Macedonia:The Bavaria of Greece

Macedonia:The Bavaria of Greece

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Nick the Greek

York, UK

#1 Feb 15, 2013
Like Bavaria is Germany, Macedonia is Greece at all of these levels, geographically, linguistically, historically and culturally - todays Greeks can boast to be the closest related modern-peoples to the ancient ones. The connections transcend biological fraternal ties which bind them to their ancestors. They are as closely related to the ancient-Macedonians as they are to the ancient-Athenians, ancient-Spartans, Corinthians, Thessalians, Ionians and the whole list of Hellenic tribes that constituted the ancient-Hellenic world from antiquity. The path of least resistance flows through the modern Greeks - no other peoples in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula can boast what the Greeks boast.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs embarrass themselves when they tell the world they are more Macedonian than the Greeks...they embarrass Slavdom also, and insult the Greeks and Hellenism in the process.

The Macedonian-name is older than FYRoM's Slavic ancestors arrival to the region. Slavs were newcomers to Macedonia, arriving there at the top-end of the 6th Century AD, almost a millennium after the death of Alexander the Great. Any newcomer that settles an already inhabited region has no relatedness to the pre-existing population there. FYRoM's Slavic ancestors cross-fertilizing [[by force][free will]] with the local population there would still only make them partially-Greek, with partial-Greek rights to their legacy history and heritage.

Slavdom should pull FYRoM to one side and explain to them with whom they are dealing - Hellenism has endured in the Haemus [Greek] peninsula for more than 3 Millenniums. Greek-Hellenic culture has endured Persian excruciations, Celtic invasions, Roman occupation, Hunnic barbarity, Ostro-Gothic treachery, Slavic settlement, Pope inspired crusades, Catholic betrayal and Turkish domination spanning a time continuum of more than 1000 years...Greeks survived to tell the tale. Greeks preserved Hellenism, the Hellenic language and culture into the modern era.

If the Slavs of FYRoM think they can take something from Hellenism, something which never belonged to them in the first place, then truly, they do not know with whom they are dealing.

Greeks reserve the right to defend and protect what is theirs by birthright. Greeks shall defend Hellenism in the Haemus [Greek] peninsula. Greeks shall protect Hellenism, a culture and a way of life that has endured for more than 3 Millenniums.

Long live Hellas, long live the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

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Nick the Greek

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#2 Feb 15, 2013
Macedonia is Hellenic like Bavaria is Germanic, like Jerusalem is Israel, like Texas is American, like the Dordogne is France, like Tazmania is Australia...

...should I continue ?

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Nick the Greek

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#3 Feb 16, 2013
A Macedonian nation outside of Hellenism has never existed in historical verity, to create one now would be considered anethema, Greeks would simply not permit it, they would view such a venture as an abomination, an anti-Hellenic action, a travesty of the recorded history of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula.

To create a Macedonian nation state now, and then people it with NoN-Greeks, with rights to the historical legacy of the ancient-Macedonians would be a cause for the Greeks to take-up arms.

FYRoM does not have the right to wantonly usurp another peoples regional-tribal name...whilst it does have the right of self-determination, it cannot pick a name that is already in use and known to belong to another peoples, a native indigenous, racially different peoples with land and ancestry ties to the region.

Macedonians have been self-determined Greeks for more than 3 Milleniums whilst the Slavs of FYRoM became Macedonians under dubious circumstances in 1945.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been Slavic from since the 6th Century AD...for 1,400 years. Their parent-ethnicity has been Slavic for 1, 332 years until it was changed for them in 1945. For 68 years, they have used the Macedonian name self-Identify with.

I say again: Macedonians have been self-determined Greeks for more than 3 milleniums. FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs...from since 1945, and under the strict coercive influences of the Communist-Slavist elite ruling WWII wartime Yugoslavia.

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Nick the Greek

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#4 Feb 17, 2013
The region where FYRoM is located right now is a place that used to be called Paoenia back in ancient times. To the north of Paeonia lay Dardania. These lands were annexed and incorporated into a much larger extended-Macedonia by the latin-Romans, for administrative purposes - Paeonia and Dardania were never part of the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

FYRoM's attempt to establish itself as a new Slavic country called Macedonia, clashes and conflicts with the geography and with the demographic history of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula.

If FYRoM was ever to be permitted to appropriate and assume total usurpation of the Macedonian name for their new country, nationality, language and ethnicity on an exclusive basis...the Greeks would automatically lose in an instant and at a stroke, something primordially Hellenic - a good causal reason for the Greeks to take-up arms, to fetch back to Hellenism something that was given without their consent or permission.

FYRoM is not Macedonia and those who attempt to establish it as such have the Greeks to contend with.

Long Live Hellas - My Country, My Nation, My Family, My Honour, My Pride...Make Me Proud!

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Nick the Greek

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#5 Feb 17, 2013
Hellenism has endured in Macedonia and the Haemus [Greek] peninsula for more than 3 Millenniums.

Greek-Hellenic culture has endured...

1...Persian excruciations
2...Celtic invasions
3...Roman occupation
4...Hunnic barbarity
5...Ostro-Gothic treachery
6...Slavic settlement
7...Pope inspired crusades
8...Catholic betrayal
9...Turkish domination

...covering a time continuum spanning milleniums.

Greeks survived to tell the tale. Greeks preserved Hellenism, the Hellenic language and culture into the modern era.

Who got the front, the gall or the bottle to Rubbish This:

The Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans or the Hermans Jurgens and Gunthers!

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Nick the Greek

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#6 Feb 17, 2013
The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.
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Whoever said those words about Greeks was right...

...the Greeks are the most anarchic and the most difficult peoples to tame - the last amongst the European Millieu of Peoples to take freedom seriously.

To the Runt who put those words together I say This: Molon Lave!

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Nick the Greek

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#7 Feb 18, 2013
Why do the modern-peoples of ancient-Paeonia try to pass themselves off as Macedonians and their land as Macedonia ? Here we are talking about FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs. They attempt crudely, to usurp the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes even though it is known, that they are neither Macedonians nor their land Macedonia.

The lands North of Mount-Barmous and Mount-Orbelos is where ancient-Paeonia lay, where the ancient-Paeonians lived...to their South they faced the Greeks from Macedonia, and to their North they faced the Illyrians from Dardania, where Kosovo is situated today.

Paeonia was a country that was peopled by NoN-Greeks. King Phillip II of Macedon, Alexander the Greats father took control of Paeonia in 359 BC and Hellenized the area over the course of time.

Paeonians were probably an intermediate peoples somewhere between Thracian and Illyrian, who along with the Hellenes formed 3 autochthonous root-races that were native and indigenous to the Haemus [Greek] peninsula.

Thracians Illyrians and Hellenes...their sub-groups, sub-sets and derivatives peopled the Haemus peninsula during antiquity, probably from primordial inception, and Paeonia is the place where they blend amalgamate and coalesce.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs speak Slavic now, but they may have spoken Paeonian before Hellenization. Their ancestral forebears from since 359 BC, learned to walk like Greeks and talk like Greeks, courtesy of King Phillip of Macedon until the coming of the Slavic tribes to the Haemus, when they had no option but to Slavicize under the sheer weight and numbers of the newcomers.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs do have a past in the Haemus not as Macedonians, but as Paeonians. The genes they carry with admixture prove native to the Haemus - they speak Slavic but look Mediterenean, not too dissimilar from their immediate neighbours.

Thracians Illyrians and Hellenes - in any combination formed the ancient-peoples of the Haemus...elements from them and remnants of them can be found in todays modern-peoples, the ones that live their now.

If it is true, that all of us stem from the same common collective Haemus gene-pool, then we owe it to the ancient-Greeks who brought us together under their cultural-linguistic space and influence.

Paeonians were neither Greek nor Slavic - they just learned to walk that way and talk that way...like the peoples of FYRoM do today.

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Nick the Greek

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#8 Feb 19, 2013
Nation building aka FYRoM style is probably the crudest most shabbiest example ever undertaken by a peoples wanting one, since the concept of nation-state became the entities of choice for the replacement of expired, defunct Empires.

FYRoM's attempts at acquiring a brand-name can be likened to a comedy of errors, where the central theme of mistaken-Identity is seen to lead to somewhat comical but catastrophic consequences. It's funny watching FYRoM construct the building blocks of nation with the artifacts of mistaken Identities...funny but catastrophic in the long run.

FYRoM's attempts at acquiring a history for their new Slavic-country is likened in the same manner - a comedy of errors!

Sure, the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece is petty, until that is, it is your name that is being used without your consent, and in ways which undermine your fraternal links to it, your historic-rights also. A dispute over a name may seem petty, trivial, ridiculous and unimportant, but only to the Ignorant, because only Ignorance gives way to expediancy. FYRoM attempts to usurp the Macedonian-name in order to apply it to Slavic-speaking peoples who's Serbo-Bulgarian ancestors did not know this name when they first settled the Greco-Roman world at the top-end of the 6th Century A.D.

Nation building aka FYRoM style - shall go down in history as the worst, most crudest anti-Hellenic action ever undertaken by a Slavic country against Greece...it shall go down in history as the worst case example, building a Macedonian-Nation from a disparate-mosaic of differing ethnic-groups affiliating to the Slavic collective of peoples.

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Nick the Greek

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#9 Feb 20, 2013
FYRoM's Theme-Park approach to advancing National-Identity at the internal domestic level, brought out some home grown critics of the venture, but it was at the regional level where it had the most effect.

The conversion of Skopje into a Balkan style Disneyland Wonderland had mixed reactions across the region, with Greece being the most vocal and the most disapproving.

At the International level, FYRoM's efforts in the construction and display of some gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's were viewed with some dismay and discomfort. International support for FYRoM faded in an instant, diminished quite significantly.

At the domestic-level, regional-level and International-level...FYRoM's attempts at projecting and marketing it's National-Identity by the construction of giant plinths to house potent and powerful figures associated with a different peoples, namely ancient-Greeks and Medievil-Bulgarians, were criticized at all of them.

FYRoM's mix and match approach to marketing their much covetted Macedonian National-Identity, on the basis of that modern Skopje Theme-Park model...projects them as a somewhat intermediate-peoples, a cross somewhere between ancient-Greek and Medievil-Bulgarian, which is not that far removed from the biological and demographic reality.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs maybe the amalgam of some interaction [[by force][by free will]]between Greco-Romans wanting to protect Byzantium from the invader, and Slavo-Bulgarians wanting to settle their empire, may have produced an intermediate population there, where FYRoM is situated right now - a cross somewhere between Greek and Slav, with consciousness and collective-memories to both ethno-linguistic cultures.

One thing is for sure though, actually it's two things:(i) The Macedonian-Name belongs in the Greek domain and (ii) Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage...these are the two main principle anchors, two academic reference points that cannot be undone on the basis, there is abundance of material evidence out there which tie the Macedonian name to Greeks and Hellenism.

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Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#10 Feb 22, 2013
I would say Germans, like most peoples in most nations, really do care about maintaining tradition. I would say, most peoples in most countrys really do care about matters pertaining to cultural-inheritance, historic-rights and cultural-heritage.

I would say that most peoples in the world today, really do value their ages-old ways and traditions...unique-customs, belief-systems and behavioural patterns developed in the past but passed-on, generation to generation from their immediate ancestral maternal-paternal forebears.

I would say, maintaining tradition is important for national-pride and social-cohesion, when in the face of strong political pressures to dismantle them for multiculturalism, the host-culture gets trampled-on in the name of modernism cloaked under globalism.

Under immense pressures, the Greeks try to maintain as much of the old ways as possible, jealously guarding their national-history and heritage...a cultural-inheritance passed-on from their immediate ancestral forebears. Greeks are not the only ones that overtly defend and protect their ways, culture and traditions: Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Hindus, Persians, Chinese and Japanese do it too.

Like the Greeks...Armenians, Jews, Hindus, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components - name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association - were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia. Source: Anthony D. Smith British Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity LSE, Nationalism and Modernism, 2003, Cambridge University Press.

There has been a Hellenic presence in the Haemus [Greek] peninsula from since the primordial beginning. Greek culture and traditions have been passed-on from generation to generation for milleniums.

FYRoM's attempts at taking from the Greeks, elements from their cultural-heritage in order to pass those elements off as their own, riles the Greeks - as it would rile any peoples, any country, any nation that jealously guard their national-history and cultural-heritage.

Most peoples in most nations see the Greek positions holding the moral ethical and academic higher ground. FYRoM is seen internationally as the usurper of Greek history - something which has done them much harm.
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#12 Feb 23, 2013
Macedonia:Sharing the Name with Greek-Hating Peoples - Impossible.

Along with the Armenians, Jews, Persians, Hindus, Chinese and Japanese - Greeks share more in common with their ancestral forbears than say, the vast majority of modern people-groups do with their avowed ancestors. Take FYRoM for instance - the peoples there are undoubtedly Slavic, akin to Serbians and Bulgarians...socially-engineer ed and ethnically-manipulated to call themselves Macedonians, but Macedonians that have nothing in common with their ancient name-sakes.

The ancient-Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples, the modern-ones the same...yet the peoples of FYRoM have been brainwashed to self-Identify and self-determine as Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense and cultural-linguistic sense, when it is known, those Identity factors do not match with the ancient ones. On language, on geography, on race, on ethnicity, on culture - FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs have nothing in common with the ancient-ones.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs have been brainwashed by the state, Indoctrinated on Makedonism, an outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology which teaches young Slavic children there to see themselves as Macedonians and to see ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

FYRoM's so called Macedonian-Identity is an Indulgence, it rests on the twin alters of deception and revisionism, the foodstuffs which nourish and sustain their existence - without them, the FYRoM cause withers and dies into obscurity.

It is a deception to name FYRoM to Macedonia, when the geography there is Paeonia to the learned scholarly academic world.

It is a deception to name a Serbianized Bulgarian language to Macedonian-language, when it is Serbo-Bulgarian to the learned scholarly academic world.

It is an Indulgence to name a South-Slavic peoples ethnic-Macedonians, when it is known they are Slavic and foreign to Macedonia.

Residing in Paeonia for 1,400 years, from since the 6th Century AD, does empower any Slavic peoples to name themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense.

Macedonians have been Greek-speaking Hellenic-poeples from since the primordial beginning - we No share our regional-tribal names with Greek-hating peoples!
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#13 Feb 23, 2013
The Greeks are Macedonian by geography and by heritage, by language and by culture - Hellenic one and all...FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs cannot boast these connections and expect to be taken seriously. On geography they are Paeonians, on heritage they are Slavic, on language they are Serbo-Bulgarians and on culture, they share the same one with the rest of the South-Slavs. They became Macedonians in 1945 on the sheer will of those Communist-Slavists who demanded it. Initiated during the last years of WWII by Soviet era expansionist policies, Makedonism continues to this day, perpetuated in FYRoM by the hapless, simple-minded, poorly educated, largely indoctrinated descendants of raw Communists, who had eyes for Greek coastal waters that would give them access to the Aegean Sea. To this day, the mindset in FYRoM is that of, Macedonia is Slavic land and the Greeks only set-foot there in 1913. They believe Macedonians were proto-Slavic peoples, they also believe that their Serbo-Bulgarian language is the same one spoken in antiquity by Alexander the Great. Macedonians for them have always been Macedonians and never Greeks.

These peoples are dangerous...not to Greeks but to their own children pupils and students who walk the streets thinking Greeks stole their land, their history and their heritage. For them, Greeks are the enemy.

Five major conflicts were fought in the greater-Macedonian region from the turn of the past century. On each occasion the Slavic peoples there tried to take Greek territory by standing on the shoulders of stronger Allies: First with Bulgarians, then with the Central Powers, consisting of Germans, Austrians, Hungarians and Bulgarians [link to en.wikipedia.org ] then with the Axis Powers, consisting of Germans, Italians and Japanese,[link to en.wikipedia.org ] and then finally with Tito's Yugoslavia, consisting of federated South-Slavs. The United States and the free democratic European powers always stood by Greece in these conflicts. So it came as a huge blow to Greeks when in November 2004, the GW Bush administration recognized FYRoM as RoM, breaking with the tradition of supporting Greece and making American foreign policy appear double-sided and vulnerable to criticism, opening up questions over the integrity and credibility of that decision. Later, it was put down to poor, substandard ill thought-out advice but the damage had already been done.

To recognize a Slavic country like FYRoM as a Nation of Macedonians, when it is known, Macedonians have always been Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples was a major blow for Greeks, but what has it achieved in the long run - other than to bolster the ego of the Slavs there to go for the Cherry and claim the Illustrious history and heritage of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity - now look at the Mess we are in.
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#14 Feb 24, 2013
Greeces Western-partners and European-cousins backed FYRoM for one thing and one thing only - to integrate the young fledgling country into the Western-worlds most prestigeous economic and security structures of the EU and NATO...the Idea would have fascilitated stability in the Balkans and paved the way for the planning of future energy-routes that were being mapped to criss-cross the peninsula from sources originating in Central-Asia. The Greeks in their wisdom, allied themselves to Russian energy-routes which aided the FYRoM cause further, in the eyes of the West. From the Western-perspective, Russian dominance in the energy sector would have placed Western-Interests in the region at a disadvantage.

FYRoM's Western-backers, sponsors and supporters were willing to see Greece suffer the consequences straying away from the Western NATO Track. Greece had to go through the Indignation of having to defend it's National-Character from the barrage of insults being aired and sent to print in Western Press-Media circles.The assassination of the Greek National-Character went into full swing - the Greeks went from being seen as Friendly and Welcoming, God-fearing, Church-going, Family-orientated Southern-Europeans to Loathsome-peoples, Lying, Cheating, Lazy Southern-Europeans.

Greeks watched their National-Chracter being assassinated in Western Press-Media circles before their very eyes. And, on the back of the name-dispute with FYRoM, every Greek-hating Man and his Dog contributed something anti-Hellenic to put the Greeks down.

The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.

Looking back...the attacks on Greeks and Hellenism were carried out in the name of globalism - to get the Greeks to Conform to the plans Western Mind-Architects had in store for the Balkan [Haemus] Peninsula. When things were not going to plan, going too slow and too cumbersome, Greece was attacked in a different way - fiscally. In a concerted effort, the Greek economy became the target of the Prospectors and the Speculators, the now Politicized Banking Fraternity went for the Greek Jugular, they Fleeced the Greek economy to ruination in the name of Conformity.

But look now - Greece is now wired-in to the new vision for Europe, given the loans it needs to build anew...means Greece has reached a level of conformity deemed suitable for the West to keep the country on-side and on-track. As for the Greek peoples, well, they have always been anarchic and difficult to tame - the last of the European Millieu of peoples to take freedom seriously.
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#15 Feb 25, 2013
Germans distinguish FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs with the term Mazedonien, which is different to the way they do it. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazedonien

Broadly speaking, the general profile of a FYRoM [ex-Yugo] Slav goes hand in hand with the way they themselves self-describe in their own language. Makedonski-speaking Makedonci from Makedonija is the way they self-Identify, but never to foreigners, just to other-Slavs, which tansliterates into Macedonian-speaking Macedonian from Macedonia.

Greeks would be happy to accept these Identity-factors as a means to an end, to end the name-dispute between FYRoM and Greece which is still on-going even after 22 years of talks attempting to resolve the issue. The Slavs of FYRoM prefer, insist on the Anglocized profile rather than the Slavic one they themselves use.

It must be stressed - Greeks respect Slavic-peoples and admire Slavic contributions to world history, but our respect falls short of having to relinquish parts of our cultural-heritage to appease the national-Identity issues and self-determination aspirations of our nearest Slavic neighbour.

FYRoM takes things from Hellenism which never belonged to them in the first place...this riles the Greeks and Greece, as it would rile any European from any European-country!

Broadly speaking, FYRoM is a Slavic country with Slavic heritage and Slavic self-Identity - the Macedonian-Identity they covet, for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity does not bold well with those Slavic attributes.

Unless the peoples of FYRoM articulate their Slavic-Identity and accentuate their Slavic-heritage within the framework of a greater geographic regional Identity, nobody shall take them seriously.

Being Macedonian today means different things to different peoples - all Macedonians though, owe something to the ancient-Greeks...all Macedonians should show respect to the host-culture of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.
The white man

Atting, Germany

#16 Feb 25, 2013
Nick the Greek wrote:
Germans distinguish FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs with the term Mazedonien, which is different to the way they do it. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazedonien
Broadly speaking, the general profile of a FYRoM [ex-Yugo] Slav goes hand in hand with the way they themselves self-describe in their own language. Makedonski-speaking Makedonci from Makedonija is the way they self-Identify, but never to foreigners, just to other-Slavs, which tansliterates into Macedonian-speaking Macedonian from Macedonia.
Greeks would be happy to accept these Identity-factors as a means to an end, to end the name-dispute between FYRoM and Greece which is still on-going even after 22 years of talks attempting to resolve the issue. The Slavs of FYRoM prefer, insist on the Anglocized profile rather than the Slavic one they themselves use.
It must be stressed - Greeks respect Slavic-peoples and admire Slavic contributions to world history, but our respect falls short of having to relinquish parts of our cultural-heritage to appease the national-Identity issues and self-determination aspirations of our nearest Slavic neighbour.
FYRoM takes things from Hellenism which never belonged to them in the first place...this riles the Greeks and Greece, as it would rile any European from any European-country!
Broadly speaking, FYRoM is a Slavic country with Slavic heritage and Slavic self-Identity - the Macedonian-Identity they covet, for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity does not bold well with those Slavic attributes.
Unless the peoples of FYRoM articulate their Slavic-Identity and accentuate their Slavic-heritage within the framework of a greater geographic regional Identity, nobody shall take them seriously.
Being Macedonian today means different things to different peoples - all Macedonians though, owe something to the ancient-Greeks...all Macedonians should show respect to the host-culture of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.
Balkan clown you must have too much time. You should go to work, oh sorry, a Greek and work this fits not together! Please pollute with this shit your Greek forum.
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#17 Feb 25, 2013
There are more self-taught classicist-historians in FYRoM than anywhere else in the world - almost 80% of the population there profess to know more about ancient-Greeks than their time-served certificated Western counterparts.

Almost every other person in FYRoM acquired the skill and the ability to recite the works of Homer almost word perfect, but for the few misinterpretations deposited there.

FYRoM's state sponsored Slavist-schools teach one type of history and one type only - Pseudo-history! their version, the wrong version...the FYRoM version. Everything you ever wanted to know about Hellenism and the ancient-Greeks, simply ask a FYRoM ex-Yugoslav, they profess to know everything there is to know about the Hellenic-peoples.

In FYRoM, they profess to know alot about Greeks but next to nothing about themselves...like where they come from, where they originate, who their ancestors were.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs are a South-Slavic peoples with roots and connections to the earliest known Slavic-tribes that first settled the Greco-Roman world back in the 6th Century AD. Like their language, their heritage is Slavic but the peoples there believe it is Macedonian with roots and connections to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

State sponsored propaganda in FYRoM has churned out generation after generation with a belief system they are the true descendants of the ancient-Macedonians.

What to do...???

Do Nothing - just sit back and watch them do their Silliness until they do something so extreme, so pathetic and ridiculously Silly, the Slavic race will simply reject them from their collective. No Slavic peoples are that Silly they confuse the ancient-Macedonians with FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs.
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#18 Feb 26, 2013
Macedonia: What the Macedonians did for Hellenism.

Hellenic-Macedonians try to protect their Macedonian culture and Identity from being assumed, appropriated and usurped by a small recently established Slavic-Statelet that somehow managed to gain support and backing for their cause from radicalized sponsors East and West.

In the face of strong multifaceted attempts to de-Hellenize Macedonians, the Hellenic ones fight hard to keep their name in the Greek domain. They fight equally as hard to keep their Identity assigned to Greek heritage. Macedonian culture and Identity are not Slavic...go ask the Hellenic-Macedonians that still live in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

I admire them, praise them and commend them for standing-up to forces both political and clandestine...an alliance set-up for purpose to detach Macedonian culture and Identity from their primordial Hellenic ancestral base.

A small number of compromised Western classicist-historians added voice to the pseudo-history that was being scripted to cast doubt on the Greek-Hellenic credentials of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Those descending voices have since been silenced by an impressive number of International-scholars who were willing to put pen to paper to endorse academically, the Greek-Hellenic Identity of the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, nullifying in an instant opposing views.

I appreciate and respect the Hellenic-Macedonians for fighting hard to defend and protect their culture and Identity from being assumed, appropriated and usurped by the peoples of a newly established Slavic country, home to Slavic-speakers in search of Identity.

I salute the Hellenic-Macedonians for resisting hard, multifaceted initiatives attempting to erase them from the demographic history of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula.

What the Hellenic-Macedonians did for Hellenism cannot be assigned to Slavs and pseudo-history. On their command - I fight with them, for them. On their command - all Greeks shall fight with them, for them!
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#19 Mar 2, 2013
Some countries have reason to be proud of their National-history. History is important. The memory of some event(s) ages-past, carried forward into the future, passed-on from one generation to the next generation, in tribute or in ceremony, in remembrance or in commemoration, or in just the sheer celebration of it, history is important. National-Identity and National-culture are formed from it. National-pride and Social-cohesion depend on it. History is important.

When FYRoM messes with the histories of it's neighbours, taking elements from them which did not belong to FYRoM in the first place, causes ripples and upsets the balance.

From Greece, it takes Alexander the Great, his father King Phillip of Macedon, Saint Cyril and Saint Methodius. From Bulgaria, it takes Tsar Samuil. From Albania, it takes Mother Teresa. By mixing and matching bits and pieces from it's neighbours histories in order to construct a National-history of it's own, pleases nobody and upsets everyone.

Greece is not the only country FYRoM has issues with!

In the interests of Balkan peace, harmony and a better tomorrow, I suggest FYRoM stops the Silliness and gives back to Greece, it's national hero's and the Macedonian-name. To Bulgaria, it should give back Tsar Samuil, and to Albania, it should give back Mother Teresa.

FYRoM should script itself a history and a heritage without having to take elements from different peoples National-histories and cultural-heritages.

FYRoM cannot build a National-Identity on the stolen parts of it's neighbours National-histories.

History is important...National-Culture and National-Identity form from it, National-pride and Social-cohesion depend on it - What does this tell us about FYRoM ?
Nick the Greek

North Shields, UK

#20 Mar 3, 2013
Those who know about Macedonia know - Macedonia is the name of an ancient-Greek Kingdom that was once ruled over by Alexander the Great, the son of King Phillip of Macedon.

Those who know about Macedonia know - Macedonia today is a large geographical region covering an area approximately 26,000 square miles. The region today includes FYRoM which covers 38% of the territory, plus a portion of Bulgaria called Pirin which covers 9% of it. Combined, the Slavic contingent [[FYRoM][Bulgaria]] hold 47% of greater-Macedonian territory. Greece holds 52% and Albania a miniscule 1%. The NoN-Slavic contingent [[Greece][Albania]] hold 53% of the total territory of geographic-Macedonia.

Those who know about Macedonia know - Greece holds the most part of the now extended territory of Macedonia which translate on the ground as three peripheries, political-subdivisions called West, Central and East-Macedonia. This is where the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon lay...as described by Strabo, the ancient-geographer in his book Fragments VII.

Those who know about Macedonia know - Macedonians were just another subdivision of the Greek-Hellenic peoples. The Northernmost Dorian-Greeks who defended the Hellenic world from barbarian invasions and attacks. The Southernmost Dorian-Greeks were the Spartans...Macedonians and Spartans derive from the same Dorian-Greek stock.

Those who know about Macedonia know - FYRoM is not Macedonia but Paeonia and Dardania. The latin-Romans incorported these lands into an administrative district they labelled Macedonia II Salutaris, which transliterates to the Second-Macedonia or Beneficial-Macedonia because it was an add-on. The original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon the Romans kept Greek and distinct by labelling it Macedonia-Prima, meaning the first and foremost Macedonia.

Those who know about FYRoM know - FYRoM is a political construct created by Communist-Slavists during the last years of WWII in wartime Yugoslavia.

Those who know about FYRoM know - There is nothing Macedonian in FYRoM, not the land, not the peoples. The peoples there derive from [[Serbian][Bulgarian]] Slavic stock.

Those who know about the Name Dispute between FYRoM and Greece know - FYRoM attempts to usurp the name, the history and the heritage of the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. They fight hard to make an ancient-Greek name, their very own sovereign state name. They fight hard to make the Macedonian-name the name of their new Slavic-country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Those who know about Greeks know - Greeks are unruly and difficult to tame...Take Macedonia away from the Greeks and you make an enemy of them. FYRoM made the Greek-Hellenic peoples their enemy by opting to take something Hellenic away from Hellenism. Now look at them!
praetor

El Monte, CA

#21 Mar 3, 2013
Nick the Greek wrote:
A Macedonian nation outside of Hellenism has never existed in historical verity, to create one now would be considered anethema, Greeks would simply not permit it, they would view such a venture as an abomination, an anti-Hellenic action, a travesty of the recorded history of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula.
To create a Macedonian nation state now, and then people it with NoN-Greeks, with rights to the historical legacy of the ancient-Macedonians would be a cause for the Greeks to take-up arms.
FYRoM does not have the right to wantonly usurp another peoples regional-tribal name...whilst it does have the right of self-determination, it cannot pick a name that is already in use and known to belong to another peoples, a native indigenous, racially different peoples with land and ancestry ties to the region.
Macedonians have been self-determined Greeks for more than 3 Milleniums whilst the Slavs of FYRoM became Macedonians under dubious circumstances in 1945.
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been Slavic from since the 6th Century AD...for 1,400 years. Their parent-ethnicity has been Slavic for 1, 332 years until it was changed for them in 1945. For 68 years, they have used the Macedonian name self-Identify with.
I say again: Macedonians have been self-determined Greeks for more than 3 milleniums. FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs...from since 1945, and under the strict coercive influences of the Communist-Slavist elite ruling WWII wartime Yugoslavia.
regarding your argument of societies outside if hellenism syracuse, Naples, calabria, etc could argue Hellenistic heritage. I see you point but hellenism touched the Mediterranean. I don't thus country having any rights to the ahead dynasty or its clear Greek heritage. Pudding this issue and expansionist propaganda is only to destabilize the Balkans and incite conflict.its absurd but an ignorant and willing body can accomplish horrible things when lied to thru revisionism. Nazi Germany for example. Manifest destiny as anotheras a Greek American. Thus us not good for anyone.

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