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polscience
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I dont understand how can russian citizens live on territory of georgia their entire life. it is illegal .If you are russian live in russia. If you want to go to a foregn country you have to get a visa or ask for their own citizenship. that is not a soviet empire any more and those primitive tactics do not seem to work very well any more., " russia has to defend its own citizens " - what ?>???- it sounds like if something happens to chinese in a chinatown New york, china has to intervene,. that does not make sense. who do they think they are.
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levi
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polscience wrote: I dont understand how can russian citizens live on territory of georgia their entire life. it is illegal .If you are russian live in russia. If you want to go to a foregn country you have to get a visa or ask for their own citizenship. that is not a soviet empire any more and those primitive tactics do not seem to work very well any more., " russia has to defend its own citizens " - what ?>???- it sounds like if something happens to chinese in a chinatown New york, china has to intervene,. that does not make sense. who do they think they are. Agree with 100%, all about is Russia's idiotic politics,why they do not take them away from our soil and have them in Russia. Yes, time is coming my friend, we gonna comeback in next 3 years and nothing gonna stop us, only thing we have is our soil and our religion and we stand for that 14 centuries, only thing that breaks my heard is split Georgia we have today, stupid opposition man stupid opposition.
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levi
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sorry I should put 16 centuries instead of 14 centuries.
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Glenn Ivan
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Oh Russia would do anything to create instability in another country and then say oh it is our right to protect our citizens. Russian would do anything in its power to put together the Evil Empire with Iron Rule.
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levi
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Glenn Ivan wrote: Oh Russia would do anything to create instability in another country and then say oh it is our right to protect our citizens. Russian would do anything in its power to put together the Evil Empire with Iron Rule. True
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Canuck
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People living in Abkhazia and South Ossetia are Independent of Georgia.
Goggie Sraakashvilli is just blowing words out his a$$ when he questions this and he questions that. What a moron.
The people of South Ossetia and Abkhazia are glad to be rid of the yoke of oppression which they had to endure while they were illegally occupied by the evil beasts of Goggia.
If Kosovo could claim independence, so can Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
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evprince
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let me make it clear. when the US recognizes kosovo they dont make it one of their states and dont put there their military bases. when south ossetia and abhkazia say that they want to become independent at the same time they always say that they want to reunite with "mother russia". so whats the point of becoming independent if you want to enter the russian federation,??!!. the point is that this everything is made up by russian imperialists and it is in their interests NOT in interest of some fictional nation that they made up of some caucasian tribes during the russian empire. they tell georgians to go away but please make it clear go where ? dissappear ? unlike russia they dont have vast lands that they stole from other nations. that is a little piece of land where they live and it is the only secular democracy in the region. it blocks russias access to the middle east and the existance of a sovereign state in that region is against russia's interests even if the country will be pro russian. that is why they are trying to stirr things up. I think its time for them to let other people live their lives.
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Canuck
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Georgia is hardly the champion of human rights in South Ossetia and Abhkazia. Georgia is seen as the oppressor and Russia as their saviour and rightfully so.
As for Kosovo independence, it is contrary to international law. Nobody is surprised that this criminal act is supported by the U.S. and some of the other western countries because any instability along Russia's borders is viewed as a positive event by the U.S. and their lapdogs.
South Ossetian and Abhkazian democratic will to be independent and free of Georgian oppression will be protected and recognized by all democratic and law abiding nations of the world.
The problem Goggia is that it is intent on being a thorn in the arse of its peace loving nations and this wins the approval of the U.S.A.
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evprince
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uuh. you are so sick that you believe in your own lies. it is very sad. abkhazia and south ossetia are places where people were ethnically cleansed with the help of russian "peacekeepers" and democracy has nothing to do there. people's houses are still being burnt, people are still being robbed, tortured,raped and murdered. it is a center of drug realisation and money laundering. if they will become independent they will join russia, thats what they are saying. it means that the real goal is not to achieve independence, but to cecede from georgia,and unite with russia according to the russian establishments wishes and interests.
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Canuck
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South Ossetia and Abhkazia have already seceded from Georgia. Should these independent countries wish to join Russia in any type of agreements, negotiations between them will take place.
It is likely that security and ecomomic issues will probably be discussed.
In any case, Georgia is the real looser in all this thanks to dictator Srakasvilli.
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evprince
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dictator is your putin. the former GKB thug who can not stand a different opinion and trys to rebuild the evil soviet empire but it is impossible.
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Gregory London
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Glenn Ivan wrote: Oh Russia would do anything to create instability in another country and then say oh it is our right to protect our citizens. Russian would do anything in its power to put together the Evil Empire with Iron Rule. Absolutely right!
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Gregory London
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Canuck wrote: South Ossetia and Abhkazia have already seceded from Georgia. Should these independent countries wish to join Russia in any type of agreements, negotiations between them will take place.
It is likely that security and ecomomic issues will probably be discussed.
In any case, Georgia is the real looser in all this thanks to dictator Srakasvilli. I totally disagree because Saakashvili and his government were not in charge when Georgia first faced the problems in Abkhazia and Samachablo (so called "South Ossetia"). Saakashvili's government has been in power for only as little as 4 years! Secondly Abkhazia and Samachablo STILL REMAIN as parts of Georgia and as it is NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF RUSSIA to provoke any conflicts in its Dnepr region, it won'r agree to the independence of the two Georgian regions. Consequently, Abkhazia and Samachablo will NOT BE ABLE TO DECLARE "INDEPENDENCE."
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Canuck
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Gregory London wrote: <quoted text>
I totally disagree because Saakashvili and his government were not in charge when Georgia first faced the problems in Abkhazia and Samachablo (so called "South Ossetia"). Saakashvili's government has been in power for only as little as 4 years!
Secondly Abkhazia and Samachablo STILL REMAIN as parts of Georgia and as it is NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF RUSSIA to provoke any conflicts in its Dnepr region, it won'r agree to the independence of the two Georgian regions. Consequently, Abkhazia and Samachablo will NOT BE ABLE TO DECLARE "INDEPENDENCE." But South Ossetia and Abhkazia have already seceded from Georgia and have declared their independence from Georgia via a democratic vote. I agree it is not in the interest of Russia to get involved in an armed conflict in the region unless it is to protect the democratic will of the people of South Ossetia and Abhkazia to be free of Georgia. Saakasvilli is bending over backwards for the U.S.A. in hopes of becoming their offical lapdog. The U.S.A. would love to see instability and unrest along Russian borders and the disgruntled ex-Soviet states would dearly love to please their master, the U.S.A..
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polscience
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they are not american lapdogs because the US treats them like partners unlike russia who treats everyone like a dirt with a "BIG BROTHER ATTITUDE". thats the big difference between the US and russia. the US can be equal partners with just about anyone no matter the size or power. that is something russian mentality will never understand... their tactics are just as primitive as years ago.
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Slimonone
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The Independent Republic of Georgia's in a tough spot with Russian troops, acting as peacekeepers, occupying two of it's provinces and covertly supporting pro-Russian rebels. The legitimate government in Tblisi can never retake the two provinces as long as the threat of Russian intervention to protect their interest remains. Of course, Georgia's strong and strengthening ties to the West can deter any further move by Russia into Georgia. It's a a standoff where the people of Abhkasia and S. Ossetia will continue to suffer far into the future. The recent rash of bombings in both provinces attest to that. In the latest round, it would seem that Russia objects to Georgia's unmanned recon aircraft flying over the provinces.
There seems to be little the United States can do to end this situation.
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vartanom
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I think it is time to talk about peace, not war. Or it will be 100 year war with no end. Time for the compromise, time for the negotiations.
Abkhazians, Georgians , Osetians, Russians will alwayas live in that region.
Politicians have to meet, find solution.
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David
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Hi Guys, Russians are living still in 19th century, vodka and Huraaa! Their politics reminds me of medieval ages, divine and rule. Do they really think that anyone believes in their bullsit? Why Abkhazia should be independent and not the following autonomous republics in Russia: 1. Adygea 2. Altai 3. Bashkortostan 4. Buryatia 5. Dagestan 6. Ingushetia 7. Kabardino-Balkaria 8. Kalmykia 9. Karachay-Cherkessia 10. Karelia 11. Komi 12. Mari El 13. Mordovia 14. Sakha (Yakutia) 15. North Ossetia-Alania 16. Tatarstan 17. Tuva 18. Udmurtia 19. Khakassia 20. Chechnya 21. Chuvashia Then answer is again Russians dirty game of selective independence. I think Georgia should announce the independence of the above mentioned republics and supply them with guns. And Europe should support the plan. You can't wait how Russian army budget is getting filled with petrol money. Rich Russia is dangerous, we all have to keep them weak!
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Andrew
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polscience wrote: I dont understand how can russian citizens live on territory of georgia their entire life. it is illegal .If you are russian live in russia. If you want to go to a foregn country you have to get a visa or ask for their own citizenship. that is not a soviet empire any more and those primitive tactics do not seem to work very well any more., " russia has to defend its own citizens " - what ?>???- it sounds like if something happens to chinese in a chinatown New york, china has to intervene,. that does not make sense. who do they think they are. I dont understand how can russian citizens live on territory of georgia their entire life. it is illegal .If you are russian live in russia.- I can help you to understand. Imagine that your country broke apart and your home town is not a USA territory any more. Now it is, say, Newest Mexico. You will turn into an illegal emigrant on your own land...
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Andrew
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levi wrote: <quoted text>
Agree with 100%, all about is Russia's idiotic politics,why they do not take them away from OUR soil and have them in Russia.
Yes, time is coming my friend, we gonna comeback in next 3 years and nothing gonna stop us, only thing we have is our soil and our religion and we stand for that 14 centuries, only thing that breaks my heard is split Georgia we have today, stupid opposition man stupid opposition. For those who was born and is living there it is the only soil they have. It is THEIR soil, not American- sorry.
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