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paul SHYKORA arts

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..OUR GENERAL Motors...should BUY a Bigger-share,..into Peugeot PSA...eh...$$$...(+)..
paul SHYKORA arts

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...YES...It is a ''good'' tie-up,here...eh..(+)..$$$yada u u...
paul SHYKORA arts

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..yes....future tie-up..now...eh..(+)...

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Opel was once a good brand with brilliant cars....until GM bought them. There motors are still class, because they can develop them themselves, but GM steel their designs and forbig them to sell cars in the big markets. You really want to belong to them? Opel should leave GM and build an alliance with PSA and expand to the big markets and it will be a success!
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Chris wrote:
Opel was once a good brand with brilliant cars....until GM bought them. There motors are still class, because they can develop them themselves, but GM steel their designs and forbig them to sell cars in the big markets. You really want to belong to them? Opel should leave GM and build an alliance with PSA and expand to the big markets and it will be a success!
Aren't you exagerating a little bit?

Opel has been a fully-owned subsidary of General Motors since ... 1931!
It's best years were therefore under GM, and its best cars, best designs happened during the US ownership of that company.

Nothing wrong with Opel, or GM ownership.
The fact is that there is over production in Europe, a region where production costs are the highest in the world. Hence Opel is not competitive on the market.

With or without GM, in alliance with PSA or not, Opel will not be able to solve alone what is an European industrial problem.

GM is a global company, and it has realised that producing cars in Korea is more cost-effective than doing the same in Germany or Britain.
Chris

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rio wrote:
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Aren't you exagerating a little bit?
Opel has been a fully-owned subsidary of General Motors since ... 1931!
It's best years were therefore under GM, and its best cars, best designs happened during the US ownership of that company.
Nothing wrong with Opel, or GM ownership.
The fact is that there is over production in Europe, a region where production costs are the highest in the world. Hence Opel is not competitive on the market.
With or without GM, in alliance with PSA or not, Opel will not be able to solve alone what is an European industrial problem.
GM is a global company, and it has realised that producing cars in Korea is more cost-effective than doing the same in Germany or Britain.
Yes they bought Opel way back, but the growing influence from GM started only after Opel had their years of success and since then the Brand is going down the hill. Really sad to see, because they have so much potential... They are being robbed and suppressed by GM.
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Chris wrote:
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Yes they bought Opel way back, but the growing influence from GM started only after Opel had their years of success and since then the Brand is going down the hill. Really sad to see, because they have so much potential... They are being robbed and suppressed by GM.
I think Opel really missed the boat when GM cancelled the sale to a Russian consortium at the last minute a few years ago.
Under a new ownership, Opel would have had a future.

As it is, GM now sees OPel as a competitor to its cheaper brand Chevrolet (Deawoo) on the market and is ready to let it go to the wall rather than selling it.
GM did the same by cancelling the sale of SAAB to Chinese investors. SAAB didn't survive.
Chris

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rio wrote:
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I think Opel really missed the boat when GM cancelled the sale to a Russian consortium at the last minute a few years ago.
Under a new ownership, Opel would have had a future.
As it is, GM now sees OPel as a competitor to its cheaper brand Chevrolet (Deawoo) on the market and is ready to let it go to the wall rather than selling it.
GM did the same by cancelling the sale of SAAB to Chinese investors. SAAB didn't survive.
I completely agree with that. But i think they need an investor who will let them handle it themselves. They have a history of building good and reliable cars - especially in the 60's-90's. Nowadays they have a very bad lobby and aren't allowed to sell cars in the growing markets of the future like you said. GM doesn't care about their succes as long as they can use Opel design and technology. Opel will always write red ciffers, but GM doesn't care, because ehe advantages far outweigh the disadvantages for them.
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Chris wrote:
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I completely agree with that. But i think they need an investor who will let them handle it themselves. They have a history of building good and reliable cars - especially in the 60's-90's. Nowadays they have a very bad lobby and aren't allowed to sell cars in the growing markets of the future like you said. GM doesn't care about their succes as long as they can use Opel design and technology. Opel will always write red ciffers, but GM doesn't care, because ehe advantages far outweigh the disadvantages for them.
The fact is that Opel is doomed, like most European carmakers in this bracket (Renault, Peugeot, Citoen, FIAT, etc...) that haven't built production facilities abroad. OPEL also has the image of being mostly a car for the domestic market, and not a worldwide brand.

Apart from the luxury car sector that seems to do well (AUDI, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche), the mass market car makers need to have some production facilities abroad, where it's cheaper, etc... VW understood that, and manufactures abroad.
It's VW foreign car plants that allow the German car plants to survive, up to a point. Marchionese, the FIAT CEO was very blatant in that, saying that FIAT would be better off closing all its factories in Italy, and expending its plants in Turkey, Poland, Brazil, etc...

Also, OPEL's position on the market has changed in the last 50 years. I remember in the 60s, OPEL producting middle sizes cars, executive cars, sport coupes, etc...(OPEL Rekord, Kapitan, Admiral, Ambassador, Monza, etc..) Since OPEL has lost that share of the market to brands that hardly existed 50 years ago.
In the 60s, BMW just started with a 1500, and was far from the complete range it has now.
In the 60s, AUDI didn't even exist, and NSU was a small car company. Look at it now!

So, BMW and AUDI have built their brand at the expense of OPEL which has been retreating all the way. OPEL's larger car, the Insigna, is not competitor to BMW or AUDI. OPEL is now mostly a small and lower middle sized car producer, where the profit margin are the lowest, and the competition the highest. In these brackets, people have the lowest brand loyalty, and are only controlled by budget consideration: they choose a KIA or a HYundai instead!
paul SHYKORA arts

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..OPEL is European...eh...Vauxhall is British....they share with Holden and Chevrolet....

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paul SHYKORA arts wrote:
..OPEL is European...eh...Vauxhall is British....they share with Holden and Chevrolet....
Does Canada have a national car make?
rio

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paul SHYKORA arts wrote:
..OPEL is European...eh...Vauxhall is British....they share with Holden and Chevrolet....
Opel is German. Vauxhall are just re-badged Opel made or sold in UK. They both belong to GM.

Holden shares nothing with Opel, or Vauxhall, although a few imported Holdens have been sold as Vauxhall in UK.

Chevrolet US and Chevrolet Korea (ex-Deawoo) have no models in common. They both belong to GM.
paul SHYKORA arts

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rio wrote:
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Opel is German. Vauxhall are just re-badged Opel made or sold in UK. They both belong to GM.
Holden shares nothing with Opel, or Vauxhall, although a few imported Holdens have been sold as Vauxhall in UK.
Chevrolet US and Chevrolet Korea (ex-Deawoo) have no models in common. They both belong to GM.
..YES...SO..??..and PEUGEOT PSA will become a minority G.M. car member,too...eh...yada u u..shalom..
rio

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paul SHYKORA arts wrote:
<quoted text>..YES...SO..??..and PEUGEOT PSA will become a minority G.M. car member,too...eh...yada u u..shalom..
Not sure if GM wants to keep its German branch which is losing money.

For the European markets, GM now pushes the lost-cost Korean-built Chevrolet (ex-Deawoo).

There is no point in GM supporting to rival brands in Europe, and a merger between PSA and Opel could allow GM to abandon its expensive European plants.
paul SHYKORA arts

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..NO...
rio

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paul SHYKORA arts wrote:
..NO...
What do you mean by NO ?
ocxz

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-TheExam- wrote:
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Does Canada have a national car make?
I think they do :

the car ibou

(the moose in english)
paul SHYKORA arts

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.... FUTURE...OUR G.M...will have a bigger ''minority-Stake'' in Peugeot PSA...eh...(+)...yada u u

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