The German-French friendship

Mar 27, 2013 Full story: Reuters 79

Photos of significant gestures between two politicians often mirror the state of the relations between the two countries - and become part of our collective consciousness.

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Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#1 Mar 28, 2013
German-French friendship - like it has to be reiterated...but we all know, in reality, that friendship is just cosmetic now!

The French have realised, they have far more in common with the Mediterranean countries of Europe than they do with the Nordic-Germanic countries.

Germany has reinforced a division in the EU, between North-Europeans and South-Europeans...a divide that will break Europe when France decides to go Meditteranean.

The French voice shall be the loudest in the new upcoming Mediterranean-Union!

France Italy Spain Greece Portugal* Malta Cyprus possibly Israel...with associated members such as Keltic-Ireland and possibly Britain.

Germanic-Europe shall be confined to Germany, and a few Germanic type countries surrounding it!

Friendship and Solidarity - these concepts are foreign to Germanics!
Pro NEA

Saarbrücken, Germany

#2 Mar 28, 2013
I little shitgreek immigrand with his disabled mind talking about the most glorious nations ahahaha. Stay out shitgreek!
English Person - Oxford

Harrogate, UK

#3 Mar 28, 2013
Nick the Greek wrote:
German-French friendship - like it has to be reiterated...but we all know, in reality, that friendship is just cosmetic now!
The French have realised, they have far more in common with the Mediterranean countries of Europe than they do with the Nordic-Germanic countries.
Germany has reinforced a division in the EU, between North-Europeans and South-Europeans...a divide that will break Europe when France decides to go Meditteranean.
The French voice shall be the loudest in the new upcoming Mediterranean-Union!
France Italy Spain Greece Portugal* Malta Cyprus possibly Israel...with associated members such as Keltic-Ireland and possibly Britain.
Germanic-Europe shall be confined to Germany, and a few Germanic type countries surrounding it!
Friendship and Solidarity - these concepts are foreign to Germanics!
".. and possibly Britain"

The answer to that is 'No'.

The French and the 'PIGS' nations. Are you mad?(a) The British don't like 'Europe' as an idea(b) the English traditionally self-identify by their dislike of the French. They now like them more than some other countries, but only because those other countries are worse than the French. You can keep Southern Ireland if you want it.
The British might go for a much smaller Union with some of the sensible Northern European countries who are rich/stable. On the whole, the British think that the EU experiment was a very bad idea.
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#4 Mar 28, 2013
Pro NEA wrote:
I little shitgreek immigrand with his disabled mind talking about the most glorious nations ahahaha. Stay out shitgreek!
Ignorant Arrogant Abrasive Low-Life Turko-Hermannic-Monkey!

Thick Illiterate Atila-Monkey! Glorious Totila-Monkey!
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#5 Mar 28, 2013
English Person - Oxford wrote:
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".. and possibly Britain"
The answer to that is 'No'.
The French and the 'PIGS' nations. Are you mad?(a) The British don't like 'Europe' as an idea(b) the English traditionally self-identify by their dislike of the French. They now like them more than some other countries, but only because those other countries are worse than the French. You can keep Southern Ireland if you want it.
The British might go for a much smaller Union with some of the sensible Northern European countries who are rich/stable. On the whole, the British think that the EU experiment was a very bad idea.
Mediterranean-Union for France Italy Spain Greece Portugal* Malta Cyprus and possibly Israel.

Nordic-Union for the Germanic countries!

Ireland Kelts have Mediterranean leanings, we would accept them if they wanted it...Britain, if the British wanted it - the choice is their to make. The adriatic coast of Southern-Slavic countries, if they wanted it. The blue-print for such a union is yet to be written.

Such a union will come into existence on the decisions of France Italy and Spain!
English Person - Oxford

Harrogate, UK

#6 Mar 28, 2013
And while we're at it what are you doing in my country? I hope you are not voting in our elections. I'm so sick of that. People run opionion polls about what the "British people" think and all the foreigners answer them. This is why the results do not reflect what the real 'British' actually believe. What's the point of asking the Greeks in Britain about being part of the EU to find out if the "British" agree with the idea?
Yes, the Southern Celtic Irish have Mediterranean views - genetically the Irish and Welsh are from that part of the world thousands of years ago, which is why they have thick dark brown hair (i.e. Catherine Zeta Jones from Wales and the girls in the group "The Corrs" from Ireland). The Southern Irish are known for being irresponsible and for hating the English. This is in spite of the fact that most talented Irish people head for the UK the minute they finish their education (I think it used to be 3/4 of all Irish graduates moved to the UK mainland in search of work).
If you hate a country, you shouldn't move to it and bring your hate with you while benefitting from your host country.
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#7 Mar 28, 2013
Talking about political inconvenience and convenience, I would really like to see an investigation into the role of the BND (German Secret Service) in the Cyprus farce.

Last autumn the BND got very agitated about "dirty Russian money" in Cyprus, with reports appearing in der Spiegel and elsewhere http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/rus...

That Spiegel report states that the BND "was warning" against rescuing Cyprus.

Then, in recent days, the BND issued another report, with similar claims http://www.t-online.de/wirtschaft/id_62706648...

Once again the BND was recommending against a rescue of Cyprus.

To me it seems a little odd that a national secret service (Germany's) should be influencing European policy is this way and determining the fate of another EU member state.

Very odd...

But perhaps not so odd....

Ernst Uhrlau, the former director of the BND (he retired as recently as December 2011) is now working for DEUTSCHE BANK.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Uhrlau

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/...

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Germanic Hegemony - Turbo assisted by their own BND
to shape Europe in the Germanic mould.

Germanic-Europe is here - Where is the French voice, where is the Italian voice and where is the Spanish voice...Spooked and Silenced!
MrCurious

Buxtehude, Germany

#8 Mar 28, 2013
So you think that other nations secret services don't investigate international problems? That view is pretty naive. The secret services are actually institutions that only exist to advise and support heavy political decisions like that, because they have got personal sources, the possabilities and the instruments politicans don't have and will never have. In my opinion it's justified to preserve your host country for wrong decisions that would cost a lot of money and in the end would just support those who are guilty for the problem (and no I don't talk about the regular cypriot, but about your ineffective banking law system). At first every country has to look at their own needs, before they give money away. Why don't you want to pay for the russian black money? Have you even read the articles you've posted, because they are in german and you live in england.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#9 Mar 28, 2013
two points. first, when talking about a subject, Celts, make sure you know subject thoroughly and completely. Celts are people who traveled through the eons from the fertile crescent across the Caucasus into the steppes of presentday Russia and Ukraine. From there they split into the southern and northern groups the southern going around the Black Sea, thence up the Danau which you call Danube into southern Germany some continuing until reaching the sea in western Ireland and the Hebrides. other branch went further north to the Baltic, spreading around it. Celts are not mediterranean people but rather forest people. Secondly the people of France are diverse. northern French are cousins to Germans through Charlemagne of Aachen and the Saxons with some Nordics who settled Brittany and Normandy. southern French, mostly Provencals and Basques are indeed Mediterranean peoples. France will stay with the cousins in Germany while in time the southerners may split with France and go Mediterranean. that remains to be seen and if it happens will be far in the future. Provencals and French have different languages, customs, cultures and cuisine. Provencals are more akin to Spanish and Italian while French are akin to Germans. when discussing a subject, try to make sure you know what you are talking about. Berlin-Paris, Madrid-Marseille-Rome.
English person - Oxford

Harrogate, UK

#10 Mar 28, 2013
Why should we? You obviously don't!
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#11 Mar 28, 2013
http://www.lowtax.net/lowtax/html/jcyhom.html

How Cyprus conducts it’s Banking System is in full accordance with global LowTax Juridisdictions.

Cyprus is a low-tax jurisdiction, not a tax haven. Cyprus is on the OECD’s ‘white list’ of jurisdictions complying with the global standard for tax co-operation and exchange of information. Its fiscal and regulatory regimes are fully aligned with the acquis communautaire and the Code of Conduct for Business Taxation of the EU and the requirements of the OECD, the FATF, and the FSF. However the Cayman Islands’ maintains only 12 bilateral tax information arrangements; and The Isle of Man, 14. Cyprus an arrangement with all of its OECD bilateral (double-taxation treaty) partners – 46 fully, 6 being ratified.

Within these 52 countries, Cyprus has double-taxation treaties with about every country in the EU, and includes China, the US, Russia and, practically, every Middle East country. All the double-taxation treaties concluded by Cyprus were drafted on the basis of the Organization of Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) model treaty.

The primary objectives being:

1.) Clarify and determine the taxing rights of each contracting state;

2.) Reduce or avoid the impact of international juridical double taxation; and

3.) Introduce anti-avoidance provisions and mechanisms to prevent tax evasion.

Cyprus is an exemplar of an OECD ‘low-tax jurisdiction’ country (one that the US constantly, it seems, want to emulate) since it combines a low-tax regime with an extensive network of double-taxation treaties (which neither the Cayman’s nor the Isle of Man does).

[link to www.lowtax.net ]

Greeks shall not be Rubbished on the Whims of a very loud-mouthed unprofessional Germanic Finance Minister!
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#12 Mar 28, 2013
Wie Gehts, Oxford genius. what am i suppsoedly lying about, O brilliant one!
MrCurious

Buxtehude, Germany

#13 Mar 28, 2013
And how is it possible that they do money laundering then? They have got laws against this and it's officialy not allowed in the EU to do that. Of course I believe that cyprus has got a very accurate law system in a formal way, but if it comes to execute it, it doesn't seem to be pretty effective. So what is wrong about letting investors be part of the rescueing of the cyprus ecomic? Is it because you are afraid of the russian demands in the future? http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2013/1/9/...
Pro NEA

Dillingen, Germany

#14 Mar 28, 2013
Please, there is no sense talking about it, all they do is ignoring their own faults and are trying desperately to pin it onto decent people. Just look at their president - he is in a lobby group for Russian oligarchs - he wanted to protect, by stealing from accounts below 100.000 - his own idea and everything that comes with it.
MrCurious

Buxtehude, Germany

#15 Mar 28, 2013
Also I've heard about cypriot banks to have got an interest around 6% on money savings while it's normal to have something around 1-2%. Besides that you should understand that the economic crysis is, as a whole, in it's core a banking crisis that goes back to american housing loans. Everyone knows that german banks also have had buyed loans over there, as everyone did, because they thought it to be secure. Another story is shadow-banking and state rating. Two things not to be started in germany. In my opinion, Nick, you are just looking for someone to give all the guilty for the bad in europe and it's just easy to say that it is germanys fault. On the other hand you know that Cyprus wanted to join the EU? Of course Brussels (and not the german government only) and the european governments did something very wrong in letting cyprus join the EU. Greece and cyprus did have veiled their state budgets. The interest is very easy to find out: greece wanted cyprus to be protected from turkey. After the european politicans in brussels accepted the greece and later cypriot informations about their state-budgets they let european states vote and this vote has to be held unanimously - so it is EVERY single european government that has been fooled here. Another story why cyprus has been accepted as an european member was that greece wanted to blockade the near-east politics with turkey, because the EU wanted a deeper cooperation with that country in a econimcal way.

So if we consider that it just comes the clue that the only reason that those two countries were joining the EU was that they knew about future problems because of their financial household and they knew that the EU is liable for its members to a distinct level. In my opion it's very easy to see bad motives around here. Now you come around in the interwebs and pushes everything over to germany.

I mean I don't want to say that germany never broke EU-law to their advantage. Of course they did that, too, but unlike greece this country at least is productive and that not only in the touristic area. Germany would be doing good if they would work more for an income redistribution to increase the purchasing power inside the country, but as we've got very liberal idiots around the corner that think that export will be the solution forever and growth is everything that maybe never happen. So it is that many of our company chiefs treat their employees in an unfair way to produce many things they can export outside germany and not only into greece or cyprus but south america and china. In fact still german products are cheaper in portugal or spain (cars) then in germany.
MrCurious

Buxtehude, Germany

#16 Mar 28, 2013
Pro NEA wrote:
Please, there is no sense talking about it, all they do is ignoring their own faults and are trying desperately to pin it onto decent people. Just look at their president - he is in a lobby group for Russian oligarchs - he wanted to protect, by stealing from accounts below 100.000 - his own idea and everything that comes with it.
I know that the chance is high that Nick is to blended to see the facts, but I just hope that other people reading in that board because of interest, maybe learn from his black and white accusations.
Bronzilla

Thessaloníki, Greece

#17 Mar 28, 2013
"Greeks shall not be Rubbished on the Whims of a very loud-mouthed unprofessional Germanic Finance Minister! "

Greeks first we must f@ck the holland and german ports (asia-africa imports) and then we come back with the bank system..
English Person - Oxford

Harrogate, UK

#18 Mar 28, 2013
dunadd wrote:
Wie Gehts, Oxford genius. what am i suppsoedly lying about, O brilliant one!
As to my earlier post which commented on the Celtic background of the Irish and Welsh ...

Here is a map of where the Celts were/are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Celts_in_Eu...
Please note the dark green areas which show where Celtic based languages are still spoken. The Irish, Welsh and Scots languages are not English, or remotely similar.

Further to my earlier post, 96% of lineages in Llangefni in north Wales derive from Iberia. Genetic research on the Y-chromosome has shown that the Welsh, like the Irish, share a large proportion of their ancestry with the Basques of Northern Spain and South Western France. Again, see map.

Accordingly, you do not have any particular claim to be vastly more similar to anyone else in Northern Europe by virtue of your supposed unique 'Celtic' herritage.
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#19 Mar 28, 2013
So the Island nation of Cyprus only mistake was to make itself reliant on Banking, on Tourism and on Shipping, instead of emulating Germany into setting-up manufacturing based Industry producing a comprehensive range of high-volume, high-quality motor-vehicles for export.

When Schauble says the economic-model Cyprus is on right now, is the wrong one…does he envision a Germanic type economic-model or a Southern-European one, where everything is based on Tourism. Clearly in his point of view, Cyprus should never have built-up a Banking-Industry 8 times it’s GDP. I wonder what Schauble says about Luxembourg where the Banking Industry there is 20 times it’s GDP.

The EU under Merkel and Schauble has lost so much credibility it has become the topic of conversation from Russia to China and from Finland to Africa – everybody is talking about just how unprofessional the current Germanic administration has become…couple that with the general incompetence of the Troika and the whole thing just beggars belief.

Lagarde, Draghi and Barosso – between them, have shown us the dark-side of Germany’s coercive influences in the EU, orchestrating the solving of liquidity related crisis in Cyprus.

It surprises me just how silent the French and Italians have become!
Bronzilla

Thessaloníki, Greece

#20 Mar 28, 2013
FYI

Greek National Foodball team say rehhangel is persona non grata in Greece

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