Nord Stream pipeline to be built in line with schedule - Putin

[tarmo]

Evening Express wrote:

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The proposition that started this entire thread was that Russia may very well be better off in the long run by restricting its gas exports, since it would encourage internationals such as BASF to relocate their operations to Russia. Russian gas is still their cheapest alternative even with the transport and risk premiums added. If there's less Russian gas supplied, then BASF's cost increases for alternate supply. HOWEVER, when the risk and transport premiums are subtracted for Russian domestic supply and that supply is used for domestic production, then there IS a feedstock cost advantage to Russia but an advantage that IS within the WTO rules. The intermediate or finished product produced can now be exported sans the risk premium and with a reduced transport cost, since it now moves via everyday rail/truck/barge transport. So, there IS a cost advantage but one that cannot be defined as dumping by WTO definition.

Indeed. But only without the government restricting gas exports for economic reasons. There is always a cost advantage for Russia for as long as oil production is cheaper than world market price - market prices also depend on location. There is no need for the government to get involved on the border (and that is also not allowed by WTO). And no need for vertical enterprises either.

Evening Express wrote:

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That advantage coupled with labor costs, etc. can, under the right circumstance, make it very attractive to move production.

Sure.

Evening Express wrote:

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Country A has the capacity to produce 1,000,000 MT's of oil in a month. Country A's government issues permits for only 800,000 MT's because of your 'ecological' reasons and for reservoir management. That leaves 800,000 MT (the new base number) to be allocated by whatever means for domestic and export markets together.
Upstream simply and loosely means that the capacity was cut by 200,000 MT prior to the production.

The spread of that diminished 200000 MT over domestic and export markets has to be decided by markets, not by the government.

[nicos]

==export markets has to be decided by markets, not by the government.==

EU and US will make orders for Russia only after they conquerer it. So far, Russians themselves will decide through elections what to do with their own resources and how many missiles with nukes to build to defend them from western orders.

[Why_Me]

nicos wrote:

==export markets has to be decided by markets, not by the government.==
EU and US will make orders for Russia only after they conquerer it. So far, Russians themselves will decide through elections what to do with their own resources and how many missiles with nukes to build to defend them from western orders.

Russian elections???

LMAO!!!

Please don't make me laugh so hard. Russian elections... HA HA HA

[Aussie]

Krishnamurty wrote:

Russian Gazprom and Russia are trying all tactics to frustrate Ukraine's development of its own oil and gas resources.

US do the same everywhere in the world. That is called competition now. Russia has all the rights to do that.

[Aussie]

Why_Me wrote:

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Russian elections???
LMAO!!!
Please don't make me laugh so hard. Russian elections... HA HA HA

American elections???

LMAO

ha-ha-ha

[tarmo]

nicos wrote:

==export markets has to be decided by markets, not by the government.==
EU and US will make orders for Russia only after they conquerer it. So far, Russians themselves will decide through elections what to do with their own resources and how many missiles with nukes to build to defend them from western orders.

WTO members have themselves accepted the WTO rules. Russia must decide if it wants to be a member of WTO or not. Current members have to decide if they want to have Russia in WTO or not.

Plutonium and nukes are not for free market. Uranium might require free market between certain countries.

[nicos]

Russia will NEVER join the organization because it's harmful for its economy.
There is a huge opposition in Russia against the WTO.
It will happen never!
Just Russia cannot refuse from the negotiations because it can be negative impact on its image.
The negotiations will continue FOREVER while the WTO exists.

[Swedish_Viking]

Vovchik wrote:

And NEVER will be transported by ANY means of transportation facilities.
2 days ago Putin ordered to redirect ALL transportations streams to bypass ALL the Baltic states.
You are economically dead. Estonia has 30% GDP from the services.

Chic,

Sweden and Finlands helps out. Economically, russia is a midget with just one main source of revenue - oil & gas. Swedish and Finnish companies invest heavily in Estonia - 2005 Swedish companies stood for 53% of foreign investment in Estonia, Finland with 21% and russia with less than 2%. The thw countries that are most important for Estonia is Sweden and Finland and we support Estonia all the way.

[Stefanya]

Ostap wrote:

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It relates directly. Baltic states are in s*t yet and will be in s*t even deeper very very soon. Especially Estonia because you trespassed all the basic human rules and became no more than animals.

Amen!

[Stefanya]

Aussie wrote:

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American elections???
LMAO
ha-ha-ha

I know what you mean. The last two were travesties.

[Swedish_Viking]

nicos wrote:

==export markets has to be decided by markets, not by the government.==
EU and US will make orders for Russia only after they conquerer it. So far, Russians themselves will decide through elections what to do with their own resources and how many missiles with nukes to build to defend them from western orders.

Nicos? A russian greek mongol rat? Elections? russians just think they can vote and that´s because most of the russian population, genetically, are retarded. The russians are only allowed to vote on what their dear leader "führer" puttin think thay can vote on. So the russians think they have a choice... but they haven't. How stupid can russians be??? The neanderthals were more intelligent than russians. If the german and nordic tribes, haplogroup R1B, hadn´t finished off the neanderthals, the slavs, haplogroup R1A, would have been exterminated by the neanderthals... What a "great" people! Ha ha ha ha!

[Krishnamurty]

Swedish trash was just a bunch of humbled servants of Ukrainian Cossacks. And you betrayed us at Poltava, scums!

[Swedish_Viking]

Morning Express wrote:

Do you really think BASF didn't explore joint venture deals with transit countries before joining Nord Stream? Do you really think they're that stupid?
The political risk was just not worth it. They deemed Russia the reliable partner when they committed to the undersea project, not some quarrelsome middlemen in spite of their being in the EU. What does THAT tell you?

Basf hasn´t explored any joint venture with Swedish companies and no Swedish company would join such a joint venture. Tge Swedish government will say no to the pipeline - that's the position it has taken and the position it will go for. Nord stream must have Swedens permit, otherwise they can't build the pipeline... Who will object? russia? Well nord stream is a swiss company so nord stream will have to ask the swiss government for help... Ha ha ha ha!

[Krishnamurty]

Who cares abot the Swedish companies? You all are nothing in Europe yet.

[M_A_X_I_M]

Swedish_Viking wrote:

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Basf hasn´t explored any joint venture with Swedish companies and no Swedish company would join such a joint venture. Tge Swedish government will say no to the pipeline - that's the position it has taken and the position it will go for. Nord stream must have Swedens permit, otherwise they can't build the pipeline... Who will object? russia? Well nord stream is a swiss company so nord stream will have to ask the swiss government for help... Ha ha ha ha!

You had a pap in your had!
Be sure, will be all right.
http://www.nord-stream.com/news_detail.html... [tt_news]=428&tx_ttnews[ba ckPid]=35&cHash=cb9a42b6b2
Otherwise we can bypass the "Swedish Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ)".

[M_A_X_I_M]

Swedish_Viking wrote:

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Basf hasn´t explored any joint venture with Swedish companies and no Swedish company would join such a joint venture. Tge Swedish government will say no to the pipeline - that's the position it has taken and the position it will go for. Nord stream must have Swedens permit, otherwise they can't build the pipeline... Who will object? russia? Well nord stream is a swiss company so nord stream will have to ask the swiss government for help... Ha ha ha ha!

http://www.nord-stream.com/news_list.html
08 April

[Swedish_Viking]

Krishnamurty wrote:

Who cares abot the Swedish companies? You all are nothing in Europe yet.

Says who? Compared to whom? I guess that you dont know anything about Swedish companies, as for everything else that is... You are like a drunk parrot. Ericsson has a 40% global market share on telephony systems and Volvo Trucks is the second largest truck company in the worls just to make a few examples. Carry on in under developed conutry!

[Swedish_Viking]

M_A_X_I_M wrote:

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You had a pap in your had!
Be sure, will be all right.
http://www.nord-stream.com/news_detail.html... [tt_news]=428&tx_ttnews[ba ckPid]=35&cHash=cb9a42b6b2
Otherwise we can bypass the "Swedish Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ)".

???- this doesn´t say anything. nord streams problem is that they have to have permission from the Swedish state and so far they haven´t recieved that. Sure, bypass us... Then the only alternative is the Estonian EEZ... Ha ha ha ha!

[Swedish_Viking]

M_A_X_I_M wrote:

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http://www.nord-stream.com/news_list.html
08 April

Same, same... You know - when nord stream sent it´s first application to the Swedish government, Sweden just sent it back, saying that the application was in such bad quality that it wasn´t worth looking into... A second application hasn´t come yet... Ha ha ha ha!

[tarmo]

M_A_X_I_M wrote:

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http://www.nord-stream.com/news_list.html
08 April

There are really two important points that Nord Stream has to fulfil to hope to get permits:

1. make a comparison with possible alternative landroutes.
2. the pipe has to be fully insured by a third party. Some trillions of EUR is a good start for the insurance cap.