Abkhazia, the country that doesn't exist, prepares to follow Kosovo's example

[Why_Me]

Sic wrote:

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I am reading Russian and American mass media.
It's amusing but yours is like USSR's. They lie you everyday about everything happening beyond America. I can compare. You cannot.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080423/tc_afp/r...

http://russophobe.blogspot.com/2008/03/boris-...

[Robespierre]

Why_Me wrote:

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080423/tc_afp/r...
http://russophobe.blogspot.com/2008/03/boris-...

It's funny, you quote 2 links from Russian opponents who CLAIM there is censorship in Russia.

It's only a CLAIM, that is not borne by reality.

Russian media, just like US media and UK media and many media is in the hands of a few media barons, and regulates itself. Most of the oligrarchs who own these media are pro-Putin/Medvedev anyway. But opposition newspapers are on sale too. The Communist broadsheets are on sale on Red Square!

Berezovsky for example owned newspapers, TV chanels and so on, and was a chum of Putin. When he was prosectued for tax fraud and embezelment, he ran away, took refuge in Britain, and THEN, but only THEN started to accuse Russia of censorship when his papers were seized and his TV closed down!!

[Sic]

Why_Me wrote:

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080423/tc_afp/r...
http://russophobe.blogspot.com/2008/03/boris-...

Are you serious?
One is RUSSOPHOBIC site, another one is a mainstream of US mass media?
You call it proof?
Not more than references of Himmler to Mein Kampf on that trial :)))
Are you adult to give me the reference to the RUSSOFOBIC site? Or you are just a mentally disabled?:)))

[Alex]

i doubt int. community is ready to take away any region controlled by russians nowasways

who is International community? NATO?

[Bycha]

Why_Me wrote:

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Then how to resolve this problem? I don't see any other way unless these two provinces will accept autonomy and not full independance.

That was the initial plan. Which required a lot of work and time.
But then Georgia got support from US and decided that's easier to solve it with plain genocide. Started to prepare their army and people for the 'small but glorious' war. As a result now it's almost impossible to convince Abkhazia to trust Georgia any part of sovereignity.
So there's no good options now - either war (which means bloodshed and oppressions to abkhazians) or independant Abkhazia (which means refugees won't get back home and georgians left in Abkhazia will be oppressed as they are now) or get back to the initial plan (all problems as with the 'independant Abkhazia' option but some hope for the future). I'd prefer the last one.

[Bycha]

Why_Me wrote:

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080423/tc_afp/r...
http://russophobe.blogspot.com/2008/03/boris-...

See, Why_Me, i can (and do) read US press, and watch US TV. You cannot read/watch russian.

[Why_Me]

Bycha wrote:

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See, Why_Me, i can (and do) read US press, and watch US TV. You cannot read/watch russian.

Major Russian newspapers are in English also. Why do you think so many of us post links to Russian news sources on here that are all in English?

:D

[Bycha]

Why_Me wrote:

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Major Russian newspapers are in English also...

That's good, but still not the same when you read/listen things intended for russians.
BTW, you said you dislike Russia helping Belorussian regime.
But let us compare - US is helping Ukraine and Georgia's regimes and they are much poorer than Belorussia. Many girls from Ukraine works as prostitutes in Russia while i never saw girls from Belorussia doing it. From my point of view you must hate US more. Or you belive that the 'democracy' worth your dauther selling herself?

[Why_Me]

Bycha wrote:

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That's good, but still not the same when you read/listen things intended for russians.
BTW, you said you dislike Russia helping Belorussian regime.
But let us compare - US is helping Ukraine and Georgia's regimes and they are much poorer than Belorussia. Many girls from Ukraine works as prostitutes in Russia while i never saw girls from Belorussia doing it. From my point of view you must hate US more. Or you belive that the 'democracy' worth your dauther selling herself?

Trust me, there's Belarusian girls selling their body's in Turkey.

The thing is, people in Ukraine can see anything on the net they choose. They can watch TV, listen to the radio, and read any newspapers they choose. They can vote for whoever they choose to vote for, they can protest without fear of being arrested. They can critisize their government without fear of being arrested. They have choices/freedom in Ukraine that Belarusians can only dream of having. Freedom is a big thing, whether poor or rich. It's the ability to choose for ones self.

[Bycha]

You're not serious.

Why_Me wrote:

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Trust me, there's Belarusian girls selling their body's in Turkey.

I belive you can find a prostitute from Belarus, still Ukrainian girls are way WAY ahead.
One more US-supported democratic country - Moldova. There are villages of people living with a single kidney because they had to sell second. Is this what you want for your beloved Belarus?

Why_Me wrote:

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The thing is, people in Ukraine can see anything on the net they choose.

People of Belarus can do the same.

Why_Me wrote:

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They can watch TV, listen to the radio, and read any newspapers they choose.

Most of people in Ukraine speak russian, but russian has no official state, and strictly limited on TV and newspapers. So people's choice is limited by the government.

Why_Me wrote:

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They can vote for whoever they choose to vote for, they can protest without fear of being arrested. They can critisize their government without fear of being arrested.

But also without any result whatsoever.
No matter who you vote for, those appointed by US embassy will be elected. Noone cares what you criticise of protesting against.

Why_Me wrote:

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They have choices/freedom in Ukraine that Belarusians can only dream of having. Freedom is a big thing, whether poor or rich. It's the ability to choose for ones self.

Do you mean ukrainians chose to be poor?:)))
It seems you started beliving your own BS.

[Xamzat]

Russia is not welcome in the Caucasus!

Republic of Chechnia
Republic of Karelia
Republic of Tatarstan
Republic of Bashkirstan
Republic of Dagestan
Republic of Kabardino-Balkaria
Republic of Adygea
Republic of Karachai-Cherkessia
Republic of Alania
Republic of Yakutia
Republic of Buriatia
Republic of Udmurtia
Republic of Mari
Republic of Kalmykia
Republic of Ingushetia
Republic of Chuvashia
Republic of Mordovia
Republic of Tuva
Republic of Khakassia
Republic of Komi

ARE INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES

[Mr Because]

Salam Xamzat. Dont Be so shured. People of Dagestan (Muslims) fought with Chechens in 1999. When Chechen band intruded into Dagestan.
Tatars also fought in Russian army.
Chechnya was the only problem, solved now. Ramzan Kadirov, may the god bless him, restored order.
Also regions with Christian population will never try to separate. And of course you forgot that in all these regions the majority is Russian, some 80%. So no riot will ever occur.

By the way Xamzat, what are you doing in Nietherlands? Are you hiding from Russian Justice there? Your family members were terrorists or jihaddists? Why did you flee from Chechnya?

[Nino from Tbilsi]

Guys why you are so worried bout Georgia? Please save your emotions and health. We are doing well, modernizing our society and building our statehood. Stop worrying about us! We will do fine without you in NATO.

YOU better worry about your life expectancy, that has gone far bellow African standards! worry about your sinking nuclear submarines and exploding missile storage facilities! worry about killers walking around with polonium and these 5 000 persons who are wrongly charged each year! Worry about your roads and infrastructure. We will do fine without you with help of GOD and friends!

[Abe]

Nino from Tbilsi wrote:

Guys why you are so worried bout Georgia? Please save your emotions and health. We are doing well, modernizing our society and building our statehood. Stop worrying about us! We will do fine without you in NATO.
YOU better worry about your life expectancy, that has gone far bellow African standards! worry about your sinking nuclear submarines and exploding missile storage facilities! worry about killers walking around with polonium and these 5 000 persons who are wrongly charged each year! Worry about your roads and infrastructure. We will do fine without you with help of GOD and friends!

Then why 60% of your men are thieves and bums in Russia?
Change you carrot ma'am when masturbating.
After Kosovo, Abkhazia is free.

Are they too proud to work?

[Pravda]

Abe wrote:

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Then why 60% of your men are thieves and bums in Russia?
Change you carrot ma'am when masturbating.
After Kosovo, Abkhazia is free.
Are they too proud to work?

Of course you are never offensive yourself, aren't you Abe?

It's always those damned Russians' fault...

[Midnight Express]

Pravda wrote:

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Of course you are never offensive yourself, aren't you Abe?
It's always those damned Russians' fault...

It's his mama's upbringing. She used to read him bedtime stories about marauding bolshevik cossacks. She did a little literary ethnic cleansing that she never told him about though, and turned all the jewish bolshevik surnames into ethnic slav bolshevik cossack ritual child eaters.

Poor mamawashed dolt still automatically turns any polish and/or jewish surname into a slav, like he did with monica lewinsky. ;-)

[Anna]

For your information : even in Soviet times , when Georgia was in so greatl love with Russia, Abkhazia , in the communist time was the only one nation which raised the issues of its independence from Georgia after Stalin`s death , Stalin this evil was also Georgian communist till the brains of his bomes.
Before argueing heer better to read the history of Abkhazia first .

[Metin]

A Way to Let Abkhazia Live a Normal Life
By Yulia Latynina, February 27, 2008, The Moscow http://www.circassianworld.com/News/Abkhazia_...

Some Thoughts on 'Abkhazia is not Kosovo' by David L. Phillips (Transitions Online, 7 Feb 2008)
http://www.circassianworld.com/News/Abkhazia_...

Abkhazia's Liberation and International Law by E. K. Adzhindzhal, Sukhum, 2007

http://www.circassianworld.com/Abkhazia_Liber...

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Some questions from the Stanislav Lakoba's article ''Abkhazia is Abkhazia''

Is it really true that being part of the world-community we Abkhazians, numbering about 100,000 in Abkhazia itself, are somehow doing harm to this community? Is it possible that if mankind, having already lost in the 19th century our brothers the Ubykhs, is now to lose us Abkhazians at the close of the 20th century, it will find itself in some way enriched in the 3rd millennium A.D.?!

The fact is that people are being exterminated and the world is keeping silent... Well, almost - for such news-agencies as Reuters, AP, the BBC, whenever they refer to us, our standard epithets are ‘separatists’ and ‘rebels’... How is it that we are separatists when we are actually not separating from, or attacking, anybody? Are there any resolutions of the Abkhazian Parliament adopted before the start of the war on 14th August 1992 (or even several months afterwards) which have declared secession from Georgia? There is not one! In fact, it was the Abkhazian side that suggested building our relations with Georgia on an agreed, federative basis. Therefore, it was the Abkhazian side which came out with proposals that would actually preserve the unity of Georgia. The response was the despatch to Abkhazia of tanks, fighter-bombers and guardsmen armed to the teeth...

We are being forced to adopt a separatist-position by the real separatists reigning in Tbilisi who are busy destroying their own country. They have transported their country, the unity of which was supported by the bayonets of the Stalinist Soviet Empire, back to the feudal division of the Middle Ages. The so-called separatists from Adjaria, Mingrelia, Kakhetia (not to mention Abkhazia and [South] Ossetia) are taking up an all-round defensive position against the central power in Tbilisi. The question is:«Why are there so many ‘separatists’ in Georgia?» When Russia appealed to her own former autonomies to conclude a federative treaty, the status of autonomies and many regions, including those in the North Caucasus, were raised to the level of republics. No obstacles were put in the way of the elections of presidents in these republics or of the adoption of their national flags and other state-symbols.

But in our case the situation was quite the reverse. When we were putting forward proposals and trying to build bridges, we were repulsed and told:«Who are you? You should not even have autonomy, being so few!» This was and remains the only argument against us. So, we ‘separatists’, having been driven into a corner, have started to resist simply in order to survive, to save our women, children and old people. Try driving even a little creature into a corner - will that too be a separatist?

Today some people say that Abkhazia is Russia, others that it is Georgia, while the fact is that Abkhazia is Abkhazia. And at the end of the 20th and start of the 21st century we want to preserve our own identity and keep our own face for the simple reason that it is ours, even if somebody else may not find it to their liking.

Abkhazia is Abkhazia by Stanislav Lakoba, Central Asian Survey, vol. 14, no. 1

http://www.circassianworld.com/Abkhazia_is_Ab...

[Anna]

I know it perfectly that Abkhazia is Abkhazia and was ever so and will be for ever

[Mr Because]

Why Abkhazia is not Kosovo?
Go tell it to Abkhazians. They`re pretty shure Abkhzia should be independent.