genetic ancestors throughout Europe.
This study has used a database called POPRES that has taken 2,237 Europeans genetic data. Their genetic data are used to verify the genealogical heritage of the inhabitants of Europe up to 3 thousand years ago.
Parts of this study were 9 genetic data from Albania and Albanians from Kosovo Albanians 14.(23 words Albanians are living in London and Lausanne).
This study provides a lot of discussion, however, results in the table on page 37 (follow the link at the end of the note) show that the Albanians are the most homogeneous in Europe and that all Balkan populations have a common ancestor with the Albanians that date back more than 2 thousand years ago, even before the Slavic invasions in these regions.
On page 15 of the study (Who are) say that modern Albanians may be descendants of people who lived in the eastern part of the Adriatic and today Salento (Italy) during the Roman period. Below is a bit from that part which referred to the Albanians:
"The highest level of the common identity is found in individuals who speak Albanian, who have a common background growth that comes from 1,500 years ago. It suggests that an important part of modern Albanian predecessors have been a relatively consistent and collect population has been stable for at least the past 1,500 years ... "
*****
This publication Scientific American authors of July 2012 may be consulted at:
The geography of recent genetic ancestry across Europe
(University of California at Davis, USA)
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.3815v1.pdf
no your not your a joke you dumb albanian peasant lol nice try though...
somebody

Boston, MA

#12 Aug 26, 2012
albanians are TURKS lol wrote:
<quoted text> no your not your a joke you dumb albanian peasant lol nice try though...
Albanians are the oldest people of the Balkans, this also shows and their language.
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Ask-A-Linguist - Oldest Language

Answers provided by Elizabeth Pyatt , Pennsylvania State University.

With a twist of fate, Albanian might be considered very "old" and Greek pretty "new".

See an Introduction to the Indo-European Languages by Philip Baldi.

http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/oldest.cfm
albanians are TURKS lol

Canada

#13 Aug 26, 2012
somebody wrote:
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Albanians are the oldest people of the Balkans, this also shows and their language.
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Ask-A-Linguist - Oldest Language
Answers provided by Elizabeth Pyatt , Pennsylvania State University.
With a twist of fate, Albanian might be considered very "old" and Greek pretty "new".
See an Introduction to the Indo-European Languages by Philip Baldi.
http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/oldest.cfm
nope nice try

http://www.google.ca/url...
somebody

Boston, MA

#14 Aug 26, 2012
albanians are TURKS lol wrote:
<quoted text> nope nice try
http://www.google.ca/url...
Who cares what you think, the world knows the truth!!
Born free - Molon lave

Adelaide, Australia

#15 Aug 27, 2012
somebody wrote:
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Who cares what you think, the world knows the truth!!
Not the real world only the one in Albanian fairy tales.
somebody

Boston, MA

#16 Aug 27, 2012
Born free - Molon lave wrote:
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Not the real world only the one in Albanian fairy tales.
Oh look at the facts swingle!! They are not from Albania but from the world!
Born free - Molon lave

Adelaide, Australia

#17 Aug 27, 2012
somebody wrote:
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Oh look at the facts swingle!! They are not from Albania but from the world!
Not the majority though and definately not universally accepted amongst scholars....only nationaltistic circles.
somebody

Brighton, MA

#18 Aug 28, 2012
Born free - Molon lave wrote:
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Not the majority though and definately not universally accepted amongst scholars....only nationaltistic circles.
Scholars agree with this.
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The history of the Balkan Peninsula: from the earliest times to the present day

By Ferdinand Schevill page 3
Eastern question (Balkan)- 1922 - 558 pages

GREEKS ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF THE PENINSULA.

http://books.google.com/books...
Born free - Molon lave

Adelaide, Australia

#19 Aug 29, 2012
somebody wrote:
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Scholars agree with this.
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The history of the Balkan Peninsula: from the earliest times to the present day
By Ferdinand Schevill page 3
Eastern question (Balkan)- 1922 - 558 pages
GREEKS ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF THE PENINSULA.
http://books.google.com/books...
Which scholars?

More Albanian BS. Schevill says lots of things doesn't mean he's correct. You have seized on an opinion and consider it as gospel. The problem is he does not provide an argument that holds water.
albanians are TURKS lol

Canada

#20 Aug 29, 2012
Born free - Molon lave wrote:
<quoted text>
Which scholars?
More Albanian BS. Schevill says lots of things doesn't mean he's correct. You have seized on an opinion and consider it as gospel. The problem is he does not provide an argument that holds water.
i showed that albanian dumb fck plenty of facts hes nothing but a bunch od turk sperm peasants...
somebody

Brighton, MA

#21 Aug 29, 2012
Born free - Molon lave wrote:
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Which scholars?
More Albanian BS. Schevill says lots of things doesn't mean he's correct. You have seized on an opinion and consider it as gospel. The problem is he does not provide an argument that holds water.
You’re not native, in the Balkans, it is accepted.
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Greek language establish whether Greek belongs to a specific subgroup of IE; the old theory that it was closely related to Latin or Italic has long since been exploded.

It shares a number of features with Armenian and Indo-Iranian but they are not sufficient to define specific subgroups. The ancient belief that the language was autochthonous cannot be accepted;

Source: The Oxford companion to classical civilization. by Simón Hornblower, Antony Spawforth - 2004 - 795 pages, Oxford University Press, Page 317
somebody

Brighton, MA

#22 Aug 29, 2012
albanians are TURKS lol wrote:
<quoted text> i showed that albanian dumb fck plenty of facts hes nothing but a bunch od turk sperm peasants...
You seem that you are a man without level.

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