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Georgian

Tbilisi, Georgia

#105 Jun 26, 2012
armenia wrote:
its no hate,the georgian are just jealus because aremenian people are smarter they them,we roule more they them, they only roule on criminal stuff s and they thik its inportant.OUR nation was a empire ,they nation just a kingdom in the mountains.And it is true we are the first nation in the world who addobt the christianity and much more .and they copi our arcitekture .the only knowest georgian in the world history was stalin an beria two psychopats
Jealous? Smarter?? you made me lough :D:D

Your nation was empire in II-I BC and was defeated by Rome (btw we were allies in those years). Were you strong ever after? NO! Do you know that we allied in V century AD against Iran? You betrayed us during the battle! and this happened many times! You were always betraying us! That's why we hate you!

Did you know that in 1124 our king (David IV) freed your capital anisi from turk-seljuks, because armenians asked him to? Did you know that our king Tamar sent army in Iran to take revenge for what they did to armenians (they invaded your capital and killed 9 000 armenians)? Did you know that we were going to form one kingdom togather, but we refused after armenians told our weaknesses to persians in 1795 (battle of krwanisi).

I am proud that we didn't have empire! Did you know why we didn't? Because we didn't want to! All Georgians wanted was piece, But we were always attacked by different empires! You don't trust me? 1121 battle of didgori (55 600 Georgians defeated ABOUT 500 000 turks), 1202 battle basiani (80 000 Georgians defeated 400 000 army of sultanate of rum), from 1089 to 1220 we won every single battle (and we had many of them)!

You armenians always lie about your history! Because it is not very interesting! why? because you were always captured by different empires! And you didn't have enough strength to win battles like ours!

You adopted Christianity in 301 AD right? Your king Tiridates III adopted it right? then tell me why did he torture women who were spreading Christianity in armenian villages on there way to Georgia?? only saint Nino escaped death from armenians (who made Georgia adopt Christianity as an official religion in 326 AD)!

You are just whores of Russia! Without them supporting you, Azers would take erevan in 2 days!

Sometimes i wounder what would happen to armenia if we became enemies? Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan... Your country would be Fucked up!

Armenians are claiming territories which were theirs for 2 centuries 2000 years ago... Get real! Karabakh is Azerbajan! Lorre and Javakheti are Georgia!

And for turks who whink that adjara or Tao-klarjeti belong to them: Those territories were ours for 2000 years and the fact that your Empire occupied it for 300 years dosn't make it yours!!!
Georgian

Tbilisi, Georgia

#106 Jun 26, 2012
Every caucasian nation hates armenia! so do many other nations!
I love Georgia

Baku, Azerbaijan

#107 Jul 13, 2012
I loved the guy commenting above. This is why I love Georgia and Georgians. Georgians are:

1) Honest
2) Decent
3) Peaceful
4) Stylish )) Yes, that too.
Kartveli

Yonkers, NY

#109 Oct 21, 2012
As a Georgian, after spending a great deal of my life investigating my past, my culture and my own family, I have come to the conclusion, that unfortunately, we are fed a great deal of nationalistic lies. It seems that we are actually descended from the Armenians, and their language and culture has significantly influenced ours. In reality we take this great pride in being Georgian so far, that we hate the very people that made us who we are: the Armenians. The Bagratuni line of kings are descended from the Armenians, their saint Mesrob Mashtotz invented our alphabet and their disciples and preachers converted us to Christianity. The only difference is genetic admixture, they mixed with Iranians and Greeks and we mixed with caucasians.. I can say with all honesty most Georgians hate Armenians because they are afraid of the truth.... that the Georgian people come from a very ancient proud and wonderful people called Armenian and we should be proud of being descended from them. We cant change who we are, so why resist the truth, there are bound to be people older than any race, everyone is mixed. We are still unique but ignoring the fact we descended from the Armenians and that our culture and language would be VASTLY different without their enrichment of our own is plain asinine ignorance.
Hovhanes TherPetrosian

Pomona, CA

#110 Dec 5, 2012
I am surprised Armenians and Georgians don't get along. All because of settlement issues. I was lead to believe by my family that Georgians are good people. I even dine Georgan as much as I can. Adjarian Khatchapuri.
I want to unite Armenians with Georgians Kurds and Azeris. For this reason. Georgians may have had a settlement problem but no we have tons of other races settling in Armenia. Problem solved. Second the Kurds are oppressed people and never had a problem with Armenians nor are they close to Armenians its like comparing Georgians with Americans no hate no love. I also want to unite Armenians and Azeris because the problem with us started when a few Turkish bastered started spreading hate with the two parties. My grandpa told me he owned a huge construction company with a man from Azerbaijan, and it was not common back in his time. Peace and Love for all of us. Except does prone-to-denial Turkish basterds.
Hovhanes TherPetrosian

Pomona, CA

#111 Dec 5, 2012
I love Georgia wrote:
I loved the guy commenting above. This is why I love Georgia and Georgians. Georgians are:
1) Honest
2) Decent
3) Peaceful
4) Stylish )) Yes, that too.
I would like you to read my comment. I know the hate between Armenia and Azerbaijan so I need to explanation for your dislike nor am I asking for one. My problem is how the Turks started the hate between us and your people. If you ask your elders the two of us were good friends. We owned businesses went to school and drank tokabanye together. Lets go back to how we were. I've stoped my miss lead hate are you gonna do the same.
siskian

Los Angeles, CA

#112 Dec 7, 2012
ARP wrote:
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BS I know 1st hand you fging scum that discrimination of Armenians and other minorities is ever day occurrence in Georgia.Scum you did not address forcing pressuring minorities to adapt Georgian sur names which explains your pathetic 83% BS.
Lying suck of sh-t.My wife is from Tbilisi MF.I know in detail how she was rejected in university because her last name was Armenian and she was told by professor that she must change her name to Georgian to have a shot for admission.That goes for lot of jobs as well.
First off i don't even know where to start.... your grammar or your intellect... second, don't like Georgian last names? get the f*** out of Georgia and go to US where you and your precious wife won't be rejected.. and lastly look into the History.
Georgian

Tbilisi, Georgia

#114 Dec 16, 2012
Kartveli wrote:
As a Georgian, after spending a great deal of my life investigating my past, my culture and my own family, I have come to the conclusion, that unfortunately, we are fed a great deal of nationalistic lies. It seems that we are actually descended from the Armenians, and their language and culture has significantly influenced ours. In reality we take this great pride in being Georgian so far, that we hate the very people that made us who we are: the Armenians. The Bagratuni line of kings are descended from the Armenians, their saint Mesrob Mashtotz invented our alphabet and their disciples and preachers converted us to Christianity. The only difference is genetic admixture, they mixed with Iranians and Greeks and we mixed with caucasians.. I can say with all honesty most Georgians hate Armenians because they are afraid of the truth.... that the Georgian people come from a very ancient proud and wonderful people called Armenian and we should be proud of being descended from them. We cant change who we are, so why resist the truth, there are bound to be people older than any race, everyone is mixed. We are still unique but ignoring the fact we descended from the Armenians and that our culture and language would be VASTLY different without their enrichment of our own is plain asinine ignorance.
First of all I don't believe that you are a Georgian!

What you said was nothing more than an armenian bullshit.

We are descended from Armenians? How could you say such a stupidity? Armenians don't even claim that...

We were not mixed with Armenians, caucasians or anyone els. It is proved that Georgians have always lives here. Georgian is member of Ibero-Caucasian language family.

On the other hand Armenians are not caucasians. They came here after fall of Urartu. Armenian is member of an Indo-European language family. So they are not caucasians.

Only armenians claim that Bagrations were armenians (and they claim that everybody is armenian..). There is no truth in that. Though Bagrations are considered to be descendents of king david (king of the united kingdom of Israel in XI-X BC.

About cultur and language: We have been neighbours for like 2500 years. Of course our cultures and languages have some influences on EACH OTHER.

Afraid of which truth??? The biggest reason of hatred are lies like that.

How can Georgians be descendents of Armenians when we are an older nation???

"Mesrob Mashtotz invented our alphabet"
Lies, lies, lies... First Georgian Alphabet was invented by King Farnavaz in III BC. After that Georgian Alphabet has evoluted (has been changed/improved) three times.

Armenian alphabet hasn't changed even once..

It is more logical that Georgians invented armenian alphabet...

"their disciples and preachers converted us to Christianity."

I almost fainted when I read this...
take a look what I wrote about Georgia adopting Christianity as an official religion. I wrote about armenia as well and would you be so kind to answer the question i asked there.

You wrote So many lies (bullshit) in just one post you might have beaten one of Guinness World Records...
reason

Burbank, CA

#116 Jan 17, 2013
If Kartveli is really a Georgian, I must congratulate him for being the first honest Georgian I saw.

As for you Mr "Georgian" - do you have the BALLS to honestly answer my questions?

1. If your king supposedly invented your alphabet, then why did Georgian writing appear only AFTER Armenian writing? There is absolutely no proof any Georgian document exists before Mashtots.

2. Why do Georgian churches look exactly like Armenian, and not a single Georgian church exists which is OLDER than the oldest of Armenian churches?

As for your claim of the Bagratuni dynasty, it is so dumb I will not even bother asking about it.
Georgian

Tbilisi, Georgia

#117 Jan 18, 2013
reason wrote:
If Kartveli is really a Georgian, I must congratulate him for being the first honest Georgian I saw.
As for you Mr "Georgian" - do you have the BALLS to honestly answer my questions?
1. If your king supposedly invented your alphabet, then why did Georgian writing appear only AFTER Armenian writing? There is absolutely no proof any Georgian document exists before Mashtots.
2. Why do Georgian churches look exactly like Armenian, and not a single Georgian church exists which is OLDER than the oldest of Armenian churches?
As for your claim of the Bagratuni dynasty, it is so dumb I will not even bother asking about it.
Don't worry I have balls enough ;) I'll amswer what I know and say what I don't know.

1) The oldest sample of Georgian writing is from the V century AD.
It is "Martyrdom of the Holy Queen Shushanik". who was an Armenian btw. She was daughter of vardam mamikonian.
As Georgian sources from the X AD say first Georgian alphabet was invented by King Pharnavaz in IV-III BC.
Yes it is logical to ask why we don't have older manuscripts.
there is no exact answer to that question though there are some versions.
1) After georgians converted into christianity they decided to destroy older manuscripts cause they were Transient (I don't like this version either).
2) We were rapidly attacked by everyone... Our enemies always burned down Georgian libraries. Even the "Martyrdom of the Holy Queen Shushanik" wasn't supposed to survive time. Parts of it were hidden in different parts of Georgia. Not all parts are believed to be found.

So where is the proof? it is in "Martyrdom of the Holy Queen Shushanik". It is mentioned there that there have already existed many books written in Georgian, which were read by characters.

If you'd be so kind, can you tell me in which century was the oldest armenian manuscript written (I just don't know that)?

2) First of all I'd like to ask which armenian church is the oldest? In which century was it built?
Our oldest churches which still stand were built in IX century.
Also svetickhoveli was rebuilt in XI century. There also is Jvari Monastery which was built in VI century.. It's the best I know. I'm not really into churches...

My guess is that Our architectures had affect on each other.
Though as I have said I'm not really educated in Architecture.

I don't udnerstand one thing: If you find some similarities with other countries you start screeming that the&#4327; are liers, robbers etc. Just why? Why do you think that everything began from Armenia? That everything developed in Armenia? That everybody was Armenian (like shota rustaveli)? Doesn't all of that sound suspicious?

As for bagrationi dinasty I'd be happy to read your arguments about why they have armenian origins.
I would also like you to answer some questions of mine which I asked earlier. ;)

And no, "kartveli" is not a georgian. I'm 100% sure about that.

There is another question I have for you:
How do you prove that Urartu ppl were your ancestors?
They were caucasians. Armenians are not.
Their language was caucasian. Armenian language is Indo-European.
What proof do you have?
I can also say that Urartu language had many similarities with Georgian language and some scientists consider them to be some kind of relatives of Georgians. Though it is not prooved and It is just a theory.
reason

Burbank, CA

#118 Jan 18, 2013
Georgian wrote:
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The oldest...
Georgian, I will tell you what I have learned, and you can accept it or deny it. If you look at Asomtavruli script (the original Georgian alphabet), it looks almost like Armenian. Modern Georgian does not. Why? I suspect Georgian 'pride' started in the Medieval period when you mentioned. Medieval Georgian nationalists did not like the fact that the Georgian alphabet looked like a version of the Armenian, and that's when the reforms started and they decided to give the letters a "facelift" to hide its identity, and as you said the same time period when they came up with a false story to "explain" the Georgian alphabet that is was several centuries before Christ. Perhaps the first writing in Georgian which was about an Armenian might also be a clue.

Urartu is an Assyrian word which means Ararat. Ararat is traditionally in the heart of the Armenian nation and it is the symbol of Armenia. Why? Because until the invasion Muslims, no other people have been there except for the ancestors of the Armenians. And one of the largest tribes of Urartu were the Nairi. In our language today we have words in Urartuan and also names like Nairi is a girl's name. The Kingdom of Urartu I believe expanded to just south of where Tibilisi is today. The connection between Georgians and Armenians probably started at this time.

The oldest built church in Armenia is in Etchmiadsin, which started being built as soon as Armenia became a Christian nation in 301, and it took several years to be completed. I have read before that during this period, Armenian religion influenced Georgian and in the beginning the two were similar, but later the Georgian church started orienting more towards other Orthodox churches like the Russian.

Bagratuni is known as Armenian, because many historians have found this out through investigations, and in fact it exists in Armenian literature, and well known historians like Toumanoff also mentioned it. In Medieval times, nobility always married nobility so they all mixed, that's why I think some Georgian princesses married to some Bagratid Armenian princes which is where the relationship started. In our language also we have names like Bagrat, Pakrad, Bagratyan, etc.

I understand your frustration why we claim everything is Armenian, but I will give you one explanation of why I personally think. One of the things we trust the most is our historical writings, but there is also something else that is important. As you know, we used to have a very large country extending from Caspian sea to Mediterranean, and eventually the Turkic invaders took over most of our lands, and eventually we got a genocide and almost lost everything. During Turkish rule, we were not safe to research our history, our country etc and after the genocide most of us even forgot who we are, but our ancient culture somehow came back from being dead and we started realizing how much Turks and Azeris stole from us and now claim the opposite that they are "originals" and we copied them.

This infuriates us like hell, that's why today we will not tolerate any false claims of our culture, we survived the criminal and fake Muslims invaders from Central Asia, so now we demand that justice prevail against criminals. Sometimes, Georgians are included here unfortunately because for some strange reason, your country seems more friendly to Azerbaijan and Turkey than Armenia... politics has a lot to do with it too, but it is too bad. We know Georgians also have an ancient history, and our nations should be united against the invading Muslims like it was at one time, but too bad it isn't like that because of politics. Next time I go to Armenia, I also plan to go to Georgia, and maybe I will learn more by seeing for myself. One day I want to see Armenia and Georgia become close and maybe then our two cultures will share our history and learn how we influenced each other.

Anyway, see you another time and good luck.
Georgian

Tbilisi, Georgia

#119 Jan 19, 2013
Well... that is not far from logic, but we can judge everything deferently. Maybe Armenians made their alphabet according to Georgian one?

After Asomtavruli(the oldest) we had Nuskhuri(from IX AD). Let's think that your version is right. Then why did Georgians also change Nuskhuri by Mkhedruli (from XI AD)? What was the reason?
And also even if that armenian invanted Asomtavruli, does it matter? We have changed 2 Alphabets after that...
Interesting fact is that we have had 3 Alphabets, when most of the countries don't have even one :D There are 14 Alphabets in the world as far as I know.

I also don't see the reason for "pride". I mean we had good relationship with Armenia. Thought of them as allies. So Idk...

Though we both have to admit that you can't be 100% sure about anything when you are talking about History. Especially about this kind of thing. None of the sides have 100% Evidence of their versions.

BTW that's just one source that Georgian alphabet was made by king Pharnavaz. There also is another according to which it was made in VII BC.

The fact that there are some urartu words in Armenian doesn't prove anything. I mean That scientists study roots of languages and according them they find out which nation comes from where.
So as far as I know Urartu and Armenian languages have absolutly different roots. Urartu >> Caucasian, Armenian >> Indo-European.
So according to this you can't claim Nairi or Urartu to be your ancestors...

I don't think that's correct. Georgia adopted christianuty in 326 AD thanks to Saint Nino. I have written earlier about that and asked a question about Armenians adopting christianity. Please answer question I asked there.
Christianity split in Catholic and Orthodox churches only in 1014 (if I remember correctly). I don't think mentionig Russia while talking about Georgia adopting Christianity is appropriate...


AS I know Ashot Bagration was the last mtavari of Kartli. He had to run from Arabs. He esteblished a new kingdom, commonly known as Kindom of Tao-Klarjeti. He was the first bagration King.
It happened so that Bagrat III had a good claim for every Georgian Kingdom. So He became the first king of The united Kingdom of Georgia in 1010.
Gregory of Khandzta (in IX AD) says that Ashot and all of Bagrations are Descendant of King David.

As far as I know you had those territories in II-I BC during the reign of Tigran II, But you were defeated by Rome (Gnaeus Pompeius). And as I know armenia has never been That big or strong ever after. Armenia was an empire in those years, so it consisted from captured lands. You can't say that all of those territories historicaly belong to you. I hope you don't claim Tao-klarjeti to be yours. I have calculated and for the past 32 senturies it belonged to armenians for 2 centuries, to Turkey for 3 centuries and to Georgia for 27 centuries...
I understand what armenians have been through but that doesn't mean that everything belongs to you... Some armenians are claimig shota rustaveli to be an armenian... I have even heard some saying that Christ was armenian.. You have evry right to protect what is your but only after proving that it IS your And after international scientists agree with you. Don't trust your sources that much, rely on foraign ones more. Cause There is more chance that there written a lie about you in your own sources. For example nobody believes that 300 spartans fough against 1 million persians. Why? mainly because it was said so only by greeks..
As I have said before invaders destroyed Georgian libraries so a lot of knowladge comes from foraign sources.
Georgian

Tbilisi, Georgia

#120 Jan 19, 2013
"we survived the criminal and fake Muslims invaders from Central Asia, so now we demand that justice prevail against criminals"
Yes but you should be careful so you don't become criminals and stealers of other countries' culture. And many believe that armenians have already crossed that boundary.

We are more friendly with them because they have a better attitude towards us. They don't claim anything from Georgian cultur and don't disagree with us in about our history... We have absolutly no problems with Azerbaijan (It's just they have sainghilo), we have a very friendly relationship with them.
We have a good relationship with turkey as well, but we still remember that they have been our N1 enemy since XI AD. They hold Tao-Klarjeti and lazeti, anciant Georgian lands. It's like 1/3 of Georgia. So we still see a potential enemy...

One of the reasons why we have corrupted relationship is that you are allies of Russia.
Russia has betrayed us many times when we were allies against Muslims and finaly they anexed us in 1801. Since then they have become our biggest enemy and the fact is that you support them.
in 1830s Russians settled armenians in Javakheti as a 5th column in case of a rebellion. Nowadays Armenians claim that Javakheti is their Historical land...

Georgians don't see an enemy in Muslims. Those years when Muslim countries were our enemies are far behind. Orthodox Russia is the one trying to devide us and capture us pieces pieces... So the religion doesn't really matter.

BTW who is sedrakyan? He said that he will recognize independence of Abkhazia and "south ossetia" if he gets elected. He also said that Kutaisi should become part of akhazia and that he will counquer Tbilisi in order to have border with Russia....
What can you say about him? Does he have support to win the elections and do ppl agree with him?

I have also read that Premier Ivanishvili suggested restoring Churches on Georgia-Armenian territories which are not yet proven to be Georgian or armenian and he also suggested creating both Georgian and Armenian scientist groups which will study Churches to find out to whom it belongs.

I hope you have a good time while being here ;)

I hope that day can come.
xeesus

New York, NY

#124 Mar 4, 2013
ARP wrote:
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listen you f-ging deauchbag you can parade here in your underwear but we know what piece of sh-t you are.My wife is from Georgia and I know 1st hand what she had to go through.Lot of minorities where simply pressured to adapt Georgian last names to blend in to escape discrimination.Com mon fact.Now question is out 5 million population what % is really Georgian.maybe 1 million tops rest minorities or minorities masquerading as Georgians.
You do sound like racist though. If you live in Armenia you must know that no other nation can survive there, never heard of any famous person from Armenia that is not armenian. Georgians, as any other country, want people living in their state to be able to read and speak in georgian, but nothing like forcing them to change last names, that is plain lie. And to those complaining about word "Somexi" - that's not insulting as far as I know, unless you think that being Armenian is insulting. I am georgian and I had and have many armenian friends, that's what matters to me.
Robert

Rocklin, CA

#125 Apr 3, 2013
Wow,, you are full of so much hate!?
Robert

Rocklin, CA

#126 Apr 3, 2013
Georgian, you should get on your knees and pray from deliverance of hate in your heart, sad!
Robert

Rocklin, CA

#127 Apr 3, 2013
@Geogian wow, you are so mis-informed and full of so much hatred in your heart!?
Georgian

Tbilisi, Georgia

#128 Apr 5, 2013
Robert wrote:
Georgian, you should get on your knees and pray from deliverance of hate in your heart, sad!
What I should do is non of Your conserns! I can decide what to do without your help!
Robert wrote:
@Geogian wow, you are so mis-informed and full of so much hatred in your heart!?
Mis-informed? About what exactly? Tell me the truth then...

Yeah, yeah I understan that Everybody is an Armenian... That Jesus was an armenian.. That Armenians were The first in everything... That everything belonged to Armenia... That Armenians Are the best!.. You know? I'm pretty sure will start claiming That Obama is an Armenian as well! ;)))))

You are so amazed by my hatred... I don't hate all the Armenians. Why should I?! I olny hate and despise those who claim staff like I wrote above!
valirie

Baltimore, MD

#129 Jun 26, 2013
Armenians are the true caucasians indo- europeans.Google it yourself and learn something.19 century europe called them the Anglo saxons of the middle east. They are consider ed the oldest of the caucasians. Its quite a history as you all know, the rest of you are just barbaric like the mongols, and turks.
Reichs Adler

Edmonton, Canada

#131 Jul 23, 2013
Because Georgians themselves are swarthy wogs, hated and against by Russians and disrespected by Northern Caucasians. So, they take these sentiments that they apply similar prejudice against Armenians, who they consider to be "darker" skinned compared to them (though they're practically the same phenotype for all practical purposes).

It is a pshychological phenomenon called "projecting".

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