German museum man says Alexander the Great was mainly Greek

Sep 24, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Earth Times

Mannheim, Germany - The head of a German museum which is set to show an exhibition about Alexander the Great weighed into a dispute between Skopje and Athens on Friday, saying the ancient leader had been predominantly Greek.

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" Mannheim, Germany - The head of a German museum which is set to show an exhibition about Alexander the Great weighed into a dispute between Skopje and Athens on Friday, saying the ancient leader had been predominantly Greek. The modern state of Macedonia, where the main language is a Slavic one, claims the heritage of ancient Macedonia.

"Alexander was predominantly Greek and definitely not an ancestor of contemporary Slavic Macedonians," said Alfried Wieczorek, head of the Reiss-Engelhorn Museums in the southern German city of Mannheim.

The exhibition devoted to the ancient general and ruler, who lived from 356 to 323 BC, opens on Saturday and runs till February 21.

For two decades, Athens has been objecting to its northern neighbour calling itself Macedonia. Skopje has named its airport after Alexander and insists on having Alexander's "star of Vergina" symbol on its coat of arms.

In an interview with the German Press Agency dpa, Wieczorek said, "The latest research shows very clearly yet again that the Macedonians in the days of Alexander were closely related to the contemporary Greeks."

He added, "In antiquity, Greeks and Macedonians could interact because they spoke the same language."

Athens has been insisting that the name Macedonia can only been applied to a province in its own north.

The country of Macedonia became independent in 1991 when Yugoslavia split up. The name issue has held up efforts to bring the new country into NATO and into formal assocation with the European Union.

The museum director referred to findings that its population of 2 million, one quarter of them Albanian speakers and three quarters Slavic speakers, are descended from people who immigrated in the 6th century of the modern era, long after Alexander's death. "

This article is the only truth of the name issue.
And it really hurts the Fyromian nationalists...

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Alexander the Great was Grek.
You dont need to have a Univeristy degree in History to end up to that conclusion.
There is tribes in the eastern Turkey, were occupied Kurdistan lies, that say that are descedants of the Greeks and Alexander the Great.
The same goes with the tribes in Afganistan and all the nations that the Greek leader conquored.
There is nothing for us Turks to be afraid.
Akexander was Greek, same as MACEDONIA was a Greek city state just as Athens.
Macedonians participated as equals Greeks to the Olympic games were only Greeks were aloud.
Nothing to fear, Alexander was Macedonian Greek.

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Wonder whether he´ll prove that Alex loved to sleep with minors too ?
That revelation could twist things completely though.
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HA .HA HA.. HITLER IS BACK IN MOTHER LAND THAT IS; ETHIOPIAN [GREEKS]] NO MONEY'''' ARE '''SOLD''SOLD' TO $$$$$$$$$$
TODAY'' GERMANY ;;;;;;;;;;''MACEDONIA NEVER BE SOLD.AND ALWAYS WILL BE MACEDONIAN FOREVER WITH REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA''AND TOTAL MACEDONIA CAN ONLY BE ONLY ONE MACEDONIA;;;;;
PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN

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THE MACEDONIAN KING wrote:
HA .HA HA.. HITLER IS BACK IN MOTHER LAND THAT IS; ETHIOPIAN [GREEKS]] NO MONEY'''' ARE '''SOLD''SOLD' TO $$$$$$$$$$
TODAY'' GERMANY ;;;;;;;;;;''MACEDONIA NEVER BE SOLD.AND ALWAYS WILL BE MACEDONIAN FOREVER WITH REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA''AND TOTAL MACEDONIA CAN ONLY BE ONLY ONE MACEDONIA;;;;;
You paranoid PSEUDODONIAN KING!

No Yugoslav nation of the Macedonians!
Yugoslavian Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes
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Yugoslavian Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes
No Yugoslav nation of the Macedonians!
See Demographic Statistic Yugoslavia 1921-1931:
http://www2.units.it/~storia/corsi/Dogo/tabel...

Skopians are a Titoistic Pseudonation. Not Macedonians!

Makedonija is the Greek name Makedonia in Serbocroatian. It is not Skopian name.
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Macedonians are Greeks. Not Serbophon Vardar-Bulgarians!

The Macedonian Symbol of "Vergina Sun" is Symbol for all Greeks :

Spartan Amphoreus of 6th Century BC-Museum of Louvre.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff101/mace...

Greek Hoplite vs Persian Soldier, 4th century BC:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff101/mace...

More:
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/200...

Vergina sun is a Greek state emblem of Macedonia:
http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/en/6ter/key.jsp...

Makedonija is the Greek name Makedonia in Serbocroatian! It is not Vardaroskata name.
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yeah wright

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How can anyone compare any history to some broken pots ?
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THE MACEDONIAN KING wrote:
HA .HA HA.. HITLER IS BACK IN MOTHER LAND THAT IS; ETHIOPIAN [GREEKS]] NO MONEY'''' ARE '''SOLD''SOLD' TO $$$$$$$$$$
TODAY'' GERMANY ;;;;;;;;;;''MACEDONIA NEVER BE SOLD.AND ALWAYS WILL BE MACEDONIAN FOREVER WITH REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA''AND TOTAL MACEDONIA CAN ONLY BE ONLY ONE MACEDONIA;;;;;
MONKEYYYYYYYY:: READ THIS::
What you SlavoMacedonians fail to see is that Greeks simply have no traditon of a SLAVIC group calling itself "Macedonian".

A Slavic "Macedonian" group by that name, does not feature in Greek folk songs, folk culture or folk-memory and in any of the neighbouring Balkan groups. Such a group does not appear anywhere historically.

THE PROBLEM here is that FYROM,( a newly emerged nation) decided to mould and identify itself in reference to elements of GREEK history, TO USE GREEK CULTURAL SYMBOLS and to foster DANGEROUS historical claims to Greek territory!
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Ahmet Bagis wrote:
Alexander the Great was Greek.
You dont need to have a University degree in History to end up to that conclusion.
There is tribes in the eastern Turkey, were occupied Kurdistan lies, that say that are descendants of the Greeks and Alexander the Great.
The same goes with the tribes in Afghanistan and all the nations that the Greek leader conquered.
There is nothing for us Turks to be afraid.
Alexander was Greek, same as MACEDONIA was a Greek city state just as Athens.
Macedonians participated as equals Greeks to the Olympic games were only Greeks were aloud.
Nothing to fear, Alexander was Macedonian Greek.
is a pleasure to See that a Turk is telling the truth

for a change i only hope the vardaro bulgarians see you post
and take notice but no much hope from this hillbillies

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THE MACEDONIAN KING wrote:
HA .HA HA.. HITLER IS BACK IN MOTHER LAND THAT IS; ETHIOPIAN [GREEKS]] NO MONEY'''' ARE '''SOLD''SOLD' TO $$$$$$$$$$
TODAY'' GERMANY ;;;;;;;;;;''MACEDONIA NEVER BE SOLD.AND ALWAYS WILL BE MACEDONIAN FOREVER WITH REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA''AND TOTAL MACEDONIA CAN ONLY BE ONLY ONE MACEDONIA;;;;;
hahahaha YOU GUY'S A PATHETIC ALL THE EVIDENCE SHOW THAT ALEXANDER WAS HELLENIC AND ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY GREEKS ARE ETHIOPIANS FARK YOUR STUPID.
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Ahmet Bagis wrote:
Alexander the Great was Grek.
You dont need to have a Univeristy degree in History to end up to that conclusion.
There is tribes in the eastern Turkey, were occupied Kurdistan lies, that say that are descedants of the Greeks and Alexander the Great.
The same goes with the tribes in Afganistan and all the nations that the Greek leader conquored.
There is nothing for us Turks to be afraid.
Akexander was Greek, same as MACEDONIA was a Greek city state just as Athens.
Macedonians participated as equals Greeks to the Olympic games were only Greeks were aloud.
Nothing to fear, Alexander was Macedonian Greek.
What about baclava..cadaiffi..are they greek..or coffee maybe??Are they greek too??
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greece should never recognize f.y.r.o.m by the name it uses today, if they do that they'll be screwed for years to come
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Greek authorities conducted massive population expulsions not only of Turks but also of Albanians and Macedonians. As a result, according to estimates compiled by Albanian organizations and historians, there were around 260,000 Albanians exiled from Greece in the subsequent 64 years. The 1923 Lausanne agreement which recognized that there was a sizable Albanian minority living in Greece and called on the Greek state to provide basic human rights, such as education and religious rights, did not help at all.

Then in the period from 1913 to 1948, in place of the exiled Macedonians, Albanians and Turks, Greek authorities deposited more than 1.5 million colonist settlers from Asia Minor, Pontus and other regions because they supposedly were the descendents of Alexander the Great.

TWENTY-SEVEN GREEK PRIME MINISTERS HAVE ALBANIAN DESCENT

Things in the Balkans are very much mixed-up and so intertwined that it is normal to assume that people are very much mixed. The Balkans is the place where one can find all kinds of people in a single region which is also the subject for Ljalja´s latest thesis.

According to Ljalja´s findings, 27 out of the 57 former Greek Prime Ministers are of Albanian descent.

Former Greek Foreign Affairs Minister Theodoros Pangalos, a Greek government representative, on occasion openly spoke about his Albanian background

Speaking of Albanians occupying high positions in the Greek government, Ljalja´s investigation has revealed that even the Greek President, Karolos Papuljas is of Albanian descent. According to Ljalja, Papuljas is a Cham (from Chamurija), born in the village Voshtina, one kilometer away from today´s Greek-Albanian border. His ancestors were Muslims with the last name Sulejmani. About 120 years ago Papuljas´s ancestors converted to Christianity and changed their name. Ljalja supports this assertion with evidence which he received from a well-known Albanian actor who studied with Papuljas and with whom the Greek President maintains contact to this day.
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What happened in 1833? Greece had just gained its independence from the Ottoman Empire. To be more precise it was given to her by France and Britain.
In return, Greece received a French appointed German ruler, Prince Otto.
Otto was a freshly arrived hit in Greece. He loved the ethnic soup there, though he grew a bit concern as to how he would rule this people.
His biggest concern was Athens, where the Albanians and Turkish dominated.
Prince Otto phoned his twenty seven (27) year old friend Johann Gustav Droysen at Friedrich Wilhelm University. The student turned part time teacher was such an authority on his subject “History” that he was a privatdozent and then a professor (appointed by Otto) without a salary.
Even Prince Otto didn’t think he was good enough to have a salary. Granted, friendship can sometimes go far, as in this case. Johann was hired by Greece’s ruler to create the “new history” for Greece, to unite the populace, give him an idea of a ‘language’ in such a way that the populations wouldn’t be in a conflict.
Johann Gustav had recommended Albanian as the core language of Greece because it dominated Athens. This idea didn’t go well with Prince Otto who explained that people in and outside of Athens spoke Turkish. Besides, the idea was to unite the populations.
Johann’s showed his cleverness by suggesting to adopt the long lost Koine language. Imagine Americans today adopting what is now considered the dying Latin language.
Prince Otto loved the idea and it was set in stone. Koine was the language. Better yet, the language was called “Greek”, the German born Greek ruler decided.
Little it was known that Otto’s friend and “history” professor Johann Gustav had transferred to yet another University, this time at Kiel, where once again was not able to get a salary. Shortly afterwards he made a decision to move into Politics! You’d think History would have worked out for him.
We are not done with Greece and Johann Gustav Droysen. Once the Koine language was introduced, Johan decided to further help Prince Otto in uniting the ethnic soup in Greece.
Hellenism.
This word was coined by none other, but our remarkable History Professor turned Politician Johann Gustav in 1836.
I understand few of you are disappointed because this term doesn’t go back in ancient time as some believe. 1836 is the year, the word Hellenism was first coined. Not a minute before that. When you consider who created the word, any comment can be superfluous.
By all means, Johann did his job, he was tasked to ’unite’, not to divide. Yes, he went perhaps a bit too far with the Hellenism phrase, not to mentioned calling Koine 'Greek'. I suggest to Macedonians to adopt the Hebrew language and call it "Macedonian", that way anything they find written in Hebrew, can claim as being Macedonian. Easy enough, if you follow "Greek logic".
Perhaps, I’d accept the term “Hellenistic” to describe something that happened in Athens, though I don’t know what that would be, still, the term "Macedonistic" period should, and ought to be, used to cover any other historical references.
There is no denying that the period from Alexander the Great until well into the Roman time deals with Macedonian Dynasties, their rule, succession and their eventual interaction, or lack there of with the indigenous local populations throughout the Balkan Peninsula, Asia and Egypt.
The term "Hellenistic” can hardly do any justice to historical scholarship since its coverage/domain leaves a huge section of history barely touched. Hellenism, the term Johann Gustav Droysen gave to this era, is such a narrow cultural belt of history that its usage is not only misleading and inappropriate but it very much distorts and minimizes the greatness of the ancient Macedonians.
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erhaps the Athenian contribution, from a cultural point of view, may be argued to have occupied a place of some importance in the administrative sector of the empire, the organizational, the military and the structural components of the Macedonian Empire must have been obtained, delivered and maintained strictly from Macedonian resources and for Macedonian interests.
The concept of an empire, an esoteric notion for the Athenians, was born with the first few initial successes of Alexander, and its meaning, magnitude, scope and structure grew as the string of victories and the success on the battlefields allowed Alexander to enlarge, coordinate and control huge land areas in Asia and Egypt. For almost 3 centuries after Alexander, it was his successors that carried the symbols and the name of the Macedonian Empire.
Thus, the very narrow strip of "Hellenism" that comes, as a residue, attached to the period in question, cannot, in any meaningful way, embrace and encompass the scope and the magnitude of an empire that was built, organized and maintained on the strength and the efficiency of the Macedonian army.
If Johann would be alive today to see what his fake history and the god father style of creating Greece has caused, I am certain he would have broken off his friendship to Prince Otto.

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<quoted text>What about baclava..cadaiffi..are they greek..or coffee maybe??Are they greek too??
Actually dick head it's byzantine
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@Goran,

The Greeks were in the Ottoman empire long before the Turks ruled us.

The first cookbook ever was written by Greek named Archestratus in 350 BC. It was called Hedypatheia (Pleasant Living or Life of Luxury).


eat arxidopita me horta.
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ARCHESTRATUS
An Athenian-born Epicurean and food writer during the Hellenistic Age, Archestratus—alternately called Archestratus of Gela (Sicily)—lived in Syracusa in the mid-fourth century BCE.

More culinary guide than chef, Archestratus composed Hedypathia (Luxury, ca. 350 BCE), a fifteen-volume verse text composed in a playful parody of the hexameter-based style of the classical epics. Now lost except for sixty-two fragments, the work, sometimes called Europe’s oldest cookbook, expressed the fundamentals of classical Mediterranean cuisine.

The intense pleasure Archestratus took from food is apparent in his writings:“Eat what I recommend. All other delicacies are a sign of abject poverty—I mean boiled chickpeas, beans, apples, and dried figs. The flat cake made in Athens deserves praise, though. If you can’t get hold of that, demand some Attic honey, as that will set your cake off really well. This is the life of a freeman! Otherwise one might as well…be buried measureless fathoms underground!” He wrote chiefly about sensual banquet fare—fish- and meatheavy menus devoid of vegetables.

His commentary lauded the white bread of Lesbos and Bybline wines from Phoenicia and mentioned dishes made from lentils, herbs, yogurt, hare, goose, conger and moray eels, boar-fish, and a favorite, lightly-seasoned and oiled fresh fish for roasting or grilling.

A stickler for details, Archestratus was given the nickname the “Hesiod of the Gourmets.” He influenced Athenaeus of Naucratis, author of Deipnosophistai (The Learned Banquet, ca. 200 CE), who preserved much of the master’s tastes.

According to Athenaeus, Archestratus “diligently traveled all lands and seas in his desire ... of testing carefully the delights of the belly.” He loved such appetizers as olives, barley breads, small birds, and pickled sow’s womb and spoke knowledgeably of the different textures of flesh from different parts of the fish—fin, belly, head, and tail. He divided fish into two categories: the tough varieties, which required marinating to tenderize, and the finequality species that needed only attentive grilling.

Among the flavorings he mentioned were honey and silphium, a pungent form of fennel used as a condiment. One delectable seafood dish he cooked in a sheaf of grape leaves. A translation of his book, titled The Life of Luxury, was published in 1994 by John Wilkins and chef Shaun Donovan Hill, a member of the Académie Culinaire de France; the English food writer Andrew Dalby discussed Archestratus’s cooking style and ingredients in Siren Feasts: A History of Food and Gastronomy in Greece (1996).

For his compilation of cookery and recipes, Archistratus traveled to Greece, southern Italy, and Sicily, the coast of Asia Minor, and the Black Sea and kept notes on ethnic food preferences, kitchen arrangement, and eating styles. He knew the best places to secure quality foodstuffs, especially scarce items. In the style of food writers Matro of Pitane and Philoxenus of Leucas, he delighted in dishes well cooked for the elegant table. Of the amia, a fish similar to bonito, he says in Book VII:“You could not possibly spoil it even if you wanted to… Wrap it in fig leaves with a little marjoram. No cheese, no nonsense! Just place it gently in fig leaves and tie them up with a string, then put it under hot ashes.” He warns the cook to watch the bundle carefully to keep it from burning. He concludes with a casual, almost offhand remark about quality food:“Let it come from Byzantium if you want the best.”

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