Is Arvanitika a valuable language of...

Is Arvanitika a valuable language of Greece with many Homeric elements ?

Created by dodona on Feb 19, 2011

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arvanites

Mastic, NY

#164 Mar 18, 2011
still nottin. u r dumbest girls on da earth greek islander. stop readin ur shitty notes bring sum facts moron
Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#165 Mar 18, 2011
Modern Greek is the descendant of Ancient Greek. The ancient dialects that were spoken in different areas of Greece up to the 4th century BC were gradually superseded by a form of the language that became known as Elliniki Koine (common Greek), which was based on the Attic dialect of Athens.

This form of Greek Koine evolved through a series of historical changes that include the occupation by the Romans and the period of the Roman Empire, the birth of the Byzantium and the historical transition from Constantine I to Mehmet the Conqueror and the Fall of Constantinople to the birth of Modern Greek spanning from the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish occupation to the modern Greek state.

UCLA Language Materials Project

http://www.lmp.ucla.edu/Profile.aspx...

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#166 Mar 18, 2011
Read this is written in language of birds as once Arberoret said for their language

http://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellazg%C3%ABt

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#167 Mar 18, 2011
What says Eleni Glykatzi-Arveler Arbanite historians former Dean of Sorbonne:

just a part of the truth for history of Greece , Greeks are not homogen we were Albanian,Vlleh...Bizantine Empire was not Hellenic etc

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adela

Boston, MA

#168 Mar 18, 2011
Born free - Molon lave

When we talk about our history is more ancient than yours you always opposed, and then read historians, scholars what they say!

We know who we are and proud of our ancient origins, on the contrary you do not know who you are!!

Greece had to wait until the nineteenth century for a national language and to forge a national language for the new nation state.

A state created by religion and not ethnicity, with a false name.

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#169 Mar 19, 2011
Arvanitika Gjuha e Greqise ne 1821

Since: Jan 11

Athens, Greece

#170 Mar 20, 2011
dodona and adela ,,,
the two total stupid idiots .
posting stupidys just for themsels..!!!!
to make their ego good...
or you believe seriusly, somebody is taking care for the stupidys ???????
dodona wrote:
Arvanitika Gjuha e Greqise ne 1821
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ILxqy1ktRwsXX
arvanites

Mastic, NY

#171 Mar 20, 2011
pervers-vergin
i feel srry 4 u girl.do u y ALBANIAN guys dumpin all der loads in ur mouth? because ur mouth look like arse
Born free - Molon lave

Adelaide, Australia

#172 Mar 20, 2011
adela wrote:
Born free - Molon lave
When we talk about our history is more ancient than yours you always opposed, and then read historians, scholars what they say!
We know who we are and proud of our ancient origins, on the contrary you do not know who you are!!
Greece had to wait until the nineteenth century for a national language and to forge a national language for the new nation state.
A state created by religion and not ethnicity, with a false name.
OH REALLY!!!

In which paradox does this become the truth?

There is NO credible evidence to tie the Albaians to a history that predates the Greeks, Mycenean or Minoan or Pelasgian or anything else for that matter.As a matter of fact there is a BIG BLACK HOLE in Albanias history from when the Romans sacked Illyria (current Dalmatian Coast) to the Turks appearing on the scene several centuries later.

You rely on theories and opinions of authors long discredited by ACADEMIA......

There are no tangible discoveries in Albania that proove your theories, not one iota of proof.........apart from Hellenic settlements in the South of modern Albania...No Language, No written sources,no monuments and no excavations and please do not say the proof is in Greece etc...
Born free - Molon lave

Adelaide, Australia

#173 Mar 20, 2011
dodona wrote:
Read this is written in language of birds as once Arberoret said for their language
http://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellazg%C3%ABt
Whats a 150 year old language got to do with anything?
adela

Boston, MA

#175 Mar 21, 2011
Born free - Molon lave

Not Greek state and no National flag, a period of nearly 2000 years.

From roman occupation 146 BC until the 19th century you called yourself Roman citizen.

The Romans called you first, Grecian.
The word Greek did know by your people and did not make sense in your language.

Greece was formed into a province of the Roman Empire under the name of Achaia, and thus disappeared from history.

Greece reappears no more in history as an independent State until the beginning of the 19th century, a period of nearly 2000 years.

What Hellenism?

This ideology was created around 18-19th century with the sole purpose.

The people living in modern Greece were literally told what they didn’t know they were. These people were told to embrace the new artificially created reality, to forget their present that was anything, but Hellenic.

This population composed from people of many ethnically origins like Albanian, Vlach, Slavic, Turkish etc were taught (sometime forcibly) how to speak the language based on the so-called Koine (which means common Greek?

a semi-artificial supposedly ancient language, spoken only by some high ranking Christian Church clergy and a small minority of Christian educated

There was no Greek state but only a multiethnic Byzantium or East Roman Empire during the emergence and early days of the Ottoman state.

The Turks called the Byzantines "Rum," that is Romans. Eventually they referred to modern Greece as Yunanistan.

Indeed, among the numerous ethnic and religious groups in the Ottoman state only

the Greeks and the Turks became identified with religion to the detriment of their ethnic and national consciousness, since both of them,

compelled by historical conditions turned into spokesmen and defenders of Orthodoxy in the two universalist religions, Christianity and Islam
adela

Boston, MA

#176 Mar 21, 2011
It’s really becoming boring to read articles in Wikipedia that are poisoned and twisted by the nationalist Greek propaganda.

This does not surprise us much because it is a known fact that Greece sponsors these kinds of campaigns to promote the ‘Hellenic’ past of Macedonia and Epirus, both non-Greek regions that were conquered by Greece in 1913.

As a matter of fact, the Greek government, as per their revelations, spent over 130 million US dollars from 1989 to 1993 in buying reporters who will promote the “Hellenism” of Macedonia abroad and the “macedonization” of Greece at home.

This case was first reported by Athens based Eleftherotypia in 1994.
adela

Boston, MA

#177 Mar 21, 2011
The ancient Illyrians are unquestionably the ancestors of the people generally known in Europe by the name Albanians which inhabit the greater part of ancient Illyricnm and Epirus

In reality, the Albanians, or Shqipetar, are called, represent the original owners of the peninsula

The Illyrians were also " Pelasgian," but in a wider sense which are described by the Greek writers as barbarous, the Illyrians and Epirots were respectively the progenitors of the Ghegs, or northern, and the tosks, or southern, Albanians

The Greeks are the descendants of Cadmus, of Cecrops, and other outcasts of the Egyptian-Phoenician race.

Pelasgian or barbarous was a term used by the ancient Greeks themselves for early non-Greek inhabitants of their country and its islands.
adela

Boston, MA

#178 Mar 21, 2011
Once More Time, The Royal Institute Of Sweden, The Most Prestigious Institution In The World Of Languages And Other Doctorates Along With Trinity College And Oxford, Has Published That The Albanian Language Is The Oldest Indo-European Language and the Albanians are the oldest nation in Europe.

The Albanian language has been determined to be the oldest of the European languages by DNA/genes studies at Stanford U.(Luigi Cavalli-Sforza).

In addition it has been determined by radio carbon dating that the first Indo-Europeans came to the Balkans by way of Asia Minor and then propagated as agriculturalists throughout the continent taking three thousand years to travel that many kilometers, UK(Colin Renfrow).

The Albanian language is thus the "Mother-Language" of all the European languages existing today.

This explains why Albanians readily pick up any of the European languages and speak them without appreciateable accents.
(George Fred Williams 1914)- If we return to pre-history, before rhapsodic homer sang to goddesses and methodology heroes, before Greek language was written, one well known nation lived with the name of Pelasgian. Albanians are the only ancestors who have the origins from this powerful prehistoric race.

Recently has been established that Pelasgian - et were ancient Ilirs. Albanian was the true language of Homer, as the Greeks have copied from rapsodian Pellazg their wealthy epos.
Kujtim Shehu, Kacanik - translated from the book by Dhimitri Pilika "Pelasgian - Our Denied Origin" who has completed an extensive research on the origins of Pelasgian

Johann Georg von Hahn in his 1854 Albanesische Studien identified the Pelasgian language with "Ur-Albanian".

In this, he followed earlier suggestions by Giuseppe Crispi (Memoria sulla lingua albanese, Palermo 1831). This "Pelasgian theory" of Albanian origins was shared by some other 19th-century authors

Since: Jan 11

Athens, Greece

#179 Mar 21, 2011
bravo stupid adele..
bravo for the stupidys
bravo against
adela wrote:
The ancient Illyrians are unquestionably the ancestors of the people generally known in Europe by the name Albanians which inhabit the greater part of ancient Illyricnm and Epirus
In reality, the Albanians, or Shqipetar, are called, represent the original owners of the peninsula
The Illyrians were also " Pelasgian," but in a wider sense which are described by the Greek writers as barbarous, the Illyrians and Epirots were respectively the progenitors of the Ghegs, or northern, and the tosks, or southern, Albanians
The Greeks are the descendants of Cadmus, of Cecrops, and other outcasts of the Egyptian-Phoenician race.
Pelasgian or barbarous was a term used by the ancient Greeks themselves for early non-Greek inhabitants of their country and its islands.

Since: Jan 11

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#180 Apr 2, 2011
Albania is the center of white race since we speak Albanian language ,the language of Pelasgians ...!
Thanasi

Natick, MA

#181 Apr 2, 2011
Reality Sux wrote:
Arvanitika has disappeared - and as an Arvanitis I can say that it makes no difference to our lives. We identify as Greeks - as we were orthodox during the middle ages, and ethnicity was not based on nationality, but religion - and we still do. Greek Arvanites know where our clans came from during the 13th - 18th Centuries, we know why we migrated south (to be closer to the Christians like us, or because we were hired mercenaries by the Venetians to fight against the Turks in their regions of occupation 15th - 17th Century), but do not question our Hellenic ties, or our Hellenic identity.
Where? "Arvanites know where our clans came from during the 13th - 18th" It is more important to be Arvanite than to speak the lanuage. Does this make sense to you?

Since: Jan 11

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#183 Apr 5, 2011
The big hiddend truth ,to whom belong the word greatest civilisation

Athens and Rome, the two major intellectual centers of antiquity, because most appropriated many of the prominent of the Pelasgians, were found in need to hide the true history. To accomplish this, kateskapsan cities of the Pelasgians; burnt their books and turned
the whole story in ancient mythology dropping so deep darkness, now not only know the accomplishments of prominent Pelas-Cash Transaction, one whom were Albanian, the so-called
and Gold, but not even know what were Pelasgians, although the archaeological excavations have brought to light thousands of projects
art, which adorn most the museums of Europe and America and although more than ten thousand written remnants of this culture are
found only in the Tyrrhenian Etruria or
Italy. Because here we are talking about the Albanian rather than the Pelasgians, simple to say,
according to various ancient pelasgian
written and related information
Ancient Greeks

By Niko Stylos
download :http://www.sendspace.com/file /gqrfon

Since: Jan 11

Athens, Greece

#184 Apr 5, 2011
SINCE WHEN PLEASE !!!!!
TELL ME THE NEXT JOKE .....
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ALWAYS HE STUPID dodona, what else !!!!
dodona wrote:
Albania is the center of white race since we speak Albanian language ,the language of Pelasgians ...!
forumskope

United States

#186 Apr 7, 2011
adela wrote:
Medieval and modern Greek
Robert Browning - 1983
Page 88
Cambridge University Press
But here the resemblance between Greece and Italy ends.
By Petrarch's time Italy already had a national language - lingua toscana in bocca romana - though it was not exactly the mother tongue of any community.
Greece had to wait until the nineteenth century for a national language, and indeed in a sense it has not got one yet.
The story of the struggle to forge a national language for the new nation state
http://books.google.com/books...
We have to fin d out wh o made the word Illyrica, or Illyricum.
It may not be a language or a nation. It may have been an are.
Need to find out when it was created.
Illyrica, Illyricum existed in the first century, probably as a region?
So anyway, highly likely it was already there for 2, 3 hundred years.
When did it really start? How long before the first century, who named it, and after what? Most times a region has a different name than what people there know it as. I don't think there is any Illyrians.

However could anyone trace who came up with the name, and for what?

Illyrica/Illyricum could be related to Lyra, Lyre,
may have been a region designated after it was vacated, after its victor, or its preffered heritage. Illyricum was designated on maps,
probably a Roman designation which the Greeks gave it the 'ca' version.
Romans gave names to everything, after their percieved origin.
Hybernia was the name of Ireland because they thought it was Iberian.
Check this, Cyprus was named after its copper content, but Cypruss is a tree. The original name of Cypruss was Kittim, and that was like Kittimwood that was used for building. Anyway, who came up with Illyricum
on the ancient maps?
It could have been

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