Did France commit genocide in Haiti?

Created by Volga Bolgar on Nov 26, 2007

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Volga Bolgar

Turkey

#1 Nov 26, 2007
"Haiti is poor because we have never had the opportunity to invest in our infrastructure," said Saint Vil, citing the use of Haitian labour and resources to enrich foreign powers, but not Haitians.

In 1825, France forced Haiti to "compensate" former slave and plantation owners that had been driven out of the country by the independence movement in return for access to international markets. To make the first payment, every school in Haiti was closed. Jean Bertrand Aristide had mounted a high-profile campaign to force France to pay back this money, which is now equivalent to $22 billion. "One of the first acts of that puppet government was to declare that France doesn't owe Haiti anything anymore," said Saint Vil.

http://www.haitiaction.net/News/DOJ/12_12_4/1...
Volga Bolgar

Turkey

#2 Nov 26, 2007
Let�s begin with 1492. Since that year, when it was �discovered,&#6 5533; no country in the Caribbean has suffered more pain per capita than Haiti.

In the 15th century, according to Columbus, Haiti was an island paradise. Now it is an ecological disaster. In the 18th century, Haiti was the richest colony in the New World. Now it is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere.

In the early 1500s, Haiti�s indigenous people, the Taino, were rendered extinct. Alien disease took its inevitable toll. But it was the Spanish obsession with gold and Columbus� brutal ways of extracting and extorting what little gold there was that sealed their fate.

Soon thousands of West Africans were imported every year to fill the labor vacuum. Africans, under the lash, were put to work raising indigo and then cane sugar.

So savage was the slave regime, at first under the Spanish and then under the French, that a slave�s life expectancy upon reaching Haiti was only several years. Slaves didn�t live long enough to assimilate �Western civilization.� To this day, Haiti remains essentially an African country.

In the 1790s, the Afro-Haitians revolted. In 1804, led by the slave Toussaint L�Ouverture, the Africans succeeded in whupping Napolean�s army and driving it off the island.

This was the world�s first successful slave revolt. Ignored in our history books, it was an accomplishment as significant and as liberating as the French or U.S. revolutions.

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/20...

“Et ades sera l'alba”

Since: Dec 06

Royan, France/Lawrence, KS

#3 Nov 27, 2007
Before you start accusing other people of genocide, why don't you look at your own nation's history...they know quite a bit about it!

Since: Oct 07

Paris

#4 Nov 29, 2007
:)

We can't justify a bad act by another one.

But it's true that turkey had a particular way of treating the armenian minority...

"first successful slave revolt" ? there's at least been the mameluk's revolt in egypt , or ?

Again , i don't think it's a genocide.

But a don't-care-for-slaves-life-spi ll , yes.
Volga Bolgar

Turkey

#5 Dec 3, 2007
Lhomme sans Leglise wrote:
Before you start accusing other people of genocide, why don't you look at your own nation's history...they know quite a bit about it!
I am a Volga Bolgar.

What is wrong with my people's history, will you tell?

After all, we are not the ones who exterminated hundreds of millions of people all across this planet.

Yeah, those were not genocides, right?

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#6 Dec 3, 2007
Volga Bolgar wrote:
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I am a Volga Bolgar.
What is wrong with my people's history, will you tell?
After all, we are not the ones who exterminated hundreds of millions of people all across this planet.
Yeah, those were not genocides, right?
You are just a nutter obsessed with genocides.

Why don't you look into the Armenian genocide by the Turks instead of accusing other?

Double standards moron!!
Volga Bolgar

Turkey

#7 Dec 3, 2007
Robespierre wrote:
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You are just a nutter obsessed with genocides.

Why don't you look into the Armenian genocide by the Turks instead of accusing other?
Double standards moron!!
I like chasing rabbits like you. There is no accusation here as long as you could apply the standards stipulated in the UN Convention on Genocide .

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#8 Dec 3, 2007
Volga Bolgar wrote:
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I like chasing rabbits like you. There is no accusation here as long as you could apply the standards stipulated in the UN Convention on Genocide .
Which you don't !!
antonioj

Mississauga, Canada

#12 Dec 18, 2007
Totally agree Man good job and research
Volga Bolgar wrote:
"Haiti is poor because we have never had the opportunity to invest in our infrastructure," said Saint Vil, citing the use of Haitian labour and resources to enrich foreign powers, but not Haitians.
In 1825, France forced Haiti to "compensate" former slave and plantation owners that had been driven out of the country by the independence movement in return for access to international markets. To make the first payment, every school in Haiti was closed. Jean Bertrand Aristide had mounted a high-profile campaign to force France to pay back this money, which is now equivalent to $22 billion. "One of the first acts of that puppet government was to declare that France doesn't owe Haiti anything anymore," said Saint Vil.
http://www.haitiaction.net/News/DOJ/12_12_4/1...
joelim

UK

#13 Dec 19, 2007
Haiti is a cesspit.
Leela

Bobigny, France

#14 Jan 5, 2008
I thing an independant investigation is necessary. Truth must be known.
Cajun from Missoui

Lincoln, NE

#15 Jan 30, 2008
What!?! Please read our history. During the slave revolts, the French who did not flee to other islands and to the American South were ALL KILLED! They were killed because of their race/ethnicity. There is no doubt in my mind that genocide was committed in that country around that time, but you have somehow been misinformed and switched the two groups around.
It is especially sad to me when I see comments from people who actually are French (Leela from Bobginy)that demonstrate complete ignorance of our own peoples histories (the French in France and the French in America). It shows how there is little wonder why the pied-noir refugees from Algeria received such a poor reception from ignorant fellow Frenchmen.

“Et ades sera l'alba”

Since: Dec 06

Royan, France/Lawrence, KS

#16 Jan 30, 2008
Cajun from Missoui wrote:
What!?! Please read our history. During the slave revolts, the French who did not flee to other islands and to the American South were ALL KILLED! They were killed because of their race/ethnicity. There is no doubt in my mind that genocide was committed in that country around that time, but you have somehow been misinformed and switched the two groups around.
It is especially sad to me when I see comments from people who actually are French (Leela from Bobginy)that demonstrate complete ignorance of our own peoples histories (the French in France and the French in America). It shows how there is little wonder why the pied-noir refugees from Algeria received such a poor reception from ignorant fellow Frenchmen.
You make a good point...by the way, where in France is your family from?
Cajun from Missoui

Lincoln, NE

#17 Jan 30, 2008
Lhomme sans Leglise wrote:
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You make a good point...by the way, where in France is your family from?
Strange question. Mostly Vienne, I think. My French heritage is all on the Cajun side. It is difficult to say where the Cajuns came from because we're sort of a jumble of many different Francophone peoples: expelled Acadians, Haitian refugees, political refugees from France, et cetera. Even the Cajun dialect (which, being raised in the Midwest, is no longer spoken in my family) is distinct from what is spoken in France and often regarded as sub-French. Saying that my roots are in Louisiana would be more accurate. It'd be almost like asking someone who speaks Breton, where in the British Isles their family comes from -yeah they originally came from the British Isles, but they developed as a distinct people in Brittany.
Henry

Lincoln, NE

#18 Jan 30, 2008
Here's some FYI from various web sites-

" Haiti and the Massacre of the last Whites

With the surrender of the French, the Black rebel leader Dessalines immediately set about slaughtering those Whites unfortunate enough not to have left the island. San Domingo was renamed Haiti in December 1803 and declared a republic - the second in the Western Hemisphere after the United States of America and the first independent Black ruled nation in the Caribbean.

Having disposed of the Whites on the island, the Blacks and mixed race population then turned on each other in yet another race war, ending with the virtual annihilation of the mixed race peoples. In October 1804, Dessalines declared his people to be the winners and to mark the occasion, declared himself emperor for life of Haiti.

The same year, Dessalines issued an invitation to the Whites who had left the island, to return and help rebuild the economy, which had been utterly destroyed as a result of the thirteen years of race war. A surprisingly large number of Whites took up his offer, but soon discovered, to their cost, the nature of their error.

1805 : RENEWED Anti-White Uprising

Scarcely had the new year, 1805, begun when the Black population once again rose up against the Whites, although this time there was no reason to do so apart from sheer racial hatred. The handful of Whites appealed to the emperor, but he was powerless to control the mobs: Whites were slaughtered if they were found.

Finally on 18 March 1805, the very last White man, woman and child on Haiti was killed. The Black rebels had for the second time succeeded in killing or driving out every single White on the island."

"In 1805, Toussaintís successor in leading the rebellion, Jean-Jacque Dessalines, crowned himself Emperor of Haiti. A former field slave, he was reported to have ordered the mutilation of all remaining whites in the territory."

"Boisrond-Tonnerre, who stated, "For our declaration of independence, we should have the skin of a white man for parchment, his skull for an inkwell, his blood for ink, and a bayonet for a pen!" Accordingly, whites were slaughtered wholesale under the rule of Dessalines."
Captain A

Phoenix, AZ

#19 Jan 30, 2008
Only Haitians can blame themselves for their predicament today. Uncontrolled breeding and supreme corruption by their own people is causing their misery. The Haitians have destroyed their land and deforested their country in uncontrolled Eco destruction for profit. They are only halve of an Island and on the other halve is the Dominican Republic. They have not destroyed their forests and have a thriving agriculture base. Not perfect by any means but it shows that its the people and culture of Haiti that are the problem. The Dominicans have to patrol their borders to keep haitians from coming across the border and raiding their lands and forests. Billions of dollars and Euros have been dumped on the Island country with no results. One might conclude that the country is a microcosm of dark Africa. What Black African run country has ever been a success or even a minor one?

Since: Oct 07

Paris

#20 Feb 3, 2008
Tell me, captain, do you know how much technological progress depends on quantity of natural ressources and its access possobilities ?:)

Leaving people without ressources and in a tense situation after years of enslavement can make some people respondible, don't you think ?

As racist as always. I wonder where you find all this :)
tres fort

UK

#21 May 21, 2008
Canicheenrage has got it all wrong, and Captain A hits the nail right on the head, as he usually does.
Japan is a first-class example of a country with very limited natural resources, except for its highly intelligent and very industrious people, which has been a world-power to reckon with throughout this century.
As for Black Africa, well, how it has slipped back over the last forty years or so, since the colonial powers lost their nerve and gave up "The White Man's Burden". What a tragedy for all these countries, at the mercy of incompetent power-seekers who should never have been handed the responsibiltiy of government. Still, the leftist-liberal fraternity who are responsible for this mess - including for bringing the likes of Mugabe to power - can still feel good by contributing to these smug charities they love (such as Oxfam and War on Want) which love to throw aid at those countries, which never needed such hand-outs until they were ruled by the feckless, corrupt regimes which replaced responsible White government.
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Sydney, Australia

#22 Jan 27, 2010
haiti massacred 40,000 french down to the last woman and child.

screw them i say.
The Cold Hard Truth

Interlachen, FL

#23 Feb 3, 2010
Truth is blacks are the stupidest people on Earth. Even if you look at the one's untouched by slavery; (not the one's captured by their own people and sold into slavery) they haven't got a pot to piss in. Africa is the joke of the world, and everyone's afraid to say;" because it's black majority". Haiti sealed its fate 200 years ago. I say let them suffer the consequences.

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