rio

UK

#1 Jan 8, 2013
French journalist boycotts ‘English only’ EU conference in Dublin

http://beyond.blogs.france24.com/article/2013...

Since: Mar 12

Paris, France

#2 Jan 10, 2013
Well some organisations have official working languages. If everyone is to access information, it has to be available in all languages participants can expect.

For instance Europe has all documents translated in all member's languages, including Irish Gaelic, the Irish could have returned the courtesy there. Imagine if some eurocrat decided scraping Gaelic on the grounds that all Irish speak english anyway ...
rio

Beckenham, UK

#3 Jan 10, 2013
Yes, but the French feet stamping in these occasions is always comical.

I remember Chirac storming out of a multi-national meeting when a French businessman stated his speech in English!

- Why are you speaking English and not French?

- Because English is the language of business!

French officials tend to be very touchy about the French language.
IHAVEBALLS

Colorado Springs, CO

#4 Jan 13, 2013
rio wrote:
French journalist boycotts ‘English only’ EU conference in Dublin
http://beyond.blogs.france24.com/article/2013...
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Since: Mar 12

France

#5 Jan 14, 2013
rio wrote:
French officials tend to be very touchy about the French language.
Certainly, and there is more to it than individual temper. I worked some time for Nato, where the French delegation was rather vigilant on the presence of a French translator. If we don't keep an eye on it, nobody is going to respect our little privileges in international instances very long.

Like ecosystems, languages and cultures should be given a chance to live lest we should loose a great many concepts and outlook on life along the way. US series, even translated, distil their intrnsic puritanism and conservatism with them. For somebody who has lived in a freer atmosphree, it stings.
rio

UK

#6 Jan 15, 2013
Tigerrlily wrote:
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Certainly, and there is more to it than individual temper. I worked some time for Nato, where the French delegation was rather vigilant on the presence of a French translator. If we don't keep an eye on it, nobody is going to respect our little privileges in international instances very long.
Like ecosystems, languages and cultures should be given a chance to live lest we should loose a great many concepts and outlook on life along the way. US series, even translated, distil their intrnsic puritanism and conservatism with them. For somebody who has lived in a freer atmosphree, it stings.
But France has already accepted de facto the importance of Anglo-Saxon culture and the English language. After all French media (TV, radio, music) is dominated by Anglo-Saxon culture; you don't see any French programme on US, UK or Australian TV! Most films offered in France are from the US, etc...
So why not go all the way and accept English as second language instead of resisting it?
If English was given equal status to French in France, that would give French people many opportunities.
Some countries that I visited have already accepted that, and the majority of people are taught to speak English fluently: the Netherlands, Norway, etc... They welcome conversations in English instead of avoiding them.

Since: Mar 12

Paris, France

#7 Jan 15, 2013
rio wrote:
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But France has already accepted de facto the importance of Anglo-Saxon culture and the English language. After all French media (TV, radio, music) is dominated by Anglo-Saxon culture; you don't see any French programme on US, UK or Australian TV! Most films offered in France are from the US, etc...
So why not go all the way and accept English as second language instead of resisting it?
If English was given equal status to French in France, that would give French people many opportunities.
Some countries that I visited have already accepted that, and the majority of people are taught to speak English fluently: the Netherlands, Norway, etc... They welcome conversations in English instead of avoiding them.
English is widely and not too badly taught here (I am a pure product of the state school system), but I insist on keeping my own culture, notions etc. I am only advocating for a healthy cultural ecosystem with some variety in it.

My guess is that the world is going to learn a lot a Chinese & Spanish very soon. The days of anglo Saxon domination are over. And the interesting parts of the economy are already moving elsewhere as well.

Regarding cinema, French policies pay off, more cinemas, more independent productions than elsewhere.(Twice as many films produced as in Britain and five times as many cinemas for instance)
rio

Beckenham, UK

#8 Jan 15, 2013
Tigerrlily wrote:
<quoted text>
English is widely and not too badly taught here (I am a pure product of the state school system), but I insist on keeping my own culture, notions etc. I am only advocating for a healthy cultural ecosystem with some variety in it.
My guess is that the world is going to learn a lot a Chinese & Spanish very soon. The days of anglo Saxon domination are over. And the interesting parts of the economy are already moving elsewhere as well.
Regarding cinema, French policies pay off, more cinemas, more independent productions than elsewhere.(Twice as many films produced as in Britain and five times as many cinemas for instance)
Sure, English footprint could be reduced, but I cannot see Chinese replacing it. Not even the Chinese expect that! Learning Chinese takes years, and not many Chinese are completely fluent in Chinese.
For example, It takes the whole of primary school (6 years) for Chinese kids to learn elementary Chinese, and master the characters most used in conversaton (about 500, I am told). It is almost a full time task for kids, and other subjects (maths, history, geography, etc..) are hardly taught before 11, because children wouldn't be able to decipher the text books until then!

Chinese students often learn fluent English to university level before they can master Advanced Chinese (about 3000 characters), which only a few learn: it's another 6 years in Chinese school!

I know that for having been married to a Chinese! Chinese see learning English as a relief from Chinese, and welcome it very much in business, and trade. Most of the modern scientific and technical vocabulary doesn't exist in Chinese anyway and they have to borrow foreign words. The Chinese government has fully understood the problem, and foreign languages start to be taught to young children in schools.

Of all the Western languages, English is just the easiest to learn and the most widely spread too. I think it's a very modern language with very little grammar, which makes it popular. Even France has francisized many English words, not always elegantly I must say!
Alexandre

Athens, Greece

#9 Jan 15, 2013
rio wrote:
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But France has already accepted de facto the importance of Anglo-Saxon culture and the English language. After all French media (TV, radio, music) is dominated by Anglo-Saxon culture; you don't see any French programme on US, UK or Australian TV! Most films offered in France are from the US, etc...
So why not go all the way and accept English as second language instead of resisting it?
If English was given equal status to French in France, that would give French people many opportunities.
Some countries that I visited have already accepted that, and the majority of people are taught to speak English fluently: the Netherlands, Norway, etc... They welcome conversations in English instead of avoiding them.
Dominated by AMERICAN culture. Not English. Nobody watches East Enders in France. Jacked potatoes aren't very popular either.
It's not even true. Half of films played in cinemas in France are French. Don't get me wrong, I think most of them are garbage and I much prefer most American films. But it's annoying this sense of superiority the English have. Americans view you as Mr Bean and probably are more fascinated by France and Paris.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#10 Jan 15, 2013
Alexandre wrote:
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Half of films played in cinemas in France are French.
Of course, the cinemas are imposed a quota of French films they must view, the French cinema industry is heavily subsidised (like the rest of France), and the French actors are also paid high fees.

That came about following the Depardieu's sage. French actors are apparently partly paid by subsidies to the film productors in France, ragardless of their success at the box office.
Another example of French protectionism....

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