Is Arvanitika a valuable language of...

Is Arvanitika a valuable language of Greece with many Homeric elements ?

Created by dodona on Feb 19, 2011

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#1 Feb 19, 2011
Rhapsodies in Homer, despite all the corrections implied by the Athenians, we find many words in use among the Homeric Albanians, which argues for the antiquity of the Albanians.

http://books.google.com/books... 'Hom%C3%A8re,+malgr%C3%A9+tout es+les+corrections+impliqu%C3% A9es+par+les+Ath%C3%A9niens,+n ous+constatons+un+grand+nombre +de+mots+hom%C3%A9riques&d q=Dans+les+Rapsodies+d'Hom%C3% A8re,+malgr%C3%A9+toutes+les+c orrections+impliqu%C3%A9es+par +les+Ath%C3%A9niens,+nous+cons tatons+un+grand+nombre+de+mots +hom%C3%A9riques&hl=en &ei=aQlgTbvANoiy8QOh4L2QDA &sa=X&oi=book_result &ct=result&resnum=1 &ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA

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#2 Feb 19, 2011
breee stupid..
let us greek in peace ..
so much you love the greeks..!!!
and study breeeeeee a bit more ..
this stupid thing you are posting has nothing to do with the reality..first of all find what are the Arvanites, where they comme from...in rapsodie (greek word) of Omiros , nothing is mentioned..so, wher you found the bulshits..
listen !!!!
our history we greeks , know well!!!!
i dont expect form you to know my history, but at least study befor you post anything..
you are about minus zero...
your knowledge about greeks is in the level of green salad, or better the macedonian salad...
stupid one more you areeeeeeeeeeee
dodona wrote:
Rhapsodies in Homer, despite all the corrections implied by the Athenians, we find many words in use among the Homeric Albanians, which argues for the antiquity of the Albanians.
http://books.google.com/books... 'Hom%C3%A8re,+malgr%C3%A9+tout es+les+corrections+impliqu%C3% A9es+par+les+Ath%C3%A9niens,+n ous+constatons+un+grand+nombre +de+mots+hom%C3%A9riques&d q=Dans+les+Rapsodies+d'Hom%C3% A8re,+malgr%C3%A9+toutes+les+c orrections+impliqu%C3%A9es+par +les+Ath%C3%A9niens,+nous+cons tatons+un+grand+nombre+de+mots +hom%C3%A9riques&hl=en &ei=aQlgTbvANoiy8QOh4L2QDA &sa=X&oi=book_result &ct=result&resnum=1 &ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA

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#3 Feb 19, 2011
Just make a vote will you..yes I love the Gr arbanon people of greece , esi ti raca ise bre vlaka ?!:)
PERSEAS-VERGINA wrote:
breee stupid..
let us greek in peace ..
so much you love the greeks..!!!
and study breeeeeee a bit more ..
this stupid thing you are posting has nothing to do with the reality..first of all find what are the Arvanites, where they comme from...in rapsodie (greek word) of Omiros , nothing is mentioned..so, wher you found the bulshits..
listen !!!!
our history we greeks , know well!!!!
i dont expect form you to know my history, but at least study befor you post anything..
you are about minus zero...
your knowledge about greeks is in the level of green salad, or better the macedonian salad...
stupid one more you areeeeeeeeeeee
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adela

Lynn, MA

#4 Feb 19, 2011
Medieval and modern Greek
Robert Browning - 1983

Page 88
Cambridge University Press

But here the resemblance between Greece and Italy ends.

By Petrarch's time Italy already had a national language - lingua toscana in bocca romana - though it was not exactly the mother tongue of any community.

Greece had to wait until the nineteenth century for a national language, and indeed in a sense it has not got one yet.

The story of the struggle to forge a national language for the new nation state

http://books.google.com/books...
Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Feb 19, 2011
Since recorded history there has never been a period when the Greek language wasn't spoken by the majority of the population in the region of the Aegean Sea.

University Of Pennsylvania - Greek Language
This program is designed to offer students an opportunity to integrate the study of post-classical Greek language, history, and culture into the departmental program in Ancient Greek and Classical Civilization. The program covers Hellenic civilization from the Bronze Age to the modern day, and traces the development of the language and the culture across traditionally-drawn boundaries. The study of both ancient and modern Greek allows the student to appreciate how familiarity with one enriches understanding of the other, and to chart the development of a language which has one of the oldest continuous written traditions in the world.
http://www.hotcoursesusa.com/us/ba-in-ancient...

Encylopedia Britannica: The Greek Language
In the first half of the 2nd millennium bc, the “Proto-Greeks”(Indo-European ancestors of the Greeks) established themselves on the Greek peninsula, where their language developed into Greek. Later, Greek-speaking people occupied most of the islands of the Aegean and, about 1000 bc, the west coast of Anatolia. With few exceptions that is still the area occupied by the Greek language today. In the second quarter of the 1st millennium bc, a vast “colonial” movement took place, resulting in establishments founded by various Greek cities all around the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, especially in southern Italy and Sicily. This extension of the linguistic area of Greek lasted only a few centuries; in the Roman period, Latin, more or less rapidly, took the place of Greek in most of these ancient colonies. After the conquest of Asia Minor, Syria, and Egypt by Alexander the Great, Greek was the standard language of the rulers in the new urban centres of these countries until the invasions of the Arabs and the Turks.“Colonial” Greek survived longest at Byzantium, as the official language of the Eastern Empire.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/244...
Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Feb 19, 2011
adela wrote:
Medieval and modern Greek
Robert Browning - 1983
Page 88
Cambridge University Press
But here the resemblance between Greece and Italy ends.
By Petrarch's time Italy already had a national language - lingua toscana in bocca romana - though it was not exactly the mother tongue of any community.
Greece had to wait until the nineteenth century for a national language, and indeed in a sense it has not got one yet.
The story of the struggle to forge a national language for the new nation state
http://books.google.com/books...
Medieval and Modern Greek

ROBERT BROWNING
PROFESSOR EMERITUS OF CLASSICS
BIRKBECK COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY OF LONDON
preface to New Editon vii

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The Homeric poems were written down in more or less their present form in the 7th century B.C.Since then Greek has enjoyed a continuous tradition down to the present day. Change there has certainly been. But there has been no break like that of Latin and the Romance Laguages. Ancient Greek is not a foreign language to Greeks of today as Anglo-Saxon is to modern Englishmen. THE ONLY OTHER LANGUAGE WHICH ENJOYS A COMPARABLE CONTINUITY OF TRADITION IS CHINESE.

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#7 Feb 20, 2011
Albanian (Epirote) Ancient Vocal Traditions (UNESCO Prot.)This is a Greek project that invites folk musicians from various parts of the world to perform. All the polyphonic singers are from Albania (Epirus), some others are Greek immigrants that settled in the regions of Dropulli and Delvina during the times of Ali Pasha Tepelena and worked the lands of the Albanians lords of the time. When they first arrived in Albania they would dress differently and sing in unison. But as years passed, they started adopting the local culture, as it usually happens all over the world. They now sing in the Albanian/Doric mode and in semi-polyphonic. Full polyphonic singing of Albania is done in 4 parts (Marresi, Kthrysi, Hedhsi, and Mbajtsi). The Greek immigrants use 3 at most. http://www.nme.com/video/id/f4Y_tuSsCXw/searc...

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#8 Feb 20, 2011
The ethnic Albanians trace its roots to pre Hellenic Illyrians tribes , whose presence is been recorded in ballkan since at least 2nd millennium before Christ
Eastern Europe: an introduction to the people, lands, and culture ..., Volume 1 By Richard C. Frucht
http://books.google.com/books...

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Greece

#10 Feb 20, 2011
[email protected] you stupid..
jit the road..
dodona wrote:
Just make a vote will you..yes I love the Gr arbanon people of greece , esi ti raca ise bre vlaka ?!:)<quoted text>

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Greece

#11 Feb 20, 2011
stupiddddddddddddddddd
hit the road .......
dodona wrote:
The ethnic Albanians trace its roots to pre Hellenic Illyrians tribes , whose presence is been recorded in ballkan since at least 2nd millennium before Christ
Eastern Europe: an introduction to the people, lands, and culture ..., Volume 1 By Richard C. Frucht
http://books.google.com/books...

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#12 Feb 20, 2011
Arbanitet In beginning of 19 century made around 200000 inhabitant or ¼ of population of Greece (territory until Thessaly )which was a total of 753 400 not necessary Hellenes but vlleh, slav, turks , northAfrican etc

http://www.scribd.com/doc/43667591/Spata-Tato...

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Greece

#13 Feb 20, 2011
ok .. now i know how stupid you are...
in greece we are greeks. stupid..

hit he road now..
by the way i live in Macedonia near to Dion and Vergina..
if you know the areas..
now hot the road .....
dodona wrote:
Arbanitet In beginning of 19 century made around 200000 inhabitant or ¼ of population of Greece (territory until Thessaly )which was a total of 753 400 not necessary Hellenes but vlleh, slav, turks , northAfrican etc
http://www.scribd.com/doc/43667591/Spata-Tato...
Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Feb 20, 2011
dodona wrote:
The ethnic Albanians trace its roots to pre Hellenic Illyrians tribes , whose presence is been recorded in ballkan since at least 2nd millennium before Christ
Eastern Europe: an introduction to the people, lands, and culture ..., Volume 1 By Richard C. Frucht
http://books.google.com/books...
Albanian history and language highly controversial as Albanians themselves had no alphabet until the 19th century and of course never did anything worthwile anyway. Some say they may be related to ancient Illyrians or maybe Thracians others say they aren't...who knows and who really cares.

"The Illyrian language is nonexistent. What survives are Illyrian glosses of names and places preserved in ancient Greek and Latin literature and epigraphs.

When discussing the Illyrian language, the Albanian question arises. Is it a descendant of Illyrian? The controversy began with the etymological studies of the Albanian vocabulary. The Albanian language appears to explain some Illyrian proper names.

Yet, the Albanian relation to Illyrian was not so convincing to some linguists. Some scholars of ancient Balkan languages had seen Albanian as an extraction of Thracian. Even though little is also known about Thracian, this placed Albanian among the Indo-Iranian east or "satem" group of languages as Thracian is believed to have been a "satem" language and left Illyrian within the Latin west or "centum" group assuming that Illyrian belonged there at all.

For linguists, these correspondences between Albanian and Thracian justified their claim and left Illyrian and Albanian on the opposite sides of the IE linguistic spectrum. This also suggests that the Albanians were originally much more further inland (central Balkans) thus in close proximity to the Thracians and only later migrated southwest towards the Adriatic. Considering that the Albanian language lacks maritime terminology as the Albanian words for fish (peshk), oar (lopatë) and barge (barkë) are loaners from Latin, Slavic, and Greek respectively, this Thracian hypothesis has some logic."

http://www.ancientillyrians.com/language.html

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#15 Feb 20, 2011
PERSEAS-VERGINA wrote:
ok .. now i know how stupid you are...
in greece we are greeks. stupid..
hit he road now..
by the way i live in Macedonia near to Dion and Vergina..
if you know the areas..
now hot the road .....
<quoted text>
could you be not offensive are you racist ...the reference which i presented it written by a respectable Greek ,read it and and not believe your fix pseudonationalist ideas ..!i double how much hellene u realy are ..?!

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#16 Feb 20, 2011
Niko Stylos, linguist from Athens, Greece, member of Arvanitas community in Greece, published a book "Etrusk Language" which he consideres as a predecessor of Toskerishte dialect of Albanian Language, mainly dominant in South Albania and members of Arvanitas community in Greece. He discovered a megalith in Epirus region of Greece, which is old since V-th century B.C, and on its both sides had engraved text, and this text has no similarities with Greek but with Albanian earliest dialect. He transcripted the text and found suprising albanian words like Djeloinae - alb.djalë(Eng. Son); dheaë- alb.dhe - eng.earth,ground, ic - alb.ik - eng. run, Anjaë- alb. anë- eng.side, rriuna - alb. rri - eng. stay; Memët - alb. mëmat, eng. mothers, rritesën - alb. rriten - eng. grows; Anje Djathër - alb. ana e djathtë, eng. right side

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Greece

#17 Feb 20, 2011

ego vlaka giftoskopiane, eimai PONTIOS..ELLINAS
born in macedonia , near DION -PIERIA..
what are you bre stupid ?????
stupid , i am waiting to tellme ,what are you...
dodona wrote:
Just make a vote will you..yes I love the Gr arbanon people of greece , esi ti raca ise bre vlaka ?!:)<quoted text>

Since: Jan 11

Greece

#18 Feb 20, 2011
stupid
dodona wrote:
Niko Stylos, linguist from Athens, Greece, member of Arvanitas community in Greece, published a book "Etrusk Language" which he consideres as a predecessor of Toskerishte dialect of Albanian Language, mainly dominant in South Albania and members of Arvanitas community in Greece. He discovered a megalith in Epirus region of Greece, which is old since V-th century B.C, and on its both sides had engraved text, and this text has no similarities with Greek but with Albanian earliest dialect. He transcripted the text and found suprising albanian words like Djeloinae - alb.djalë(Eng. Son); dheaë- alb.dhe - eng.earth,ground, ic - alb.ik - eng. run, Anjaë- alb. anë- eng.side, rriuna - alb. rri - eng. stay; Memët - alb. mëmat, eng. mothers, rritesën - alb. rriten - eng. grows; Anje Djathër - alb. ana e djathtë, eng. right side
Reality Sux

Toronto, Canada

#19 Feb 20, 2011
Arvanitika has disappeared - and as an Arvanitis I can say that it makes no difference to our lives. We identify as Greeks - as we were orthodox during the middle ages, and ethnicity was not based on nationality, but religion - and we still do. Greek Arvanites know where our clans came from during the 13th - 18th Centuries, we know why we migrated south (to be closer to the Christians like us, or because we were hired mercenaries by the Venetians to fight against the Turks in their regions of occupation 15th - 17th Century), but do not question our Hellenic ties, or our Hellenic identity.

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Greece

#20 Feb 20, 2011
bre stupid, one more again..
my parents are greek.
my grandparents were greek.
my grand-grand parents were greek
tell me what you are bre stupid..
post your nationality..what are you???
i am greek from the glorius area Macedonia(part of greece)
dodona wrote:
<quoted text>
could you be not offensive are you racist ...the reference which i presented it written by a respectable Greek ,read it and and not believe your fix pseudonationalist ideas ..!i double how much hellene u realy are ..?!

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#23 Feb 20, 2011
PERSEAS-VERGINA wrote:
ego vlaka giftoskopiane, eimai PONTIOS..ELLINAS
born in macedonia , near DION -PIERIA..
what are you bre stupid ?????
stupid , i am waiting to tellme ,what are you...
<quoted text>
ha Pontios i understand ...! watch the language you look barbarian to me ..I am SHQIPTAR..!

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