Georgian lessons for Belarusians

Oct 10, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Charter97

Transparent elections recognized by the West are so rare on post-Soviet space, that considered to be a historical event.

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Even in the brandy country, people managed to vote properly.
However, we can not say the same about the other dives. Especially, Ukrainka.
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Pesky army wrote:
Even in the brandy country, people managed to vote properly.
However, we can not say the same about the other dives. Especially, Ukrainka.
Belarus & Ukraine politics are not democratic or free, your absolutely right. Putins way of doing business is scary. Look at Chechnya 5,000 citizens pick up arms against Russia's best special forces after the conscripts failed and still the Chechnyans spanked them. If Putin had not of bribed the current warlord (dictator) to kill the other war lords that place would still be bogging down the Russian military embarrassment after embarrassment. Theirs a video in line that shows the last captured spesnaz ruskies about 20 of them being pardon by a warlord only if the Russian mothers come get them, and they did. What blows me away is all there ages. They all looked 18 years old, I imagine it is difficult to get wiser and older men to do the bidding of a dictator, I suppose it cuts down on embarrassing defections and retreats in battle. In Ukraine I predict the unpopular president wins by 70% support, uncannily current free polls show him at 4% and falling. Sad times for Ukrainian freedom.
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The lesson is that georgy porgys should stick with their wise leaders and forget backward ukrainka flea dogs and belarusians peasants. Especially since Georgia is an ancient kingdom while these two shyt states have never been anything significant nor ever will be.
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Georgia held transparent elections because Georgians aren't Slavs. Dumb Slavs know nothing of democracy.
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What lessons? Minsk should attack Vitebsk and the US will shower Lukashenko with aid and McCain will call us all Belarussians? LOL

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Why are you always so down on Georgia??? I'm not a fan of Saakashvili, but I don't see why that should result in taking anti Georgian positions

Isn't there anything nice you have to say about it?
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Saakashvili is a war criminal.
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Saakashvili is a war criminal.
Regardless of person views of the man, the way the Russian foreign minister talks about him (he literally looses his cool and freaks out like child throwing a temper tantrum). This type of behavior and Russias failed assassination attempts show he must be doing something right... First thought the Putin government is pissed because they can't set up a puppet government and steel yet another countries assets and resources. The prez is tight with McCain from the states too from their school days so my thoughts are he is actually protecting the Georgian people over all like him or not. Anything that causes the Russian mafia govt to freak out on is a good sign reference politics.
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At least he doesn't speak Russian and act like the current Ukrainian prez who is attempting to switch Ukrainian books and words for Russian. Shame on him, a sovereign nations identity being temporarily hijacked and forcing a divide on the population. Conquer and divide BS.
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Oct 11, 2012
 
Is that the best you've got?
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Oct 14, 2012
 
The only lesson to be learned from Georgia is that Russia will, whever she wants, trump up a reason and invade. The second part of the lesson is that, under the present administration, the U.S. does not have the guts to support her allies. End of lessons.

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Warrior Poet UG X wrote:
The only lesson to be learned from Georgia is that Russia will, whever she wants, trump up a reason and invade. The second part of the lesson is that, under the present administration, the U.S. does not have the guts to support her allies. End of lessons.
If you`re a rusophobic scumbag that doesn`t mean should be stupid as STA.

The war in Goergia was in Augest 2008 when Bush the junior was in office.

The present administration has nothing to do with that.

It`s more likely this - lack of guts is a common problem for all Americans.

USSR did support Cuba inspite of bad odds to win nuclear war with USA.
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Warrior Poet UG X wrote:
The only lesson to be learned from Georgia is that Russia will, whever she wants, trump up a reason and invade. The second part of the lesson is that, under the present administration, the U.S. does not have the guts to support her allies. End of lessons.
Utter nonsense.
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Alexey25 wrote:
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If you`re a rusophobic scumbag that doesn`t mean should be stupid as STA.
The war in Goergia was in Augest 2008 when Bush the junior was in office.
The present administration has nothing to do with that.
It`s more likely this - lack of guts is a common problem for all Americans.
USSR did support Cuba inspite of bad odds to win nuclear war with USA.
Funny logic.
... Use Cuba's pretance as a fellow communist nation to deploy nukes countering the US placement of nukes in Turkey and abroad. Remember the other 100 battlefield nukes that even the ruskies realized after the fact they screwed up and needed to get them out because Fidel was clinically suicidal. Mutual Global destruction for one mans communist version of freedom. American bravery or guts can't be truly measured by current media or history books that leave out facts most being highly restricted intelligence knowledge that the world will never know. JFK looks like a national hero for being rational at the cost of stripping the CIA of its recklessness and ability to act on its own, recall he transferred lots of their duties to the defense establishment at which the prez is commander in chief thus respected regimentaly with out question. Judge the actions of the troops while serving abroad compare Russians to Americans and its a night and day contrast by acts of American kindness. Russians have no mercy on live stalk or non combatants. Even the Russian Afghan war they cyanided water supplies quite the contrast to the American hearts and minds campaign. When Russia invaded Georgia what was with their blue helmets? Pretending to be authorized by the United Nations as peacekeepers! What a media BS frenzy. They should have shown the Georgians defending their soveurnty by destroying the first wave of fighter bombers and a complete Russian tank column that was beginning to stage an offense. Ironic how the Russians stood down to the US Mediterranean fleet. Scared of getting embarrassing loses on global tv. The land the Russians took on the Black Sea has constructed new resorts all that drama for a vacation spot and South Ossetia's clear Russian corruption..........

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Oct 16, 2012
 
The fact is that Soviet misiles should be fueled during a half an hour before to be launched.
Actaully USA could easily destroyed all of them, getting only 4 strikes in relaliation from intercontinental missiles Luna, which USSR had only 4 ones that time.
But it always like this with USA - they are brave while dealing with the weak like Serbia and shit their pants when they face someone equal them like USSR.

If it was backwards, USSR woudn`t negotiate with USA at all, simply had it`s missiles annihilated.

It was also enough for USSR to have 4 submarines with nuclear torpedos in Atlantics to break the blockade of Cuba.
All US fleet was hunting those submarines while Soviet transports were coming to Cuba.

USSR had got an indestructible carrier near USA as a result.

Yanks are cowards.
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Alexey25 wrote:
The fact is that Soviet misiles should be fueled during a half an hour before to be launched.
Actaully USA could easily destroyed all of them, getting only 4 strikes in relaliation from intercontinental missiles Luna, which USSR had only 4 ones that time.
But it always like this with USA - they are brave while dealing with the weak like Serbia and shit their pants when they face someone equal them like USSR.
If it was backwards, USSR woudn`t negotiate with USA at all, simply had it`s missiles annihilated.
It was also enough for USSR to have 4 submarines with nuclear torpedos in Atlantics to break the blockade of Cuba.
All US fleet was hunting those submarines while Soviet transports were coming to Cuba.
USSR had got an indestructible carrier near USA as a result.
Yanks are cowards.
Serbia is not a good example all the operations conducted in Croatia starting in 1992 to Bosnia where conducted by the United Nations and approved by the Security Council including Russia and China. There was "NO" U.S. boots on the ground until the United Nations Protection Force proved it could not stop the ethnic cleansing by all waring sides and peacekeepers would up in body bags. When the 10% of Kosovo Serbs began ethnically cleansing the 90% Muslims that's when the US and a lot of NATO countries stopped the blood shed. They did in two weeks what the world failed to do in years of blue helmet novel attempts. That my friend showed United States leadership and courage in times where Russia chose a side and stood with the Serbs, Hungary entered NATO by stopping the Russian shipments of Mig 29's and fuel deliveries on route to Serbia proper. Kind of like in Syria how Russia's delivering weapons and gear to the Assad regime. To call them cowards is the farthest from the truth. They saved thousands of lives and destroyed the Serbian infrastructure thus creating thousands of rebuilding jobs and preoccupying soldiers with rebuilding. Very complicated but there was no financial gain strictly a moral compass decision by the democratically elected United States president and I say well done and shame on the UN for being toothless as there peacekeepers where taking hostage and some murdered- actions of the Arkan Tigers and Scorpions ask any Serb who's heart isn't filled with hate.
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Alexey25 wrote:
The fact is that Soviet misiles should be fueled during a half an hour before to be launched.
Actaully USA could easily destroyed all of them, getting only 4 strikes in relaliation from intercontinental missiles Luna, which USSR had only 4 ones that time.
But it always like this with USA - they are brave while dealing with the weak like Serbia and shit their pants when they face someone equal them like USSR.
If it was backwards, USSR woudn`t negotiate with USA at all, simply had it`s missiles annihilated.
It was also enough for USSR to have 4 submarines with nuclear torpedos in Atlantics to break the blockade of Cuba.
All US fleet was hunting those submarines while Soviet transports were coming to Cuba.
USSR had got an indestructible carrier near USA as a result.
Yanks are cowards.
Where is USSR now buddy?? Oh I forgot they list the Cold War and bankrupted themselves. As for a power house of effective weaponry and assets we all scene Sadam's USSR equipment go up against the States and how they where obliterated off the battlefield with out inflicting any real casualties. Why do you think the Russians backed down to the US in Georgia. They scrambled the Russian nuke scuds because they know there's no chance in hell of winning a single battle. Except through weapons of mass destruction making any conflict irrational and suicidal.

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Jay wrote:
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Where is USSR now buddy?? Oh I forgot they list the Cold War and bankrupted themselves. As for a power house of effective weaponry and assets we all scene Sadam's USSR equipment go up against the States and how they where obliterated off the battlefield with out inflicting any real casualties. Why do you think the Russians backed down to the US in Georgia. They scrambled the Russian nuke scuds because they know there's no chance in hell of winning a single battle. Except through weapons of mass destruction making any conflict irrational and suicidal.
Saddam had old Soviet weapons (and US weapons either) besides, weapons itself matters little, WHO wield the weapons means a lot.
Vientamese had screwed Ynaks up with Soviet weapons.
Do you forget how your nationals were running away from US embassy like coward rabbits they are?

Russia backed down to US in Goergia? Why in the world you think it did?
Russian troops deployed in Georgia, Russia controlls split Georgian provinces, which Russia recognized as independent states and USA can`t do a thing to help it`s ally.
Actually during the war there were killed a lot of American officers in Georgia. KOndoliza Rice called to LOvrov at night, begging him to let American instructors safely go from the battlefield but he told her go to hell where sh and all Yanks belong.
Russia is not Serbia to play games with.

All you can scare are small countries like Serbia and Iraq but countries like Russia, China and even Iran don`t give a shit about your pathertic threats.

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Oct 16, 2012
 
Very well said
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Oct 16, 2012
 
Georgia was just a carbon copy of Serbia. HATO manufactured evidence of genocide as part of a naked land grab and carved up the Balkans allying itself with Iran and Al Quieda in the process. If it is ok for "the evil empire" to do it then it must also be ok when the Russian Federation follows the same playbook?

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